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Old 02-10-2012, 12:56 AM
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Hi all,

A couple of people have asked me about collecting in Australia. Many people have heard that all handguns are banned here and its almost impossible to own any firearm.

The truth is apart from a few adminsitrative differences all Australian states follow the same basic laws. Below are the laws in my state of Queensland.
  • You have to get a police check if you do not already have a longarms license.
  • You take the police letter saying you are a "Fit and Proper Person. to a pistol club.
  • To get a handgun license you have to be a member of an approved pistol club.
  • You have to do a minimum number of competition shoots a year (6 minimum)
  • You have to do a 6 month probationalry period in the club before you can be licensed and do 3 comp shoots in this period.
  • You can only shoot calibres up to .38 unless you have a special endorsement on your license.
  • You can only get the endorsement if you shoot competitions that require lager calibres (Metalic Silhouette, Cowboy Action, etc)
  • You can only own 1 c-fire or rimfire handgun in your first year of licenensing plus an airgun.
  • You have to complete a handgun safety course (1 day)

Thats what you need to do to get your FIRST handgun. The process takes a minimum of 6 months, plus the time it takes to get your ploice check. Then there is a manditory 28 day wait before your license application is processed. Then it can take a few weeks to get your actual license in the mail.

Once you have your license you an go get your first handgun. Some clubs insist you start with a .22 and work your way up but its not law.

To get a handgun onto your license you have to:
  • Find the gun.
  • You need a letter/form from your club that it is an appropriate firearm for a competition held by the club.
  • You need to fill out a 4 page application for what is called the "Permit to Acquire" which asks you to give a genuine reason for needing the gun and all the particulars of the gun and the disposer /seller.
  • You submit the PTA form, letter from your club and pay the $31.10 fee to the local Police station.
  • For your first gun there is another 28 day manditory wait before they will process your application.
  • It can take up to 3 months to get the application through although I just had one come through in 10 days!

Under our laws you can not own cetain handguns unless you have a security license or a collectors or dealers license. Thes rules are:
  • Revolvers with barrels shorter than 4" (100mm)
  • Semi autos with barrels shorter than 5" (120mm)
  • Hanguns (other than BP muzzel loaders or cap and ball) with calibres larger than .38
  • Any handgun with a magazine capacity of more than 10 shots.

I also have a "Collectors License". There are 2 types - pre1947 and post 1947. I have both.To ge this license you have to go through the same initial porcess (safety course, club etc). But also the following:
  • You have to be a member of a registered historical society or assn. (Like the SWCA)
  • You have to give a detailed explanation in writing of the "theme" you will be collecting to. My "Themes" are "S&W handguns and Colt handguns" & "MIlitary and service revolvers and pistols" ...pretty broad themes but it keeps the authorities happy.
  • If you try and collect a gun that does not fir your "theme" your PTA may be rejected.
  • For pre1947 handguns you need to submit in writing an explanation of why the gun is collectable and how it fits your theme.
  • For post 1947 handguns you have to do the same but also have a letter from you club saying that they agree the gun fits your theme.
  • ANY gun on your collectors license needs to be kep "temporarily inoperative" ie must have a trigger lock as a minimum at all times.
  • You are not allowed to shoot ANY gun on your collectors license apart from approved shoots organised by the collectors assn (currently only held twice a year)

To get my post 1947 license took me 3 years. I had to go therough all the porcesses I just layed out but it was worth it.

The laws here are restrictive but if you are a serious collector you will jum through the hoops. I think it was worthwhile as I have now built a nice little collection.

My collection currently consists of:
  • 1972 Model 27-2 (6" barrel) .357 mag
  • 1977 Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman (4" barrel) .357 Mag
  • 1959 Model 28 4 screw Highway Patrolman (6" barrel) .357 Mag
  • 1977 Model 29-2 Nickel Plated, presentation cased .44 mag (8 3/8" barrel)
  • 1981 Model 29-2 Nickel Plated 44 Mag (8 3/8" barrel)
  • 1994 Model 29-6 (6" barrel) .44 Magnum
  • 1978 Model 66-1 .357 mag (6" barrel)
  • 1966 Model 17-2 (K22) .22 Long Rifle
  • 1941 "Victory" US PROPERTY GHD marked .38 Special (4' barrel)
  • 1917 US Army Model .45 ACP (5" barrel) US PPOPERTY marked
  • 1960 Model 12 Airweight, flatlatch .38 Spec. (2" Barrel)
  • 1972 Model 59 (14 round mag)
  • 1849 Colt Pocket Pistol .31 cal
  • 1861 Colt Navy .36 cal
  • 1963 Colt Python (4" barrel)
  • 1965 Colt Python (6" barrel)
  • 1910 Browning (cased with original cleaning gear and paperwork)
  • 1851 Deane Adams & Deane .50 cal DAO cap and ball
  • 1858 Beaumont Adams .45 cal, double action cap and ball.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:15 AM
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Looks to me like you need to replace a bunch of the duds running your country also.

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MY LORD...

You have to have a COMMITTEE agree that your next planned acquisition fits someone else's idea of a suitable "Theme"?

Good God.

I see nothing in this summary that could be honestly described as "Crime Control". I see much that is obviously suppression of individual liberties.

Frankly, and forgive me, but I am shocked that shooters and gun owners would shrug this off as no big deal and jump through the hoops like trained animals.

Whatever happened to the gun culture in freedom loving, independent Australia?

Good luck brother and hold the line.... I hope things don't get any worse...

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Mike, I must say that's quite a nice grouping of guns you've acquired with all the hoops you've had to jump through. So can you shoot when you want at your gun club or just on certain occasions ?
Is there any sport hunting anymore there ? I'd be glad to sponsor you
if you want to come over here to live. JK JK


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MY LORD...

You have to have a COMMITTEE agree that your next planned acquisition fits someone else's idea of a suitable "Theme"?

Good God.

I see nothing in this summary that could be honestly described as "Crime Control". I see much that is obviously suppression of individual liberties.

Frankly, and forgive me, but I am shocked that shooters and gun owners would shrug this off as no big deal and jump through the hoops like trained animals.

Whatever happened to the gun culture in freedom loving, independent Australia?

Good luck brother and hold the line.... I hope things don't get any worse...

Drew
Cheers Drew,

Yeah we dont like it but the pro gun lobby is not big enough here in Australia to make much of a difference. Its easier to just play the game Im afraid...otherwise its "no guns for you"...lol
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Mike, I must say that's quite a nice grouping of guns you've acquired with all the hoops you've had to jump through. So can you shoot when you want at your gun club or just on certain occasions ?
Is there any sport hunting anymore there ? I'd be glad to sponsor you
if you want to come over here to live. JK JK


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Hey Chuck,

Thanks for that. I can shoot anything thats not on my collectors license (which is most of them). I have a good selection that I can shoot whenever the range is open and at any range in the state. I shoot regularly and have all the guns at my home in safes...its not that bad once you have actually "acquired" the gun.

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Glad you get to shoot and enjoy most of them Mike. As you said, at least you are getting to "play" the game. That's the important thing.


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North Qld here, drop us a line if there are things you are chasing, and I can keep a look out.

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Excellent! Thanks mate. Same here let me know if there is anytihg in particular you are looking for.. I may have some ideas where to find them.

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Mike,
I am chasing one thing, a 14-6 6inch K frame 38 with the full underlug barrel. If you see one in your travels PM me.

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I am chasing one thing, a 14-6 6inch K frame 38 with the full underlug barrel. If you see one in your travels PM me.

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No probs..I'll keep a look out
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very nice collection!! You have to shoot 6 matches ayear to get a pistol. I guess there is alot of good shooters in Australia then!I thought new jersey was bad!
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Here in Illinois, the Mayor of Chicago is "Recommending" a $65 registration fee for every handgun. How distant are we from Australia???
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It seems to me that there are few countries that are better configured for the use of guns. Huge open areas of outback etc. Very, very sad...
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I will never complain again about Title II "hoops". It is easier to get & shoot a belt-fed MG here than get a 3" bbl. .44 Magnum there.

Congrats on the fine collection.
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Mike, thanks for the information, quite interesting. Do you run into any problems with the 4" barrel rule as most 4" S&W's actually measure at 3 7/8"? We had a SWCA member from Australia who built an underground shooting range on his property and wonder if that is still allowed or are you required to shoot only at a club? Would it be possible for a club to organize an approved shoot for collector guns on a more regular basis such as weekly? Who must approve the shoots? At my club you may shoot any gun at any time but they do have CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) shoots most Saturdays to shoot Garands, M1 Carbines etc. which are considered collector guns by many. Good luck, you have certainly been persistent in building a fine collection despite the challenges!
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Great collection and THANKS for posting the ***ops' you have to jump through. HOPEFULLY readers here will realize freedoms CAN be taken away.
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Cheers Drew,

Yeah we dont like it but the pro gun lobby is not big enough here in Australia to make much of a difference. Its easier to just play the game Im afraid...otherwise its "no guns for you"...lol
After reading this thread it comes to mind how thankful we should all be for the strength of the NRA............anyone on this forum that complains about getting mailings or any of the other numerous "minor" things they complain about regarding the NRA "SHOULD BE REQUIRED" to read the list of things the Aussies have to do just to own a handgun.

If not for the efforts of the NRA and the grace of God, that would be our fate, too!!


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I'm truly sorry to hear about your predicament in Australia. I always had a warm spot in my heart for your country, and thought of it as sort of a last frontier. I can't imagine how you had your rights taken away from you like that. Is their no way to start a petition or something and get your rights back. That is so sad.

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Thanks S&W Aussie for sharing that perspective.

Out of curiosity were you around during the Port Arthur controversy, and how did the country progress from a society that welcomed firearms pre-incident to the current backward state it is today ?Perhaps you can share some lessons we can apply towards adressing certain retrograde areas in our own nation.
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It always amazes me how revealing some governments are. The first indication of pending problems seems to be the centralized governments distrust of an armed citizenry.

Criminality issues are the common rallying cry for those governments creating such restrictive firearms rules, but the reality is they fear their own citizens ability to fight back against a potentially repressive and restrictive government...

Aussies are a very strong, proud and independent people. If it can happen there it can certainly happen here. I have to wonder if a huge underground trade and market exists to effectively circumvent these repressive rules. I also have to wonder how simple day to day selling and trading can function among gun enthusiasts in Australia..

Can anyone imagine the uproar these laws and rules would create in the USA if our government attempted to impose them tomorrow?
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Thanks S&W Aussie for sharing that perspective.

Out of curiosity were you around during the Port Arthur controversy, and how did the country progress from a society that welcomed firearms pre-incident to the current backward state it is today ?Perhaps you can share some lessons we can apply towards adressing certain retrograde areas in our own nation.
Hi Sliver,

I certainly was around. The current laws are 100% driven by the "knee jerk" reaction by the Federal Government to what happened at Port Arthur. Until then we all had SKKs, L1A1s and Browning A5s..lol.

When I was 19 (I am 42 now) I remember going to a Gun Shop in George St ...one of the main streets right in the middle of the city and handing over my cash and walking out the door with a 12 guage shotgun for my father for Christmas. NO licensing, NO permits....the good old days. There was not increas in gun related crime prior to the law change...just the one horrible massacre at Port Arthur.

I had my handgun license at 18 when I was a member of the "Brisbane Area Army Pistol Club". The club was on our main military base in SEQ. Back then I could ride to the club on my motorbike with my gun in a backpack. Not now..lol.

I used to drive around town with a 3 rifle gun rack on the rear window of my ute (pickup)...cant have a rifle outside a safe now unless you are going to take it to a range, police station, gunsmith/dealer or a farm to shoot .

A report came out today that 1500 illegal firearms have been siezed by police Australia wide in the last 12 months....in a country of 21 million thats not bad..lol

The main difference is that here in Australia we do not have a bill of rights...firearm ownership is viewed as a privilege, not a right. This has only happened since the 1990s...as I said rifles and shotguns in Qld never required so much as a permit until Port Arthur.

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Mike, first off you have an impressive collection !
Have heard that in Australia you could own firearms but didn't fully know all the red tape you all have to go through to get them.
But at least you can own guns, thats on the good side.
In the states here in Indiana we are one of the first early states thats considered "Shall Carry". Once we register for our carry permits, pay the fees, we have our conceal carry permit within two to three weeks. My last permit I got was a lifetime. We don't have to take any gun courses. Once we buy a gun we can buy another gun or rifle after a 10 day period, authough can also buy multiple guns at once (authough its not recommended).
Luckly most of our states honor each others conceal carry permits.


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I always find it curious,that the two countries with the most wide open spaces,Australia and Canada,where folks should be able to go out and shoot to their heart's content,have such restrictive laws.
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mike...great collection!i surely hope somehow the plight there changes in a positive way
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My thanks and condolence to all of you inAustralia.I thought we had it bad in NewJersey!Australias firearm laws make njs look good!
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The Ausse's are know to be very good shooters. Too bad to here about the hoops you have to jump through. You have a very nice collecton. Keep shooting. God bless the USA. This should be a wake up call for all of us.
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I appreciate you sharing, so we can all understand just how precious our RIGHTS are. I never knew the extent of these regulations until now.

How absurd. I've always hoped to visit your beautiful country one day but...no offense...I would certainly not be moving there. Last weekend I drove an hour away to LEGALLY buy a handgun from another individual in a parking lot.
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Thats Even Worse than us here in Cannuckastan! What a bunch of ****! We are just staring to get rid of our long gun registry as they found out it is a colasal waist of time and money and serves no purpose! Now we have to start in on the unjust handgun laws! Once you start you drive'm to the fence's!

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God bless America. I surely am glad was born here.
I am also glad I left NJ and Wisconsin finally passed Act 35 giving Wisconsin's citizens a legal way to carry concealed.
back in 1970 I had dreamed of living in Australia and now my dream is for Australia to be free Hos much did George Soreos have to do with the restrictive laws there?
I am glad there is some way for the folks to shoot and own guns.
Is there a way to carry them?
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WOW...I am amazed at the response to this post!

I'm glad it has given some of you guys a renewed appreciation for your freedoms and rights.

Australia is an awesome country. We all feel very safe and lucky to be here...its just the gun laws are a royal pain in the rear!..lol

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Looks like another beautiful country I wont be moving to...
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Wow, I'm thankful to live in MA after reading this thread!

The problem with MA is the different towns have different attitudes towards gun ownership. I've never lived in a large town or city and all my Police Chiefs have been gun friendly. I've had my unrestricted License to Carry since I was 18. you have to be 21 now that they changed the laws.

As long as my "assault" weapons and full-capacity magazines were made on or before 9/13/94, I can own them. I can own any handgun made on or before 10/21/98. I can own any handgun made after that, too, that's not considered an "assault weapon", but you have to take advantage of some loopholes in the law in order to get something that's not considered MA "compliant".

Do you want a machinegun? Sure, we can have them in MA. Overall, MA is NFA friendly (other than supressors).

I can honestly say that there's nothing out there that I want that I don't own here in MA. It still sucks here, but living in W. MA isn't as bad as some make it sound. 5 gun clubs in my immediate area, I have my Class A LTC and have boxes of pre-ban magazines for every gun I own.

I'm sorry to hear about all the hoops you have to jump through in Australia, but at least you do have a respectable collection that you enjoy. Keep up the fight.
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What happens with a person's gun(s) when they can no longer participate in 6 matches a year due to age, medical condition, work obligations, etc?

I also wondered what the market was like for guns there? Expensive because of limited availability or not so much due to fewer buyers willing to do what it takes to buy a gun?

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What happens with a person's gun(s) when they can no longer participate in 6 matches a year due to age, medical condition, work obligations, etc?

I also wondered what the market was like for guns there? Expensive because of limited availability or not so much due to fewer buyers willing to do what it takes to buy a gun?

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If you can't meet your shoot obligations you have to hand in your license and sell your guns. The only way to keep them is to qualify for a collectors license and then prove that the guns are "collectable". ...if you had a safe full of beautiful S&W classics that wouldnt be much of a problem but if you have a crappy Glock 17 and a couple of Taurus revolvers I am pretty certain the police would just laugh at your application for a collectors...lol. (so would I)

Modern guns are not hard to find here but good examples of pre 1970s guns are near impossible to find here. I have seen a total of less than a dozen guns come up for sale with diamond grips, S or K serials, or any more than 3 screws in the lasrt 3 years that I have been seriously collecting. I have also seen a total of 6 nickel guns (3 of which I bought).

There are a lot of mod 10s (old police issue 3" SB) for a couple of hundred but you can only have them on a collectors or security license due to the barrel length. I have seen a few 29s (about a dozen of which I bought 3), 3 model 27's, about a dozen 28's, about 3 Model 17s, a couple of model 57's and about a hundred, well used 14s & 19s that have usually been butchered with slab barrels and no trigger spur

I could buy any number of 686/586...but I dont see them as collectable.

I have seen 1 model 15 and 1 model 18 for sale & 2 Triple Locks.

I also buy pretty much any pre 70's Python that comes up (seen about 8 purchased 2)...the 2 I have were 2 of only 3 pre 70s I have seen come up.

I am sure there are more guns around for sale but not heaps of other models. I have NEVER seen a 58, 24, RM, Heavy Duty or 16 come up for sale...

Australia has a population of only 20 million...Long Island has 8 million alone so we dont have a lot of guns here to choose from..lol. In 1965 there were only 11 milion people here.

I guess its all relative

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Mike,
You are an inspiration from a collectors perspective.. hard at it against bad odds. But man does it make me nervous to know that Australia was as free with it's gun laws as the USA is now not more than 20 years ago..
It makes me really appreciate the NRA.

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Hey Aussie, I live in Germany, and it's restrictive as well, but not as bad as all that. However, when it comes to handguns it's still pretty harsh, if you have a hunting license, you can own two handguns. If you have a sport shooting license, you can own two. I won't go into all the time, pain and money to get those licenses, but it's a lot of all of those. I have both and am maxed out at four handguns. Rifles/shotguns aren't too much of a problem, but you can only own three semi-autos. There is no such thing as a weapon for self-defense, you cannot have that "need" to own a firearm of any kind here. However, if you do own firearms, you can defend yourself but only in special circumstances.
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Interesting thread, should make us all greatful for what we have and help us understand the liberties some would take from us given the chance.
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Thanks for posting all of this information. I am as amazed as others on this forum in how difficult firearm ownership is outside our borders. I'm glad that you and your mates continue to do whatever you have to do to assemble and enjoy a collection. Keep the faith and if you ever make a visit to our country, let us know on the forum. I'm sure there are forum members in every state who would be happy to share their treasures with you at their respective ranges/clubs. I've got a sack full of N-frames that you can enjoy if you ever visit Massachusetts.
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Lest we forget (In the US of A) our 2nd amendment is not for collecting, shooting hobbies or duck hunting. It's to protect us from the bad guys, which from our founding Fathers' viewpoint, may be the government.
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Mike, Thanks a lot for the information. No doubt about it, you are a "dyed in the wool" gun person. I can't imagine having to go through all the red tape and expense just to own a firearm. I admire your tenacity and desire to pursue your sport. Man, you definitely have "passion" for guns.

One quick question, has all the restrictions on gun ownership had any effect at lowering crime in your nation?
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Hello, I've just found this thread and although it's a couple of weeks old I'd like to comment.

First of all, thank you very much, Aussie, for the comprehensive description of the gun law in your country. It looks similar to the situation in some European countries. I knew about your caliber and magazine capacity restrictions .38/9mm and 10 rounds respectively) because I read somewhere that your IPSC shooters are now "handicapped" in international competitions.

Some months ago, after buying a PP and a PPK, I posted in the Walther forum some information about the situation in Europe and more specifically in Belgium. Considering that I own four S&W revolvers (2 inches 36, 3 inches 36, 4 inches 15 and 4 inches 19) I think I can reproduce that text here, with only some minor editing and a few addition. I understand that some readers will consider that European gun owners, including myself, are far too soft but before making harsh comments please bear in mind that the political situation in this continent is hardly comparable to the one in the US.

The European Union (EU) is a political structure similar to a federal government. EU laws on firearms are reasonable, at least in the political context of this part of the world. In a nutshell, under the relevant EU Directive (a Directive being probably similar to a US Federal Law), EU countries must ensure that a permit is required for the majority of handguns and semiautomatic long arms and must at least register other modern firearms (mainly non-semiautomatic rifles and shotguns). EU countries may, however, introduce more restrictive legislation, which is often the case, for instance by requiring a permit for all firearms or banning a certain types. The EU Directive does not lay down rules concerning carrying. It however facilitates considerably trade in firearms between EU countries. It also provides for a useful document called European firearms pass that enables mainly hunters and sport-shooters to transport their firearms across national borders (the UK being a sad exception).

The Czech Republic is probably the only EU country with a “shall issue” policy for concealed carry permits. The most common situation in the other countries is either a blanket ban on carrying or a very restrictive policy.

Until 2006, gun laws in Belgium were quite liberal, some people owned handguns just for home protection and it was difficult but not impossible to obtain a carry permit. In 2006, in the aftermath of a hideous racist murder committed with a legally-acquired rifle, a new firearms Act was passed. Under the new legislation, self-defense is still, at least in theory, a valid ground to own firearms but the authorities make a very narrow interpretation of the law and in fact I don’t know anybody who uses that ground when applying for a license. Some of the cops in my shooting club carry when they are off duty but they need to obtain a prior authorization from their superiors. Most law-abiding people over here use sport shooting, hunting and/or collecting as valid reasons to acquire firearms. As you can imagine, criminals don’t care much about the law. The general situation for legal gun owners in Belgium is still better than in other countries. For instance, there is no limitation here on the number of firearms that can be owned, although once you go beyond thirty the storage conditions are very strict.

I understand that some Americans think that even Czech laws are too restrictive but in my opinion there’s some misleading information in the US about the situation in Europe. We have, of course, many more restrictions (mostly unnecessary and ineffective) than you do in the US and I’ll always fight them but, contrary to what I sometimes read in US forums and gun magazines, the average country here is not like the UK, which, by the way, is the exception, not the norm in Europe. In many Western/Central European countries, law-abiding citizens can have a wide range of firearms (including handguns) for sport-shooting, hunting and collecting purposes and, in some exceptional cases, for self-defense. The red tape involved, like joining a shooting club or passing a hunting exam, can be a deterrent for some people but I think the majority of the readers of this forum would go through it to be able to buy and use firearms. I’m definitely not praising the European gun laws – I’m just trying to give some information.

I wish we had something like the 2nd amendment in Europe. Here politicians can change firearms legislation without consideration for any constitutional right.
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Hey again.. after a couple of people asked I thought I would bump this post up again. Nothing much has changed in the last few years. The laws are still as restrictive but at least have not got worse!

The guns through my collection have been updated bellow:

• 1972 Model 27-2 (6" barrel) .357 mag
• 1977 Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman (4" barrel) .357 Mag
• 1959 Model 28 4 screw Highway Patrolman (6" barrel) .357 Mag
• 1977 Model 29-2 Nickel Plated, presentation cased .44 mag (8 3/8" barrel)
• 1981 Model 29-2 Nickel Plated 44 Mag (8 3/8" barrel)
• 1994 Model 29-6 (6" barrel) .44 Magnum
• 1978 Model 66-1 .357 mag (6" barrel)
• 1966 Model 17-2 (K22) .22 Long Rifle
• 1941 "Victory" US PROPERTY GHD marked .38 Special (4' barrel)
• 1917 US Army Model .45 ACP (5" barrel) US PPOPERTY marked
• 1916 Second Model HE .455 (Australian Military Marked)
• 1960 Model 12 Airweight, flatlatch .38 Spec. (2" Barrel)
• 1972 Model 59 (14 round mag)
• 1991 Model 4006 .40 S&W
• 1849 Colt Pocket Pistol .31 cal
• 1861 Colt Navy .36 cal
• 1963 Colt Python (4" barrel)
• 1965 Colt Python (6" barrel)
• H&K USP Expert 9mm
• Sig Sauer (Euro) P220 .45 ACP
• 1910 Browning (cased with original cleaning gear and paperwork)
• 1851 Deane Adams & Deane .50 cal DAO cap and ball
• 1858 Beaumont Adams .45 cal, double action cap and ball.
• 1858 Remington New Army .44
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Sir you a a devoted collector. I wonder how many of us would be willing to put up with the bureaucracy involved or just give up the hobby.
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What type of restrictions are there on forming a gun club. In other words, could you form a S&W Collectors club on your own land, build a range and shoot any time you want? Nice collections and thanks for sharing!

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Aussie, one of the reasons I moved from Illinois to Indiana was so I would not have to deal with the gun restrictions there.

It feels good every day to no longer be in Illinois. Food for thought, you're only 42.
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We need to see a photo of those little beauties, mate!

I lived in Oz for a year ... great country (apart from the stringent gun laws). Used to go out to Kooralbyn and dodge the kangaroos on the golf course.

Have a Four X beer for me!
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In Australia are you allowed to buy outside of the country?
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Very nice collection. Well done.
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That I exactly what the antis are counting on. I know several Canadians who have given up owning handguns because of the bureaucracy involved in buying, selling, shipping, transport, etc.

However, when our abortive Long Gun Registry was in effect, tens of thousands said - "To hell with that!" and became instant "criminals".
The LGR was allegedly destroyed but there is evidence that the rcmp (note the lack of capitalization) has not destroyed the data bank.

Currently, AR15s are "restricted" which means they require registration like handguns. They can only be shot on an "approved range" and must be transported in a lockable case with trigger lock installed.

There is a version of the Blazer .22LR semi-auto pistol that resembles the AK-47. It is "prohibited" because it looks too much like it's CF big brother.

Ruger 10/22 after market magazines that hold 25 rds are similarly "prohibited devices" because they can fit the Ruger Challenger 10/22 pistol. Penalty for owning a "prohibited device" is 10 years.

All those souvenir Lugers, P-38s, Mauser Hsc's, Walther PPK/PPs, etc. are "prohibited" which is ironic as they are the weapons of an autocratic state we defeated in a war against tyranny.
Handguns in .25 ACP, .32 S&W and .32 ACP are likewise "prohibs'' as are handguns with barrels 4" or less. Makers like S&W, Ruger and others are making "Canadian" versions with barrels just over 4" which are classified as "restricted", not "prohibs".

Gun laws in general do not make sense not are they intended to do so. The "Prime Directive" is civil disarmament, one citizen, one gun, one calibre, one barrel length at a time.

America - we all envy your 2nd amendment and sincerely hope that you are ready to fight to retain it - unchanged!

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