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Old 04-09-2012, 06:00 PM
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Yeah, 20 years ago. I guess you think Ford still makes the Pinto. Your post is absolutely not relevant to today's guns.
I'm getting accused of my post not being "relevant to today's guns"? Huh, I thought I was in the 1961-1980 forum

Listen, I love S&W's but they are not perfect. I am willing to admit that, although it sounds like you aren't.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:22 PM
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I'm getting accused of my post not being "relevant to today's guns"? Huh, I thought I was in the 1961-1980 forum

Listen, I love S&W's but they are not perfect. I am willing to admit that, although it sounds like you aren't.
No S&W has issues, like any product. I'd agree with you 100% that new gun's triggers are not as good as the old ones etc. I also realize some people like Colt etc better, which is cool as well. What I do not like is hype driven, statistically insignificant statements. Remember the Toyota fiasco a couple of years ago, it turned out 11 of those "events" were legitimate and of those 5-6 driver error played a part. So essentially having a problem was about as likely as winning the Cash 5 etc. Yet, "everybody" knows Toyota's have mechanical issues, despite the fact years of industry studies prove the exact opposite.

Your initial statement implied something that was not true for a vast majority of owners, yes a few experienced an issue, but not many and certainly not enough to validate the myths.

I'd even agree if you intend to shoot nothing but the heaviest loads in large numbers, Ruger is a sturdier gun, that however, does not mean the 19 is not the perfect gun for the time/use it was designed for. Make sense?
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:34 PM
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It is not urban myth. I sent a couple of my K frame magnums in to S&W for some work, and everytime i did it, the gunsmith would emphatically tell me not to shoot .357 in a K frame, and if i insisted on it, to only shoot 158 grain and do so sparingly. The K's were designed to be carried with .357's, but not shot as often with them. Bill Jordan even advised against shooting many .357 in them. Now some people will say they have 20,000 .357 down the pipe, and others will say they split a forcing cone very early on. There have been several threads on here where members have told of splitting forcing cones.

If S&W was so sure of the k frame magnums, why'd they stop making them? They still churn out K frame .38's, so why not give shooters the choice?
Responding, but not directly at you ........

The reason is clear in this forum. People exceed the design specs of something and then act shocked when a product fails. It's not the product, it's the user.

I said a second ago, if someone's deal is I've got to fire 300 125gr .357's regularly they should buy a Ruger. If you want a non-anchor weight carry/combat piece, buy a 19.

Smith I suspect, quit making the K frame .357 because they got tired of hearing the whining from those can't read or follow directions in the owner's manual.

The 19 is an almost perfect gun for carry and moderate practice sessions, it's design was not for a heavy duty/heavy use range gun, failure to realize this does not make the 19 a bad gun, it makes those who did not bother to understand it's role the problem, not the gun.
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:48 PM
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I'll never understand how some can let an internet forum ruffle their feathers...

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I'd like to see a lot more threads that don't speak highly of the K-frame .357 Magnums.
There seems to be quite the demand for them and with a bad rep, I may be able to afford to get some more.
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:17 PM
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As sometimes happens, this thread has wondered off the OP's statement. The OP stated he had traded his model 19 to a gun shop for a Ruger Blackhawk 44 magnum 6.5 barrel and gave the shop $100. And then he proceeded to bash the model 19 because it was a "weak" revolver compared to the Blackhawk.
To me the OP was comparing apples to oranges. Does not make sense period. The two revolvers are vastly different and should not be compared to each other.
The model 19 is one of the best if not the best all around shooting revolver S&W or any gun maker has made. The 19 balances well, weights just enough to handle most rounds and can be carried without any problems. Try lugging around a Blackhawk all day long. I have! Also the model 19 has what I consider the best out of the box double action trigger in a 357 magnum. Sure the model 19 will wear out sooner if one shoots hundreds of 125 gr "flame throwers" or someone gets crazy with his reloads. But most people will never split a forcing cone or shoot a model 19 loose in his or her lifetime. And as far as comparing strength. The model 19 is built on a medium frame. The Blackhawk that our OP bought is built on a large 44 magnum frame. A better comparsion would be a model 29 versus the Blackhawk. And that is not a fair comparsion either because a single action revolver is stronger than most double action revolvers because of its design.
In my opinion the OP should of stated that he traded a model 19 and cash for a Blackhawk and let it go at that.
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:37 PM
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A Ruger is the "Glock" of the revolver world. They shoot good but are ugly.. S&W revolvers shoot good and look good doing it
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:52 AM
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Well Harrison, are you going to tell us where you traded off the 19? There will be a bunch of us (me too) trying to contact that LGS for that gun.
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Seems to me you traded down ,but if you are happy run with it. next time keep the Smith and just buy the Ruger.
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