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Model 29-58, A "Gripping" Story
This 44 Magnum (stamped MOD. 29 in the yoke cut) was one of three made in 1974. It incorporated a frame from a Model 58 and a barrel from from a Model 29-2. These custom revolvers also feature a thinned trigger guard, fixed sights, 3 1/4-inch barrel, target hammer, combat trigger, and a custom round butt (standard round butt stocks will not fit the frame). The label on the end of the box is marked 29-58 for the model number.
Since purchasing this revolver many years ago I have carried it on horseback hunts into several wilderness areas of Montana. It is a great gun to carry, but the small stocks made it very unpleasant to shoot when using factory 44 Magnum loads.
I contacted Keith Brown and he said making a pair of combat style stocks should be fairly easy if I sent him the stocks that were made for the custom frame. I sent them to him and asked for a pair of stocks made of zebrawood. The result is shown in the photo below. I haven't taken the gun to the range, but will soon and I know it will be much more pleasant to shoot. Thanks Keith!!!
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Very nice! I like the color particularly. Be interested to hear your thoughts on how they handle the recoil.
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What a neat gun!
I love it and the grips.
Bill, you may have come up with the ULTIMATE deep cover bear gun.
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Great lookin' gun.
I gotta say thanks for nuthin' though. I always wanted to customize my Model 58 into something similar to what you have. I din't and don't want a .44, just a mini .41. I have managed to keep my senses about me until you posted that gun.
I have a lot of sentimental value for my old beast the way it is, and I just can't chop on it. We made it through some serious social encounters and I have to respect that. Kinda like gittin' use to a wife I guess.
Seein' that good lookin' gun you've got has got the juices flowin' agin. I guess I better start lookin' for a doggy old 58 and see what I can do.
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Beautiful gun and awesome grips. How do you carry the gun, sure doesn't look like it's spent much time in a holster!
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I wish S&W had made those as a regular production offering. I've never understood the need to put adjustable sights on EVERYTHING.
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DGT...Suede lined holster by El Paso Saddlery. Virtually no wear on the finish.
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That is one fine piece of hardware there, Doc. I agree with Jack Flash, no need for adjustable sights on everything.
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I wish S&W had made those as a regular production offering. I've never understood the need to put adjustable sights on EVERYTHING.
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I was always wondering why they kind of broke form and made the 58 with fixed sights. The 58 is to my knowledge in .41 mag what the model 28 was to .357 mag. The 28 has adjustable sights. 58 is one of the few N frames in adjustable sights.
At any rate, this is an interesting gun, I wonder how many other of these one off's exist. Really strange they made only 3.
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Great looking gun and wood. I am interested to know how those stocks feel when shooting as compared to the factory N frame combats.
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That is a great looking gun with great looking stocks. Also a great photograph. That has to be be a great back woods packing gun.
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Bill....Now you have made it really difficult for me to pry that 44 from your grip! It is even more beautiful with the new grips. Take care......Louis
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I was always wondering why they kind of broke form and made the 58 with fixed sights. The 58 is to my knowledge in .41 mag what the model 28 was to .357 mag. The 28 has adjustable sights. 58 is one of the few N frames in fixed sights...
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I've wondered that myself, ie, why didn't they make the "cheapie version" of the M27, namely the M28, with fixed sights?
Or if there was a big demand from law enforcement for adjustable sights, why wasn't the M58 so equipped?
The logic is hard to follow.
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What was the incentive to make these? They are quite unusual, and only 3 tells me that someone with serious pull was able to get them made. I have had a few ideas for some fun things from the PC, but I think they won't do such things now.
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Wow! That is a great looking 29! I have to say Doc, I always look forward to your posts because not only do I get to see some beautiful revolvers, I also get the history behind the firearm.
Thank you for feeding my eyes as well as my mind.
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Very cool gun, nice concept - is the location of all three guns know?
I own but one lonely 44 and it is a 6 1/2 inch version (629PP) - I'm interested to hear how you think the grips change "perceived" recoil.
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because...
the 58 was for police. Police departments went with fixed sights. Just look at the all the pre-model guns, the 10, the 13, all military and police. The Air Force did go with some 15's I think as they had adjustable sights and later on P.D.'s went with the 19,also adjustable. Just one think less for the operator to deal with.
But that is one nice looking 29-58. Like the red ramp and the deep blueing.
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The location of each of the three guns is known. The revolvers were made for Dick Marble of American Firearms Warehouse, Wareham, MA. He had connections in S&W's manufacturing plant and had many special S&W revolvers made.
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"standard round butt stocks will not fit the frame..."
Do you have a pic of what was original to the revolver?
Was the "custom round butt" stocks made from N frame combats?
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That is a beautiful piece! The KB stocks are knockouts.
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I'm impressed! What kind of load is it regulated for?
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That one rates pretty darn high on the COOL factor, Bill. Gorgeous gun, grips & leather! Thanks,
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Not a fan of the stock S&W combat finger groove stocks - because the grooves are not where my fingers are. But those stocks, and I am assuming they were custom made to match your hand, should handle as well as they look for you. I had Keith make these to replace the S&W combats that came on my 24-3.
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Photo of the revolver with its original stocks.
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Now that is one cool gun. Thanks for the show and tell.
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One of three and you are carrying it and shooting it?
Love it.
Add this variation to the 5" tapered barrel model that I wish S&W had put in the catalog.
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The HP/M28 was brought out for users, including LE, who desired a .357 magnum but could not afford the pre-27/27 of the time. Not a lot of LE agencies were supportive of the .357, so most who carried it were carrying their own, and the price made a difference. (I read a lot of the strings about the HD/M20, and there were a lot of agencies that issued it, or so it seems.) (And remember that training at the time was PRIMITIVE, so shooting a full house magnum in social encounters was much more difficult.) The M58 was a purpose built model trying to address the lame performance of the .38 without the blast of a full house hunting load, and the goal was to sell it to the LE agencies for use with the SWC. If the better training that started in the 80s had been around in the post WW2 era, and cops had carried the SWC in a decent .38 load, it is possible that revolvers would be more common in cop holsters today.
Being a smarty pants, I qualified with the hunting load in my M58, under a covered firing point. I was referred to by many profane terms during that process. Fixed sights made a lot of sense, but I find those on a revolver hard to see well enough in a hurry. My M58 has a fiber optic rod now and has had the rear trough opened up - it's almost like an XS sight in that if I get the front in my view and put on the center mass area, the target is toast.
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Aloha,
Doug M, can you tell me who did your sight work?
Something I have wanted to do on my M-58 for along time.
Would you hapen to have any photos to share?
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the 58 was for police. Police departments went with fixed sights. Just look at the all the pre-model guns, the 10, the 13, all military and police. The Air Force did go with some 15's I think as they had adjustable sights and later on P.D.'s went with the 19,also adjustable. Just one think less for the operator to deal with.
But that is one nice looking 29-58. Like the red ramp and the deep blueing.
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But so was the model 28 ......And they are adjustable...
Beautiful Revolver Doc.
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I do not know why back in the day, that S&W did not offer that fixed sighted 44 Mag as a stndard catalog item...
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Probably because the knowledge and training of the time was such that the .44 magnum was not carried very often, at least not be anyone who was not an outdoorsman. YogiBear, the work was done by a guy whose contact info I have elsewhere. I'll see if I can find it. It was also hard chromed. I'll try to post a pic or two later today.
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I think that 29-58 loaded with some .44 mag -P (or .44 special +P if you prefer) with good JHP bullets would be perfect for just about any social encounter with either a 2 legged or 4 legged foe.
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Doc44 ever since I viewed that pistol on several older post I've thought about what it would take to trade you out of it. What a beauty, the new grips are killer and should make it a bit more manageable. I have a model 58 that has been nickeled from a blued version and is perty ugly now, flaking and such. I am about to send it off to Smith to have it revamped. Carry port with a dove tailed front sight and round butted and refinished. Would love to have it as a 44 to go along with my vintage Ruger carbine but will settle for the 41 mag as it is. Of course you will probably keep the origional grips but if they would be up for sale sure could use them on my 625-2 3inch. Great looking gun the 29-58 Thanks for your post.
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Great lookin' gun.
I gotta say thanks for nuthin' though. I always wanted to customize my Model 58 into something similar to what you have. I din't and don't want a .44, just a mini .41. I have managed to keep my senses about me until you posted that gun.
I have a lot of sentimental value for my old beast the way it is, and I just can't chop on it. We made it through some serious social encounters and I have to respect that. Kinda like gittin' use to a wife I guess.
Seein' that good lookin' gun you've got has got the juices flowin' agin. I guess I better start lookin' for a doggy old 58 and see what I can do.
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Glad you came to your right mind and am keeping your 58 intact Iggy. Remember reading your original post on the man stopper. Had to go out and get a second one after reading your story. It's loaded with 6 rounds and ready to go if someone ever makes it past my alarm system and 110 lb. American Bulldog. Thought them howling Wyoming winds may have entered and exited your ears, creating permanent bain damage !
Doc, That is one SUPER cool revolver! Never seen one before and probably never will except on here. Congrats!
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That revolver is awesome!
1 of 3. I can only imagine what that would cost. Wanna trade for a pre-27 that has the wrong barrel? BTW, thanks for your help with it.
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Having seen this gun in person (prior to the KB stocks) I can verify it is my idea of an ideal carry 44...I can only imagine what the KB's add to it
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I have a 58 nickel with some flaking and a little erosion in the bore. Found a 44 mag nickel bbl, and have a very talented friend who is going to take it the 44 route. I considered doing the round butt thing, but have not talked to him yet. He has some health issues he is dealing with, so maybe a while before it is done.
Patience, patience.
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Hi There, I was just going through some posts. Dick Marble is my father. I mentioned to him that people were writing about him and American Arms on the internet, and he was surprised. Just thought I'd chime in here...
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Not a fan of the stock S&W combat finger groove stocks - because the grooves are not where my fingers are. But those stocks, and I am assuming they were custom made to match your hand, should handle as well as they look for you. I had Keith make these to replace the S&W combats that came on my 24-3.
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Robin...Your father had a lot of neat guns made for him and they generate a lot of discussion when one turns up.
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I bet that thing was ... unpleasant to shoot with full power loads and the original stocks.
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Ok, that 29-58 is just sweet.
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***Robin...Your father had a lot of neat guns made for him and they generate a lot of discussion when one turns up.
Bill***
Thanks, Bill! My father had many, many guns--that's for sure. He also has a eye for detail and a mind for the unusual. he has had some unique guns over the years. Once he had a gun that looked like it once belonged to one of those famous guys from the old West (cannot remember who, I'll have to ask him). He even had a journal that went with it. Of all things, guns seem to hold onto history better than just about any other kind of item one would keep. Glad to be here!
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Absolutely beautiful revolver, grips, and Tom Threepersons style holster! Can I say THREE thumbs ups?!
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I was always wondering why they kind of broke form and made the 58 with fixed sights. The 58 is to my knowledge in .41 mag what the model 28 was to .357 mag. The 28 has adjustable sights. 58 is one of the few N frames in adjustable sights.
At any rate, this is an interesting gun, I wonder how many other of these one off's exist. Really strange they made only 3.
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The Model 58 is a Military & Police revolver, so a better analogy is that it is what the Model 10 Military & Police is to the .38 Special.
I believe the M58 is the only M&P revolver ever made by Smith & Wesson before the current line of Military & Police revolvers was created.
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Exactly!
When I was a member of the New Jersey Highway Patrol (before its merger with the New Jersey State Police in 1979), I carried a 4" Highway Patrolman while off-duty during the winter months.
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Great lookin' gun.
I gotta say thanks for nuthin' though. I always wanted to customize my Model 58 into something similar to what you have. I din't and don't want a .44, just a mini .41. I have managed to keep my senses about me until you posted that gun.
I have a lot of sentimental value for my old beast the way it is, and I just can't chop on it. We made it through some serious social encounters and I have to respect that. Kinda like gittin' use to a wife I guess.
Seein' that good lookin' gun you've got has got the juices flowin' agin. I guess I better start lookin' for a doggy old 58 and see what I can do.
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NICE gun Doc...just the wrong caliber.... ;-)
Like IGGY said, a round butt 3" 58 would be like having a Model 13 3" RB on steroids. I have a 58 that this could be done to it is just finding the right smith to do the round butt correctly.
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