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Old 04-17-2012, 09:12 AM
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On some of the Model 19 posts I've been browsing, I've read people mentioning that theirs is a "4-screw" or other. What does this mean?
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Instead of the more modern 3 screws in the side plate there would be one up top. There is also a 5 screw on even older models with even another screw at the front of the trigger guard. Then you can even have buddy screws... Get a copy of the SCSW it is an excellent reference and will lead you to buy even more Smith's you did not know you wanted.

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FR has it correct. For the model 19 and other medium frames, the 4-screw was from about 1957 to '61. Since these were made in smaller numbers earlier in the production run they are more desirable to collectors.
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M19 4 screw shipped 2-1960 to Williams Gun Sight Co. bought at last summers Reno show. One of the standouts in my meager collection. Big Larry

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Prior to 1956, K and N (large) frame revolvers had a 5-screw frame. There were four screws in the side plate (the upper side plate screw was larger than the other three) and a cylinder stop plunger screw in front of the trigger guard. On September 7, 1955, S&W authorized the deletion of the upper side plate screw for K-frame revolvers (a year later for N-frame revolvers). The Combat Magnum (later the Model 19) was put into production in late 1955 and was the first model to be made with the 4-screw frame (i.e. three screws in the side plate and the cylinder stop plunger screw in front of the trigger guard). On November 28, 1961, S&W improved the cylinder stop that resulted in the deletion of the cylinder stop plunger screw. By 1962, revolvers with a 3-screw frame (i.e. three screws in the side plate) were being shipped.

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So Bill, my 357 mag. 5 screw # S 163827, no XXX's, shipped 3-1957 is one of the last 5 screw 357's? Thanks, Big Larry
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Big Larry...5-screw and 4-screw revolvers were shipped concurrently through the first six months or so of 1957. After that, most were 4-screw revolvers with a few 5-screws being shipped (some models that were slow movers like the 1950 Target 45 and 38/44 Outdoorsman continued to be shipped with a 5-screw frame until around 1960). The earliest 4-screws were shipped in February/March 1957 and had a serial number in the S167400 range.

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So, it would appear that my 5 screw pre M27 is one of the last. I have two 4 screw Pre M14's shipped 1-57 and 2-57. Big Larry
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Great pic! Thank you. Very helpful. Is this also what it means when something is described as 4-pinned?
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