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Old 05-13-2012, 01:19 PM
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A friend showed me what he said was a S&W Model 17 with a 8 3/8inch barrel in 22 LR.

He said that it had some issues (case splits, fairly inaccurate, etc) and asked if I could take a look at it.

Well, what he actually has is a S&W 48-4 with a 8 3/8 inch barrel. He only had one cylinder with it and I confirmed that it was a 22 Magnum. Some holster wear on the sides of the barrel, 85% finish beautiful blued remaining, a bit of pitting here and there, but in mechanically good shape.

Looks like it left the factory in 1977.

He said that I could have it, it just isn't the type of gun he likes (high speed, low drag type of guy). I guess I better get him a case of 9mm ammunition for his Glock 19? Or maybe two cases? I have no ideal as to the value of this revolver and want to get him something for it.

Any suggestions as to the brand/type of 22 magnum ammunition to shoot from it?

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.22 Mags are like most rimfires , finicky. For many years , there was just Winchester , Federal and CCI. Remington now make MRF ammo , and I think there's a few imports. Yer just gonna have to try different brands and see which one it likes best.
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The gun you describe is probably still worth at least $400.

.22 MRF ammo is expensive, so I shoot whatever I can scrounge at gun shows for $7 or less. Keep your eyes open for partial or torn boxes. Old Winchester ammo works just fine and I don't think I've ever had a dud.
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Thanks for the feedback.

I need to be real careful on how I tell him that 22 LR and 22 Magnum is not like 38 Special and 357 Magnum.

I have some 1980's vintage CCI 22 Magnum that I will try tomorrow when I shoot it and see how it groups. Picked up a couple of hundred rounds for a 22 Magnum Derringer that I purchased. Looks like I shot up a whole total of 6 rounds.

Thanks for the info on the value. Although he said just keep it, a "gift" of a case and a half to 2 cases of Federal 9mm "plinking" ammo should be a good exchange.

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Old 05-13-2012, 03:17 PM
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And if this revolver is a "shooter" when I take it to the range on Monday, I do need to replace the current skinny grips with something a bit more hand filling.

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Just shoot what you can get that isn't too expensive.
You will feel better after the range trips.
I've tried a few brands in this 48-2 I recently picked up and they all shot well enough for my needs/wants.

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Very nice grips!

I was thinking about a set of Pachmayr rubber grips, but the wood target grip do look nice.

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Thanks I have a gripping addiction
some more....forget those rubber ones
wood and a revolver just look RIGHT

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Old 05-13-2012, 09:16 PM
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some more....forget those rubber ones
wood and a revolver just look RIGHT

You are correct. The checkered wood target grips do look very nice.

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If your friend was shooting .22LRs out of the gun I can see why he was getting cases splitting and bad accuracy . I have had good luck in my 48s with Federal and had some Seller & Bellot (sp?) that worked nicely but I haven't seen any in a long time.

Here is another grip option. S&W finger groove, very comfortable in my hand anyway:

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Old 05-14-2012, 06:46 PM
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If your friend was shooting .22LRs out of the gun I can see why he was getting cases splitting and bad accuracy . I have had good luck in my 48s with Federal and had some Seller & Bellot (sp?) that worked nicely but I haven't seen any in a long time.

Here is another grip option. S&W finger groove, very comfortable in my hand anyway:
Really good looking grips.

I had a chance to visit the range today with the 48.

Shooting CCI 22 Mag, I had the best 25 yard group (standing/ braced) that I have had in 35 years of military and civilian shooting. Group was slightly less than 1 1/2 inch.

Now to pick up a nice set of wood grips. The magna grips were a bit of a challenge to get a good grip on.

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Most of the time mine wears the Hogue Gripper grips for range sessions and hunting.

Winchester Supreme 32 gr are very accurate and more impressive on water bottles than the other brands.
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You can check ebay for grips. I've gotten several pairs of Herretts at reasonable prices.
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Thanks for the responses.

I just noted that the sight blade adjustment screw had been "adjusted" and permitted the rear sight to shift about .020 inches left to right quite freely.

The revolver was shooting to the left by about 5 inches at 25 yards. I noted that the sights were moved almost all the way to the left.

I made the adjustments to the sight position to shoot to point of aim/center of target. And was able to tighten the blade up.

I hope to have a chance to test it on Friday.

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Old 05-28-2012, 07:29 AM
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Thanks for the responses.

Adjusted the sights and it shot to the Point of Aim at at 25 yards. Shot my best group ever with a hand gun with a 2 inch group at 25 yards standing braced on a vertical roof support.

I was able to pick up a nice set of target grips. They look great and make a big difference in how the revolver handles.



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You made one heck of an acquisition there! And that mod 48 has a good home!!

I also found my 48-4 likes CCI the best. My Marlin rifle likes old school Win. ammo in 40 JHP the best.

The differences are like night and day!!

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Nice gun Hoover...now look around and see if you can find an orphaned Model 17 cylinder somewhere, have it fitted and you will have a two caliber gun....

Picked this on up last year and a friend found me an extra Model 17 cylinder.....shoots like a rifle... Had Pachmyers on it but was able to buy these grips from another Forum member...



One hint...carry a tooth brush with you... Because of the cylinder gap and short barrels many .22 Magnum loads don't burn all their powder completely...so the extra ends up under the extractor star and then all of a sudden the cylinder starts turning hard...a few swipes with the tooth brush cures that...

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Long barreled model 48's are tack drivers.
I have one, it's fully target equipped, and it's a beaut!
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:51 PM
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Nice gun Hoover...now look around and see if you can find an orphaned Model 17 cylinder somewhere, have it fitted and you will have a two caliber gun....

One hint...carry a tooth brush with you... Because of the cylinder gap and short barrels many .22 Magnum loads don't burn all their powder completely...so the extra ends up under the extractor star and then all of a sudden the cylinder starts turning hard...a few swipes with the tooth brush cures that...

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Wish I could find a reasonsibly priced 22 LR cylinder!!

And I agree, after about 3 cylinders, a little cleaning is needed.

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I can tell you what 22 mag ammo not to shoot. If you see any of this 1961 ammo cheap, buy it for resale but do not shoot it. 1st issue and is worth pretty close to $100 a box. Big Larry

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Wow....never even seen that before....would have to be 1960s vintage....

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22 Mag handguns are more picky about ammo than 22 LR, in my experience.

I usually get excellent accuracy with WW 40 grain JHP (silver box) and WW 34 grain JHP (black box).

The 30 grain CCI doesn't do well at all; Fiochhi 40 JHP is even worse.

The 40 grain Mags will be going about 300 fps faster than a 40 grain HV LRs in a 6" barrel and the Mag will group about 3" lower @ 25 yards.
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The Rem. magnum ammo I pictured is from the very first production run from 1959 or early 60. Supposedly, all of this ammo was recalled for some unknown reason. It is very scarce. I have a M48-0 4 screw, # K 368119, no XXX's, shipped 7-1959, two months into production and really searched for a matching date box. I am a collector, so this early gun will not be shot any time soon. Big Larry

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Very nice grips!

I was thinking about a set of Pachmayr rubber grips, but the wood target grip do look nice.

Hoover
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22 Mag handguns are more picky about ammo than 22 LR, in my experience.

I usually get excellent accuracy with WW 40 grain JHP (silver box) and WW 34 grain JHP (black box).

The 30 grain CCI doesn't do well at all; Fiochhi 40 JHP is even worse.

The 40 grain Mags will be going about 300 fps faster than a 40 grain HV LRs in a 6" barrel and the Mag will group about 3" lower @ 25 yards.
Funny, the CCI 50 grain JHP (really old stuff, it appears that is not manufactured any more) does the best. A close second is CCI 40 grain and Fiocchi 40 JHP.

WIN Dynapoint is the least accurate but then again not by much.

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Way cool thread.

I have a 8 3/8" NIB (Presentation box) 48-3 in nickel, with both the 22WMR and 22LR cylinders. VERY COOL, or should I say HOT!

It's a special order from 1975.

Since it's unfired, I doubt I'll ever "break the seal", but it's tempting.

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Way cool thread.

I have a 8 3/8" NIB (Presentation box) 48-3 in nickel, with both the 22WMR and 22LR cylinders. VERY COOL, or should I say HOT!

It's a special order from 1975.

Since it's unfired, I doubt I'll ever "break the seal", but it's tempting.

Best wishes,

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Gee - I hope the photo shows up
Wow!! Very nice.

My S&W 48 came in a presentation box also. It was an old towel.

What are you waiting for? Go ahead and shoot it!

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Very nice gun you have there Hoover. Those targets really make it. I was lucky enough to find a 650 w/aux 22lr cylinder, and a 651, both J frame 22 magnum this year. Loud and fun to shoot. Enjoy

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Funny, the CCI 50 grain JHP (really old stuff, it appears that is not manufactured any more) does the best. A close second is CCI 40 grain and Fiocchi 40 JHP.

WIN Dynapoint is the least accurate but then again not by much.

Thanks,

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Federal makes a 50 grain product and some have good luck with it. The Dynapoint is way slower than the rest of the Mags - In some revolvers more like a 22 HV LR. The Fiocchi is exactly 100 fps slower than the 40 grain WW product in my guns.

I don't know what kind of groups you are getting but you might try a box of WW 40 grain JHP or the more expensive 34 grain WW. ------ Last week I shot groups under .7" @ 25 yards with both of these. The 34 grain JHP shoots about 1.5" lower than the 40 grain JHP but they both are amazing.

I bought a bunch more silver box as when something works this well for me it usually gets changed/cancelled. The new stuff came in a re-designed box (still silver) so I'm hoping they didn't change anything about it.

I shoot Richardson's Ground Squirrels with the silver box round and it is very effective out to as far as I can hit them.
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Thanks for the ammo information. I inherited this gun and have never fired it. I knew the 22 long did not fit. The rim is too small on the 22 long.
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