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Should I use a speed loader with my 19-2 ?
I have a 19-2 with these grips:
When I tried to use a HKS number 10A speed loader, it hit the side of the grip in the cut-away portion of the grip and the rounds and the loader were jammed pretty tight.
Should I be able to use a speed loader with these grips or do I need another style grip, or another brand of speed loader? Or should I just load all rounds by hand...?
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The "football" cutout your grips have was not added for a speed loader. It was added to ease ejection of the spent cases.
The grips you need are these:
These grips were designed to clear speed loaders.
You could use Speed Strips with your existing grips.
My 19-3 has the grips with the football cutout (or will have in a couple of days) and I have a set of newer grips cut for speed loaders. If I am going to carry it (rare) or shoot a bunch at the range I will swap in the speed loader cut grips then put the footballs back on when I just want to sit and caress my sweet 19!
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What are the grips without the "football" cut out called?
And, how does the speed strip work...just easier to pick the rounds up or something else??
I'm new to all this so I have to ask....
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Speed strips are used to load 2 rounds at a time into the cylinder. Their biggest advantage is compactness. Speedloaders are much better and "speedier". Get another set of grips to use and save the original targets. I really like Hogue monogrips. They have several styles to choose from, but there are others available. As for speedloaders, the Safariland are the quickest, in my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree, but what do they know?!!
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What are the grips without the "football" cut out called?
And, how does the speed strip work...just easier to pick the rounds up or something else??
I'm new to all this so I have to ask....
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The stocks with the larger section off the left panel are called "speedloader cutout" style.
The Speed Strip is made from a medium density bendable plastic or rubber, that gives when you push the rounds in and takes a similar effort to offload into the cylinder.
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Pastprime, the stocks on your 19-2 are what is commonly referred to as having the "football cut-out" which was designed to allow clearance for the extractor to clear fired cases from the cylinder. The prior design had no clearance cutout and tended to hinder clean ejection of fired cases. Your type stocks were introduced prior to and just at the beginning of the introduction of HKS and several similar speedloader designs. Since they weren't specifically designed for speedloader use the problem you have experienced is quite common. When the loaders first came on the market many shooters, especially LEO's I knew, would remove additional material from the stock so speedloaders would
clear. Of course, at the time, we didn't know that the football stocks would one day be valued by collectors and such action would be viewed
as sacrilige. Later production production stocks around 1980 or so came with a proper speedloader cutout designed for that purpose. As the stocks on your 19-2 are the correct design which would have originally come on your revolver I would definitely not advise altering them in any way.
As far as other speedloaders that might provide adequate clearance with your orignal stocks, you might try one of the Safariland models, however I am not confident they would work either. Of course, there are the speed strips sold by Bianchi and others that although faster than loading by hand, are somewhat slower than speedloaders. Another possibility might be to obtain a pair of the newer S&W stocks with the cutout, or even the smaller magna factory grips for range and/or carry use and save the originals for "show."
Please pardon my lengthy reply but I have never been able to make a long story short! Hope this helps and others here may be able to offer
additional suggestions.
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Well, guess I was too slow. Buncha' folks beat me to the punch. All good advice.
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Yes you can use speed loaders but not easily with those grips.
Good news is that K frame square butt grips are interchangeable and any generation will fit your gun if you prefer the horseshoe cutout style that will allow speed loader usage.
Also, Your 19-2 has the wrong stocks on it.
The stocks on your gun in the picture are for the 19-3 gen guns and maybe early 19-4
The early 19-2 originally came with football relieved checkered diamond target stocks made of dark Walnut or Rosewood or smooth "Presentation" target stocks (without any checkering),
both would have black metal washers inside.
Later 19-2 versions had checkered Goncalvo Alves stocks (like the ones on it now) but with diamond centers.
The correct style for your gun depends on how early your gun was made in the dash 2 revision,
If you tell us your serial or partial serial we can figure out the proper style grip for your 19-2.
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I was shooting 38 special (CCI Blazer) through my 19-2 with football cutout target grips recently and occasionally the casing would hit the football cutout. It knicked the finish of the grips a little. I can imagine longer 357 casings will be a little more difficult. Still fun to shoot!
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Originally Posted by Engine49guy
Yes you can use speed loaders but not easily with those grips.
Good news is that K frame square butt grips are interchangeable and any generation will fit your gun if you prefer the horseshoe cutout style that will allow speed loader usage.
Also, Your 19-2 has the wrong stocks on it.
The stocks on your gun in the picture are for the 19-3 gen guns and maybe early 19-4
The early 19-2 originally came with football relieved checkered diamond target stocks made of dark Walnut or Rosewood or smooth "Presentation" target stocks (without any checkering),
both would have black metal washers inside.
Later 19-2 versions had checkered Goncalvo Alves stocks (like the ones on it now) but with diamond centers.
The correct style for your gun depends on how early your gun was made in the dash 2 revision,
If you tell us your serial or partial serial we can figure out the proper style grip for your 19-2.
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The serial number is K7781xx. I did not think the grips were original because when I was asking questions before I aquired the gun, several people said it would be a big plus if it had diamond grips.
I'm sure I can find a set of grips with a cutout for a speedloader at a local gun show or by advertising here. What would be a fair price for a set with the speedloader cutout?
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The serial number is K7781xx. I did not think the grips were original because when I was asking questions before I aquired the gun, several people said it would be a big plus if it had diamond grips.
I'm sure I can find a set of grips with a cutout for a speedloader at a local gun show or by advertising here. What would be a fair price for a set with the speedloader cutout?
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I paid $80 for a really nice set of speed loader cutout stocks, and $71 for a really nice set of football cutout stocks. That said, you can usually find shooter grade stocks for $40-$50.
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I can only guess how many of those grips I ground down and refinished with Tru-oil so speedloaders would work.
Oh well. They were cheap and they were tools. I guess I helped the remaining ones become more valuable....You're all welcome I suppose....
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I have the same problem with the "football" type target stocks on K-frame .38/357s. A trick I have found that works with the HKS loaders is to not insert the speedloader all the way. That is, barely touch just the bullet noses into the charge holes, then turn the knob to release the cartridges and let gravity do the rest! The 6 rounds will fall in, and avoid jamming the loader against the stocks and scraping up the finish.
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I was shooting 38 special (CCI Blazer) through my 19-2 with football cutout target grips recently and occasionally the casing would hit the football cutout. It knicked the finish of the grips a little. I can imagine longer 357 casings will be a little more difficult. Still fun to shoot!
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I have this problem, too. To avoid scratching the grips, I remove the casing closest to the stocks first. Push the case out only a little with the ejector rod, remove it, then eject the other five. Sounds complicated, but it's worth it, especially with really pristine diamond footballs!
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Sounds complicated, but it's worth it, especially with really pristine diamond footballs!
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That's why I use my speed loader cutout grips when I know I am going to use speed loaders! It might be a good idea to get a set of shooter grade (not perfect) speed loader grips to swap in.
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IMO that late in the dash 2 series should have diamond center GA's.
Earlier versions had the Walnut or Rosewood,
Speed loader cut targets IMO $50,
Correct football cut diamond targets $100 to $140,
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Should you? It depends on the purpose for which you are using the gun. If you are hunting, plinking, etc, then you probably have little need to use speedloaders. If you are carrying it for defensive purposes or competition simulating such purposes, you should have at least one speedloader, depending on your circumstances. In that case, you probably need to swap out the grips for something that will work well with speedloaders under stress. That would also protect these grips from getting beaten up in the course of such use.
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Originally Posted by Nframe_is_no1
I have this problem, too. To avoid scratching the grips, I remove the casing closest to the stocks first. Push the case out only a little with the ejector rod, remove it, then eject the other five. Sounds complicated, but it's worth it, especially with really pristine diamond footballs!
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Mine aren't diamond grips but they're still look great. It doesn't seem to complicated at all. As a matter of fact, that's what I had in mind for my next trip to the range. When it gets down to it, I don't see anything wrong with slowing things down a bit.
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