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Old 01-31-2013, 10:26 AM
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I am considering possibly selling my blued model 18, no dash made circa 1961 in very good shape. Given the current political situation what do you think a fair price might be?
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to get the most accurate estimate on condition/worth pictures would be
necessary some other variables would be accesories like do you have the box tools paperwork.

You do have a desirable gun
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I saw a very nice one at the DFW gun show last weekend. It was priced at $650 and the guy wouldn't bargain. I passed on it and it didn't sell by the time I finally left. I think somewhere around $500 would be a fair price. My 2012 Blue Book lists a 95% gun at $450 and a 98% gun at $550.
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My 2012 Blue Book lists a 95% gun at $450 and a 98% gun at $550.
The Blue Book is for re-sellers wanting to fleece the sheep for deals so they can buy it and make money - it is not indicative of fair market price.

JMHO but I think the gun as described is worth more than $500, more if the box and tools are with it.
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I paid $650 for my Mod.18 no dash (also 1961) in December '12 at my lgs and haven't lost a bit of sleep about it. Three T's and all. No box, but it was in really nice shape and I wanted it. Done deal. Lately, I have seen Mod.18s of various vintages (pre lock) and in decent condition, priced at the 600-700 dollar range w & w/o box sell quickly, while those priced higher tend to languish. So much depends on condition, finding the buyer who has a hole in his collection, original box and extras...You might scan the ads on some of the auction/selling sites to get an idea of the current market. Your mileage may vary... OD.
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to get the most accurate estimate on condition/worth pictures would be
necessary some other variables would be accesories like do you have the box tools paperwork.

You do have a desirable gun
The gun has the Smith diamond checkered standard wood stocks with the Smith Logo but I don't have the box anymore.
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The Blue Book is for re-sellers wanting to fleece the sheep for deals so they can buy it and make money - it is not indicative of fair market price.

JMHO but I think the gun as described is worth more than $500, more if the box and tools are with it.
I tend to agree, with Obama's gun control agenda everything is not in alignment with the blue book. vickersmaster303
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My personal opinion is that the recent political developments are primarily impacting sales and prices of those firearms in the most jeapordy, namely semi-auto rifles, magazines and if the worst would come true all semi-auto firearms like handguns, etc

I do not see this having any noteworthy effect on the 1961 revolver market. These guns are in no jeapordy that I am aware of based on recently proposed legislation. If anything, I see the demand for revolvers going down slightly as buyers that might be considering a revolver purchase, shift their purchase decision to something that may not be available in the future.

I dont know why anyone is being critical about whether the price should be $450 or $650 based upon whatever book youre looking at. Condition and accessories are everything and without pictures or a precise grading, you can't really assess value with any accuracy.

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I have to agree that other than those who are panicking and buying anything they thought they might ever want that the current political situation isn't really affecting revolvers as much.

But the point is that, relatively speaking, S&W 22 revolvers were always in the unique unfortunate position of having several lower caste competitors that could not hope to hang with them on quality larger bores and semi-autos, but did turn out very serviceable and affordable 22's. As such , people bought scads more H&R's, High Standards, and the like than S&W's and again, relatively speaking there were fewer S&W's produced. Since they aren't making them anymore (at least not like this) there is a growing value and appreciation for these older guns that have survived in good condition.

Those who keep saying it hoping it will make it so are only fooling themselves when they opine that a 1961 model 18 in good condition, for example, isn't worth much more than what a comparable High Standard sells for on Gun Broker.

And the 'critical' part of the discussion (at least what I saw) focused on the "Mine's worth a fortune and yours ain't worth spit" types who drag out a Blue Book at gun shows and shops to explain the 'fact' to you that theirs is worth a fortune and yours ain't worth spit.
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Before the panic a clean 60s vintage 18 would bring in the $525-600 area. In reviewing the completed auctions on GunBroker for the last month it doesn't appear that 18s have gone up all that much.

Of all the S&W .22s the 18 is my favorite...with a 63 a close second.

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I have turned down an offer of $650 for my 18-2 w/verified 3 T's, but I would not sell it regardless. I just like it that much.
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I paid $650 for my Mod.18 no dash (also 1961) in December '12 at my lgs and haven't lost a bit of sleep about it. Three T's and all. No box, but it was in really nice shape and I wanted it. Done deal. Lately, I have seen Mod.18s of various vintages (pre lock) and in decent condition, priced at the 600-700 dollar range w & w/o box sell quickly, while those priced higher tend to languish. So much depends on condition, finding the buyer who has a hole in his collection, original box and extras...You might scan the ads on some of the auction/selling sites to get an idea of the current market. Your mileage may vary... OD.
Thanks for the info. That's the approximate price I have researched 600/700$. Thanks again, appreciate it.
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I have to agree that other than those who are panicking and buying anything they thought they might ever want that the current political situation isn't really affecting revolvers as much.

But the point is that, relatively speaking, S&W 22 revolvers were always in the unique unfortunate position of having several lower caste competitors that could not hope to hang with them on quality larger bores and semi-autos, but did turn out very serviceable and affordable 22's. As such , people bought scads more H&R's, High Standards, and the like than S&W's and again, relatively speaking there were fewer S&W's produced. Since they aren't making them anymore (at least not like this) there is a growing value and appreciation for these older guns that have survived in good condition.

Those who keep saying it hoping it will make it so are only fooling themselves when they opine that a 1961 model 18 in good condition, for example, isn't worth much more than what a comparable High Standard sells for on Gun Broker.

And the 'critical' part of the discussion (at least what I saw) focused on the "Mine's worth a fortune and yours ain't worth spit" types who drag out a Blue Book at gun shows and shops to explain the 'fact' to you that theirs is worth a fortune and yours ain't worth spit.
I am in agreement totally on that one. The gun show scalpers pull out the blue book when trading or buying and twenty minutes later you walk by the same isle and the same gun is priced $150 more. Go figure. JMO
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I'm not against capitalism and understand dealers and gun show exhibitors have expenses and need to make a profit.

But as you noted, I've never had one say, "Well, the Blue book, which is just a 'general reference', says it's worth so & so, and most of the time you see them sell for so& so these days; I have cover expenses and make a profit so all I can offer you is X amount since I have to turn around and sell it." Most of the time it's more the attitude I described above . . .

A reasonable person has to agree with that. If someone thinks they should get full boat price from a dealer or even a fair selling price they're only fooling themselves and they are the ones being unreasonable.

But I have a problem with gun show types making their profit twice off a mark in the same deal - lowballing them to get their gun and charging top dollar plus for their goods.

But it's just common sense - if you want maximum return on your goods - sell them yourself to someone who wants what you have, not a dealer. He didn't take you to raise or to correct your buying mistakes.
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Yep, 6-700 if no dongs or dings.
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With the price of centerfire ammo going thru the roof , .22s are gaining in desirability again.

Your not gonna get top dollar walking into a shop looking to sell. They have to make money too.
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