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Old 03-18-2021, 07:36 AM
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I got my hands on a 1980 Model 57 (serial number N674xxx) but this gun seems to be a mix of the Model 57 (frame) and the Model 58 (barrel). Was this option available? I am not a S&W specialist. The pin looks untouched as the gun looks in mint condition as well. The problem is that this combination is shooting high, no surprise because of the very short front sight. The combination looks good (I like it) but the question is: Is this gun a piece of **** or just a rare (stupid?) custom combination.
The Standard Catalog has no mention of a variation like that (didn't expect it to), but I think it looks pretty good. I certainly wouldn't call it whatever you called it that the auto-censor made into asterisks. It does beg the question as to why someone would change the barrel, though. How much high does it shoot; can you set the rear sight as low as possible and adopt a different sight picture to compensate for it, like a low 6 o'clock hold vs. a "sunrise" hold?

My M58 is the only fixed sight S&W that I have, and I couldn't clearly see the front post in the rear notch (getting old and bifocals). I painted the edge of the rib bright red, similar to the insert available on the Baughman front sights, and painted the back of the notch white. Allows me to better see the sight picture; I know that won't help you with your short post issue, but adapting to what you have will still work.

Maybe the previous owner had a 6" barrel M57, wanted a 4", but could only find the M58 barrel; didn't realize the sight height difference until too late.

Another thought; since you found a M57 with a M58 barrel, it stands to reason there might be a M58 somewhere out there with a M57 barrel. A true Holy Grail quest.
My pair, 1967 and 1968 S prefixes, the M58 was ANIB when I bought it.
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Old 03-18-2021, 09:07 AM
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The gun shoots more than 10“ high at 15 yards and more than 1 yard at 25 yards. The rear sight is screwed down as much as possible, so i guess that the current sight combo will never work at all. As I wrote, I don’t think that the barrel was changed because of the new, untouched looking barrel pin.

@ Hair Trigger: what a beauty the Model 57 you own, nice gun.

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Taurus made exactly that gun. It was introduced more than 20 years ago.


They were available in various construction materials. The top one in the above image is Total Titanium and weighs in at 19 ounces. The bottom one in the above image is stainless steel and weighs in at 29 ounces

They are about L-frame in size. .....................

4 inch Titanium


3.5 inch Stainless Steel


2.5 inch Stainless Steel


The Taurus Trackers along with a Taurus Raging Bull


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Old 03-18-2021, 10:15 AM
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I think the last S&W .41 Magnums I've bought were a nickel 58-1 and a nickel 57-6. I don't even have photos of them
My most recent .41 Magnum would be a Henry Big Boy carbine.

If anyone is recently new to this thread, I went back and edited all my posts to update all the dead photo links. http://smith-wessonforum.com/search....rchid=12657180



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first of all: sorry for my englisch I am from Austria (Glock country)
I got my hands on a 1980 Model 57 (serial number N674xxx) but this gun seems to be a mix of the Model 57 (frame) and the Model 58 (barrel). Was this option available? I am not a S&W specialist. The pin looks untouched as the gun looks in mint condition as well. The problem is that this combination is shooting high, no surprise because of the very short front sight. The combination looks good (I like it) but the question is: Is this gun a piece of **** or just a rare (stupid?) custom combination.
I attache a picture of my Model 66 how the barrel should looks like.
Karl,

By the way the frame looks, it appears that a model 58 barrel was swapped onto a model 57 frame. It looks neat, but likely was not a factory offering. A historical letter would tell for sure.

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Hello karl...

As said, no tellin' but probably someone screwed a 58 barrel onto a 57 frame for some reason... A good gunsmith would be able to fix your front sight problem. Pop out the pin holding in the front sight and then make a new sight blade of the correct height... Not easy but a good smith can do it. I've seen some 58s converted to .45 Colt that had a custom front sight blade becasue the Colt uses a heavier slower bullet and will usually shoot higher than a .41...

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ko...a beautiful collection... I have a 97 just like yours but the grips are the black Micarta...one of my favorite .41s...

That Bisley Flat Top... I take it that stareted off a Williams Distributing exclusive and you added the gripframe and cylinder...that bis a NICE looking gun... I had one of them and sold it...mistake...

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ko...a beautiful collection... I have a 97 just like yours but the grips are the black Micarta...one of my favorite .41s...

That Bisley Flat Top... I take it that stareted off a Williams Distributing exclusive and you added the gripframe and cylinder...that bis a NICE looking gun... I had one of them and sold it...mistake...
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You are correct about the Bisley Flat Top, I then made a Super Blackhawk out of the donor Bisley, 3rd from the right top row.



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good evening @ll
first of all: sorry for my englisch I am from Austria (Glock country)
I got my hands on a 1980 Model 57 (serial number N674xxx) but this gun seems to be a mix of the Model 57 (frame) and the Model 58 (barrel). Was this option available? I am not a S&W specialist. The pin looks untouched as the gun looks in mint condition as well. The problem is that this combination is shooting high, no surprise because of the very short front sight. The combination looks good (I like it) but the question is: Is this gun a piece of **** or just a rare (stupid?) custom combination.
I attache a picture of my Model 66 how the barrel should looks like.
Had a gunsmith friend of mine back in the early 90s that we swapped frames. He wanted a fix sighted .44 Mag and had a 4" M29. I had a second 4" M58. He filed down a the front sight of that 4" M29 barrel and built up a front sight on my 4" M58 barrel.

Henry is still listing 4 models of .41 Mag rifles and Charter Arms still lists their .41 Mag Pug

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All I can say is that an awful lot of folks take first rate care of their guns and that is a tribute to the caliber in it's own rite.
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ko...those Trackers are great guns... I've got a 4" stainless and a 4" and 6" titanium...

Just saw a 4" Ti LNIB sell for over $2K on GunBroker Sunday...prices are going nutz...
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ko...those Trackers are great guns... I've got a 4" stainless and a 4" and 6" titanium...

Just saw a 4" Ti LNIB sell for over $2K on GunBroker Sunday...prices are going nutz...
All I'll say is Taurus has a very bad track record of customer service?
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The .41 magnum is an excellent revolver cartridge. I've owned several, including 57s and old model Ruger Blackhawks. I trimmed down my collection of shooters to simplify reloading, component inventory, and bullet casting chores and the .41 and .45 Colt were casualties of the process - but if I were starting from scratch and know what I know now, I would seriously consider the .41 as my primary magnum revolver cartridge. Some beautiful guns pictured here, guys!
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ko...those Trackers are great guns... I've got a 4" stainless and a 4" and 6" titanium...

Just saw a 4" Ti LNIB sell for over $2K on GunBroker Sunday...prices are going nutz...
Yikes $2K! I've been thinking of downsizing, maybe now is the time to move some of my collection.

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good evening @ll
first of all: sorry for my englisch I am from Austria (Glock country)
I got my hands on a 1980 Model 57 (serial number N674xxx) but this gun seems to be a mix of the Model 57 (frame) and the Model 58 (barrel). Was this option available? I am not a S&W specialist. The pin looks untouched as the gun looks in mint condition as well. The problem is that this combination is shooting high, no surprise because of the very short front sight. The combination looks good (I like it) but the question is: Is this gun a piece of **** or just a rare (stupid?) custom combination.
I attache a picture of my Model 66 how the barrel should looks like.
So here is my solution so it shoots now as it should. And it looks like original.
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karl-b . your english is just fine . I admire your " fix " for a tough problem . I'm a minority in my country , " I have never owned a glock " ! Regards , Paul

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NICE job guy!!!

Did you make or buy the sight base??

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..they are s l o w because the guns go back to Brazil to be fixed...at least I know mine did...
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..they are s l o w because the guns go back to Brazil to be fixed...at least I know mine did...
They have a manufacturing and service facility in Bainbridge, GA now so I believe they no longer have to send stuff back to Brazil. Their Heritage line of products are made and serviced in Florida.
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NICE job guy!!!

Did you make or buy the sight base??

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I make it by myself. On my working place I have access to spark erosion and milling machines. Thats why i make one in spare. I designed it just for gluing to the existing front sight.

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I figured you were a machinist...nice job...
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So does anyone have anything new in the world of .41s? I was on vacation in the NW for two months and just got back a couple of weeks ago...

In looking at the auction sites, the 4" 57s and 657s sell a lot faster and for more money than the longer length barrels...it is too bad that since S&W has been making the "Classic" with a 6" barrel for several years that could drop the 6" barrel for a couple of years and make it in a 4"...my bet weould be it would be a better seller...or better a 4" STAINLESS...what is wrong with these people???

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Bob , if they would make a 4" 657 , stainless version I would be all over that . I have a nickel 57 in 4" and a 58 but would grab a stainless in a heart beat . Regards Paul
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There is a 4" 657 (discontined in 1988) as well as the Mountain Gun version (introduced in 1998). Also a 4" unfluted version (103950), which I've never actually seen, and a 4" 657-2 Classic series, according to SWSC 4th.

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4" .41s are my favorite S&W revolver...

I own a 1986 4" stainless and a Mountain Gun... Have seen a picture of one of the guys on here unfluted 4" but have never seen one of the 4" 657-2 Classics...
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I have a model 57-2, great shooting gun! Does anyone have a line on original front sight blades? Mine was "messed" up by previous owner and I have been searching ever since I got the gun.
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Almost 20 years ago I was a Gun Library Mgr at Cabela's. I bought a collection of S&W guns and in that collection was a M57 4 inch 41. I could have bought it but I had a M29 at the time and didn't see the need. I loved the feel of that 41 however and by the time I made up my mind it was sold.
I recently bought a M57 no dash 4 inch nickel and have been enjoying that gun. I have M19's in blue and nickel and when I saw another no dash blue M57 on another forum I snatched it up. I was thinking of pairs of revolvers in blued/nickel. This gun had Pachmayer grips which I just don't care for. I lucked into a set of grips from Ken Driskill which I thought would look great on it. The grips hadn't arrived when the county sheriff called asking about this gun. To make a long story short this gun was stolen from Tacoma Washington over 30 years ago! I had to surrender the gun and am out the purchase price. I'm going to try to get it back but as it was stolen in Washington, sold from a gentleman in Idaho and I live in Michigan it's doubtful.
To ease the pain I have a 6 inch M57 that should be here today but I'm going to continue the search for a blued 4 inch.
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...well Mr. GPS...how is the "new" .41?
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I have a model 57-2, great shooting gun! Does anyone have a line on original front sight blades? Mine was "messed" up by previous owner and I have been searching ever since I got the gun.
The front blade, whether it is a Baughman ramp or a Patridge, is pinned and replaceable, and is the same for all adjustable sight N frames.
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The 6 incher is a nice gun. I put the set of grips on it that came from Ken. I took it north over the weekend but miserable weather prevented me from shooting it. That will get done this week. I really like the 4 inch vs the 6 inch and saw a nice one on GB before I left for the weekend. Funds for that gun will go out today
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Great topic, back to the top

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Two 41s. 57-2 8 3/4, 28 6” and 657 4”.
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The front blade, whether it is a Baughman ramp or a Patridge, is pinned and replaceable, and is the same for all adjustable sight N frames.
Sometime in 1980 S&W went from the pinned in blade front sight to an all milled unit...have no clue what they were thinking as if someone crashed the front blade the whole barrel would have to be replaced or the blade would have to be milled off and the base milled&drilled to take a new blade.

I had three 1980 vintage 57s at one time. The blue one I still have has a pinned front sight blade. A later blue and a Class A engraved nickel do not. Not sure if or when they went back to a pinned in front blade before the 57 was discontinued.

Gunsquirrel...if you look under the front sight blade on the side of the ramp you will see (or not see) a round pin polished flush...does your gun have one?

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While in Idaho in May was able to visit the Herrett's Stocks factory with friend Mackay Sagebrush. Picked out four walnut blank sets and had them copy a set of Detective grips that came on a used 57 I had purchased many years ago... Those grips fit my hand better than anything else and don't move when shooting DA...

They were scheduled to arrive in August and did so...

Here is a link to some pics that were also included in a thread here on Herrett's grips...

Herretts Stocks on S&W N-frames - 24hourcampfire

Took the 58 out twice this week and tried several different loads... Grips are just perfect...

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Good to know, my newest N frame (a M29-2) is a 1979 and it has a pinned front blade, my newest K frame is a 1981 and it is also a pinned blade (Patridge in this case). Anything newer than 1981 I don't care about. My M57 is a 1968.

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Added a Henry to mate with my M58.
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Good to know, my newest N frame (a M29-2) is a 1979 and it has a pinned front blade, my newest K frame is a 1981 and it is also a pinned blade (Patridge in this case). Anything newer than 1981 I don't care about. My M57 is a 1968.
...I'm sure some BeanCounter figured out they could save $2.51 by machining the whole barrel and sight as one unit instead of having separate blades and having to mill and drill the front sight base... Apparently whoever approved the change didn't care or didn't realize the "unintended consequences" of that savings...

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I will be packin this model 57 this deer season
as we are loaded up with hogs again.

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Thats a target rich environment. I'm headed to Texas on the 28th for a deer hunt, unfortunately they don't have any pigs. I am on my way to the range today to punch some paper with the M57, 29, and a pre m14. Just not the same as makin bacon
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Great thread for some great 41 Magnums. I love all the great photos.

I used the Model 58 on the PD for several years. I switched over to the 41 caliber after finding the 357 Magnum wanting while on the two way range. I wasn't a fan of the original 210 grain police loads, but when we adopted the 170 grain Winchester Silver Tip bullet around 1983 it really came into its own as a belt gun for uniform carry.

I still have my Model 58 as well as a Model 57. Both shoot tighter than I can hold with my 210 grain RCBS cast SWCs over 8 grains of Unique powder.
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With those two...you don't need much else...

8.0 grains of Unique will run right at 950 from the 58...same as the original 210 LSWC POLICE loadings from Winchester and Remington.

9.0 runs 1100 fps with a 210-220 grain bullet and makes a big difference, Have been using a MP mold that throws a 213 grain Keith HP that REALLY opens up at 1100 fps. GT Bullets has a lot of HPs for the .41 as it is the owners favorite caliber...

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I've seen that one in person, and know from whom it was sourced...I bought a blued 4" yesterday...Maybe I can manage to hold on to this one along with my nickeled one......Ben
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657-3 Magnum Hunter PC. Not a beauty, but rare. I read something about 500 pcs were produced in 1995. RSR serial number and in Europe, because of the uncommon caliber very cheap. I paid only 800€ thats why I could not resist buying it;-)


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I came to the .41 mag game a bit late. It was 1981 and a fella i knew who had been stationed in Alaska (Tok Junction Loran) sold me his .41 Mag Ruger Blackhawk. He sold it to me for what he paid for it. $110.00 and it came with a half box of shells.

A few years later when i was stationed back in CA, a fella i knew who owned a pawn shop found a .41 Mag Marlin (NIB) 1894 Carbine for me. It was added to the stable too.

Time passed and i was visiting my brother up near Seattle, Washington and he told me about a S&W .41 Mag, like new, no box or tools but good condition for $400.00. He wanted to know if i wanted it? I told him not to let the sun set on the day without buying it. It is a S prefix P&R 4". He didn't tell me it was in like new condition, but then i don't think he knew that.

I sold the Ruger to a local friend and added to Mod 57 to the stable. I'm a big fan of 6" bbls for hunting so that was the only modification until recently when i added some Pach's to soften the recoil. I kept the 4" bbl and the org. stocks for that day when i sell it off for retirement money. Maybe that'l be about 2055 or so, since i plan to live to be 125 and die by being shot by a jealous husband.

I also have a Taurus S/S snubby for those times when the big 6" is just to much to carry around. It's about like trading a 30 pound weight for 25 pounds, but it is lighter. And it carries in a shoulder holster so i don't ever feel under-gunned.

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