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Old 08-08-2014, 05:30 AM
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I knew that title would get some folks hahaha

I've been looking for a while, but never had any information to add, so I never made an account, but now I would like some help.

I have recently acquired a Model 10-8, that has a few modifications ... a few ...

This was a prize gun, built by Fred Schmidt. #41 of #250 of his short cylinder guns (so I've read on PPC forums).

It has an Aristocrat three position rib, what appears to be a 6" pinned slab sided HEAVY barrel, DAO cut on the hammer, shortened cylinder, two extra ball locks on the crane (one to lock with cylinder in, hence "Triple Lock" hahaha, and one to lock the cylinder in place when it is opened), a smoothed and contoured trigger with an over travel stop, and a trigger that breaks at 5 lbs, and feels like it's on ball bearings.

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And an old 81 issue of American Handgunner on Fred Schmidt revolvers.







There we go, hope y'all enjoyed the pics.

If y'all don't mind, is there any info you folks would care to share, I know a bit about the pistol, but not really the Model 10 itself, and I'd like to know a bit about the builder if possible.

I would also like to know the approximate value. I have been looking for a 625, but man this is a pretty sweet piece of iron. Thanks for looking folks!

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Old 08-08-2014, 06:43 AM
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Welcome! The basic model 10 design dates all the way back to 1899 (K or medium frame, .38 Special, six-shot, double action, hand ejector). There were probably 3+ million of these built, not including the other calibers and the adjustable sight versions of the same gun; it was the dominant LE sidearm from the 1940s well into the '80s and is still produced (the model 10-14). And, as you know it was also the basis for lots of PPC conversions. Hope this is helpful.
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Assuming the MOD. 10-8 is stamped inside the yoke,

10-8 (1977): change gas ring from yoke to cylinder for heavy barrel

So the frame is from no earlier than 1977 and no later than 1988, when it was replaced by the Model 10-10. Please provide the SN on the butt for a better idea as to when the gun was originally shipped from S&W.

I was aware such custom short cylinder revolvers existed, but this is the first picture of one I remember seeing.
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What a great gun. How does it shoot?

Do we know if Fred Schmidt did his short cylinder modification to guns other than PPC type revolvers?

The reason I ask is that I had this modified 1917 which is modified very similarly but obviously not for PPC. I have always wanted to know who did the work.

Note the similarities: Bobbed hammer, smooth and rounded trigger with trigger stop, 2 additional ball detents and of course the shortened cylinder. This gun also has a "reduced" trigger guard and the frame is has been round butted. What I noticed is the similarities in the trigger as well as the ball detents and of course the short cylinder. The action is amazingly smooth and unlike any I have ever felt on an S&W. Also the barrel/cylinder gap is almost non-existent. You can barely see daylight through it - although the gun functions flawlessly.

Please look past the engraving - when I purchased this gun it was heavily pitted and I commissioned the engraving to cover the extensive "rash".

I am hoping you could look at the following pictures and compare them to your guns modifications.







The full photo album is located here: Heavily modified 1917
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Sucks that you can only shoot wadcutters out of it but still a cool revolver.

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I too have one of the old PPC revolvers and they shoot great. I've always laughed at the idea that these guns were state-of-the-art in Police Practical Shooting. That's like the compensated race guns in United States Practical Shooting Association. Gives Practical a whole new meaning.
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PPC revolvers are tough guns to pin a value on. Most were expensive when they were modified but auto pistols took over and dominated PPC before the sport faded away. Their weight limits them to range use and there are very few other matches where they are appropriate. Consequently it’s a buyer’s market. FWIW a few years ago I bought a Davis built PPC S&W revolver from Cabela’s for $600 & tax. The PPC shooter who had it built likely tied up over $1000 1970s dollars in it. Figuring inflation that was a bunch of money but many municipalities paid PPC shooters travel and match expenses. If buying an expensive revolver moved them from wrestling winos to shooting for a living they got their moneys with even with no resale value.
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What a great gun. How does it shoot?

Do we know if Fred Schmidt did his short cylinder modification to guns other than PPC type revolvers?

The reason I ask is that I had this modified 1917 which is modified very similarly but obviously not for PPC. I have always wanted to know who did the work.
It shot a 1/2" center to center group @ 25 yards off of a Ransom Rest yesterday.

I don't know hardly anything about Fred Schmidt's gun building business, or what kind of guns that he worked on, except for the PPC guns. I'm sorry I don't have anymore info.
The ball lock on the crane looks similar, but the over travel stop is completely different. Mine is of a rounded off screw, and I do not have a reduced trigger guard.


DWALT - I believe this pistol was made in 77, or early 78.
There is a small engraving on the other side, and under it, it is hand engraved:

Michigan
Police Pistol Match
Class - AA
1978

This is why I am fairly positive that this is a price pistol.
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Even though that gun cost a fortune to build resale value is poor because it is so specialized it's hard to find a buyer.
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Even though that gun cost a fortune to build resale value is poor because it is so specialized it's hard to find a buyer.
If that's the case, I'm glad I got it for the price I did. If I do end up selling, I should do ok.

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It shot a 1/2" center to center group @ 25 yards off of a Ransom Rest yesterday.
That is awesome!

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I don't know hardly anything about Fred Schmidt's gun building business, or what kind of guns that he worked on, except for the PPC guns. I'm sorry I don't have anymore info.
The ball lock on the crane looks similar, but the over travel stop is completely different. Mine is of a rounded off screw, and I do not have a reduced trigger guard.
Thank you for taking the time to compare. I have been searching the web to try to find out more about Schmidt, but other than the PPC guns there doesn't seem to be a lot of info.

I didn't expect yours to have a reduced trigger guard as that wouldn't be necessary for a PPC gun. I guess I will never know. There are no markings other than standard S&W 1917 markings.
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Jr - have you had the grips off the gun? Has the grip frame been modified from square to round?
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It is still a square butt frame if I am not mistaken.

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