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I still see a few deputies carrying revolvers on duty with my department but they are few and far between.
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I haven't seen a revolver being carried by a law enforcement officer in years. Most agencies here in cornfields and cows country have their equipment issued by the agency they work for and none issue revolvers.
If I were on the job today, I certainly would be comfortable packing a revolver but it wouldn't be my first choice for a duty weapon.
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I was in Chicago last year and saw a few uniformed guys still carrying stainless revolvers while on foot along the Magnificent Mile.
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I still see a few deputies carrying revolvers on duty with my department but they are few and far between.
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Around here deputy sheriff's are few and far between. But that's a whole other thread.
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My wife's cousin works for a sheriff's dept. in south FL. One of his co-workers carries a model 4" model 29, and 3 speed loaders. Evidently hes had to use it in the line of duty twice now... he's still alive, and 2 dirt bags aren't.
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I see one from time to time here in PA .
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Just getting back onto this thread, I see .
Within the past few months NYPD announced they will no longer permit/support use of the last model 64 DAO revolvers still being carried. There are probably some smaller departments still out there that allow revolvers to be carried, but likely a lot fewer than in 2015...
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As of 8/30/2018, ALL service revolvers in the NYPD were no longer authorized. There was only like 40 guys still using them. That’s one out of a thousand. Most were the DAO Model 64 or Ruger GP100 or Service Six. But there were definitely a few blued Model 10’s and Service Six’s.
I don’t agree with the mandatory phasing out. The youngest guys still carrying a duty wheel gun would be in their 29th year. They would all have been gone in a few years. Those who wanted a free 9MM had a few decades to get it. They chose to keep their wheelgun. Maybe they were too cheap to spend a couple hundred bucks on duty gear and night sights, but then again, getting the 9MM was three days off patrol so the expense wasn’t so bad. But either way, they carried that gun for three decades or more and it should have stayed with them until retirement. Off duty revolvers are still authorized and there are far more of them, so it’s not like it’s an ammo issue or a qualification issue since you gotta qualify with the off duty.
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A couple of years ago I was at Jazzfest in Sioux Falls. One of the police officers there was on security detail. He was carrying a Model 10 or 15 S&W. We talked a little about it. He wasn't that old either. I was about 50 at the time and he appeared to be younger than me. I asked our local police chief about carrying revolvers. He stated that he had no problem with any of his guys carrying a revolver if they chose as long as they could qualify with it.
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FWIW: In 1979 when I was still fairly new to LE, I worked for an agency that had no written policy regulating the type of duty weapon their officers carried, as virtually all were individually purchased. For a couple of weeks, I decided I'd carry a Ruger Old Model ("Flat-top") Blackhawk in .44 Magnum, with some 250 grain SWC Special loads (900 fps), in a Roy Baker "Pancake" holster. I carried extra ammo in a dump pouch. I only chose this revolver out of nostalgia, and voluntarily switched to more modern/practical duty weapon(s) not long afterwards.
Just thought I'd bring this up, because even though I retired only ten years ago, I haven't met another officer that carried a single action revolver (within policy) before or since!
ETA: About five years ago, I noticed a deputy sheriff with the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department in court, carrying a S&W Model 627 (eight round capacity). He had a duty rig with four spare reloads.
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FWIW: In 1979 when I was still fairly new to LE, I worked for an agency that had no written policy regulating the type of duty weapon their officers carried, as virtually all were individually purchased. For a couple of weeks, I decided I'd carry a Ruger Old Model ("Flat-top") Blackhawk in .44 Magnum, with some 250 grain SWC Special loads (900 fps), in a Roy Baker "Pancake" holster. I carried extra ammo in a dump pouch. I only chose this revolver out of nostalgia, and voluntarily switched to more modern/practical duty weapon(s) not long afterwards.
Just thought I'd bring this up, because even though I retired only ten years ago, I haven't met another officer that carried a single action revolver (within policy) before or since!
ETA: About five years ago, I noticed a deputy sheriff with the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department in court, carrying a S&W Model 627 (eight round capacity). He had a duty rig with four spare reloads.
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As a kid, I once saw a reserve deputy carrying a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 in his holster at the State Fair.
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A .357 Blackhawk would make an ideal service weapon if one were a cowboy action shooter and knew how to run one.
Go to any CAS match and look at what they can do with them. It puts a lot of the range commandos with their bucket of bullet Block 17s to shame, and the stopping power of a good .357 is unbeatable, especially compared to 9mm.
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There are still LEO’s carrying revolvers daily, you just can’t see them. Is it dying? In my neck of the woods it sure is. At a recent revolver transition class (have to take a class to carry on/off duty and qualify with it) only 7 people signed up. J frames are alive and well as backups along with the occasional k. The days of detectives carrying them as their primary have been over for a while where I work. But as backups they still serve every day Personally, I recently started carrying a smith as a backup. Reason? My son loves revolvers. I have 20 plus years on. I’m retiring sooner than later. He can treasure this one particular smith as dads back up gun.
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The Peace Officers of the NYS Department of Corrections still use 4" S&W model 10's. Most of them are - 8,-9,-10,and - 11. Many original Magna grips and some Uncle Mikes. The newest version - 11's are S&W "classic series" guns with brand new walnut service grips. HKS speed loaders and Gould and Goodrich holsters /pouches are issued.
The CERT teams switched to the Glock 17 some time ago when the NYS Troopers switched to .45GAP and transferred their old G17's to NYSDOCS. Most of those Glock 17 pistols are in storage while NYSDOCS figures out how to make them the future service weapons.
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Just yesterday I saw a cop in plain clothes getting coffee at a 7-11. Older guy. At least early 50’s. Had his shield on his belt but it was a silver cop shield, not a gold detective shield. Wearing a suit but jacket left in car. S&W stainless J frame in a pancake holster on his belt. Definitely stainless, not aluminum 642. I’m betting 640 .38 special. I have a 640 in .38 and the .357’s look beefier.
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As of last year the Illinois Department of Corrections was carrying Smith & Wesson Model 64 double-action .38 Special centerfire stainless steel K-frame service revolvers. I spotted some corrections officers with them at a southern Illinois hospital, and was inspired to buy one and mimic the rig they were carrying:
Not sure of their carry load but they were carrying similar holsters and speedloader pouches. Knowing Illinois and its financial situation they’re probably still using these guns, but if you think about it, probably all they really need for that task.
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Ocean City MD still issues 4 inch Model 64 S&W's to their seasonal Police Officers. Full time Officers carry Glocks or something similar.
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I was watching a TV show a couple of nights ago about John Gacey. There was a deputy sheriff who works the cold case unit and has been trying to establish the identies of some of Gacey’s victims for several years. He was a plainclothes guy who was carrying a stainless revolver. It appeared to me to be a Model 638 though I could be wrong. Kind of surprising to see an active duty deputy in a metropolitan area still carrying a .38 snub.
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FWIW: In 1979 when I was still fairly new to LE, I worked for an agency that had no written policy regulating the type of duty weapon their officers carried, as virtually all were individually purchased. For a couple of weeks, I decided I'd carry a Ruger Old Model ("Flat-top") Blackhawk in .44 Magnum, with some 250 grain SWC Special loads (900 fps), in a Roy Baker "Pancake" holster. I carried extra ammo in a dump pouch. I only chose this revolver out of nostalgia, and voluntarily switched to more modern/practical duty weapon(s) not long afterwards.
Just thought I'd bring this up, because even though I retired only ten years ago, I haven't met another officer that carried a single action revolver (within policy) before or since!
ETA: About five years ago, I noticed a deputy sheriff with the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department in court, carrying a S&W Model 627 (eight round capacity). He had a duty rig with four spare reloads.
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In 1978, I left a small sheriff's office to work for a medium sized city PD (with 3 months in between at a state prison as a correctional officer). My usual duty revolver was a M27 converted a 6 1/2" .44 Special. One day, I decided to carry my 4 5/8" Old Model .45 Colt Blackhawk. My usual assignment was to patrol either our shopping centers or the downtown, driving my high powered cruiser-a three wheel Cushman. I felt at ease carrying the Ruger, as it was my first centerfire handgun and I had put many a round down range through it.
A few months later, another officer told me that he had heard I had been carrying my single action and that if we had been assigned to ride together, he would have refused to work with me. The odd thing was that he carried an early M39 that was known to jam on him. He had been advised to ship it back to S&W to be fixed, but had never bothered to do it. I would rather have 5 or 6 .45 Colt going down range than carry a semi auto that had jammed on me and may jam again.
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In 1978, I left a small sheriff's office to work for a medium sized city PD (with 3 months in between at a state prison as a correctional officer). My usual duty revolver was a M27 converted a 6 1/2" .44 Special. One day, I decided to carry my 4 5/8" Old Model .45 Colt Blackhawk. My usual assignment was to patrol either our shopping centers or the downtown, driving my high powered cruiser-a three wheel Cushman. I felt at ease carrying the Ruger, as it was my first centerfire handgun and I had put many a round down range through it.
A few months later, another officer told me that he had heard I had been carrying my single action and that if we had been assigned to ride together, he would have refused to work with me. The odd thing was that he carried an early M39 that was known to jam on him. He had been advised to ship it back to S&W to be fixed, but had never bothered to do it. I would rather have 5 or 6 .45 Colt going down range than carry a semi auto that had jammed on me and may jam again.
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I still see security guards carrying revolvers in various federal buildings. These are however federal contractors working as armed security guards and are not police officers.
However, over the last 11 years I've been seeing them much less frequently.
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My agency carries Glock. Local small county Sheriff in the Panhandle of FL is you carry what you want since they won't buy you a gun.
Old Timer with them carries a 3" Model 65.
I would carry a wheel gun if allowed. But the reality is, a G17 works.
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I have noticed a pretty steady decline in even Washington DC special police officers carrying S&W wheelguns. Glocks seem to be the primary replacement. Special police are effectively armed security guards in the context of the rest of the country, but DC always has to be special. That said, armed security is fairly common throughout DC and have been killed protecting people such as the National Holocaust Museum shooting.
I also see much fewer Chicago PD airport officers at O’Hare and Midway with wheel guns anymore. Five years ago, an officer with a semi auto looked like a SWAT Tackleberry, usually younger and much fitter than the majority of officers. Today, there are few of the revolvers listing out from the belt at a 45 degree angle in horribly worn holsters. I cannot think of another airport law enforcement presence that I see with revolvers in the last five years.
I did pass an older plainclothes guy likely waiting to pick up a prisoner transfer in the O’Hare terminal last fall. At a distance, he seemed to have the Marshals Service look, but as I drew closer, he had a Chicago Shield clipped next to what looked to be silver Smith 469 (or similar). The gun carrier was clearly on point so I didn’t approach to ask questions, but the general vibe was he likely was maintaining his 30+ year old gun.
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I believe my former agency allows revolvers for off duty & back up carry. The weapon must be approved by the range officer & the officer has to shoot a qualifying score w/it at semi annual qualification.
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Lawrence County (MO) Deputy Hilbert Box, now deceased (natural causes) carried a nickeled Colt New Frontier in 357 to the early nineties when he retired. Never needed more, and nobody 'tried' him.
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I saw my cousin in MA the other day. He works for the MA prison system as a guard. He said they used said to carry SW model 64s then switched to Sigs which I thought was reasonable. ...But he said they just switched out their Sigs for Glocks
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I still see security guards carrying revolvers in various federal buildings. These are however federal contractors working as armed security guards and are not police officers.
However, over the last 11 years I've been seeing them much less frequently.
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A number of these contractors have converted to semi autos. The company I worked for went from stainless .38s to Glock M17s in 2009.
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Sad to hear many places had dropped their revolvers in just the past couple a years... breaks muh heart, honestly. Now everyone needs a plastic fantastic bucket of bullets block brick for the job.
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Sad to hear many places had dropped their revolvers in just the past couple a years... breaks muh heart, honestly. Now everyone needs a plastic fantastic bucket of bullets block brick for the job.
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Back in the Day, it was common for a Lawman to do 20 or 30 years with the same revolver he was issued or purchased when he came on the job.
Most agencies today will replace their sidearms every 3 or 4 years. Upgrading to a newer model, or manufacturer / design all together.
Many will many argue the merits of this practice. I suspect its dubious spending of tax payer dollars. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Officers using worn out equipment, but you can't tell me any of the wonder nines of today are worn out after 3 or 4 years.
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The Department of Homeland Security still issues Model 60 and 640's as back up guns to their agents.
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Within the past year I read in a law enforcement magazine that the NYCPD issued a directive that stopped the carrying of revolvers while on duty. I don't remember where I read it. Some of the older Phila guys still carry them.
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DHS, yet another government agency that was created to do a lot of nothing.
Of course the seeds for DHS were planted when the War Department changed its name to the Department of Defense.
War Department....yes, an agency who was constantly planning current and future ***-kickings.
I could ramble on forever about this. Around 1915, we secured our southern border with 15,000 Infantrymen and had no issues with anyone coming in.
Now the Border Patrol has roughly 18,000 agents and they can't do it.
Of note, the Posse Comitatus was modified by H.R. 5122 in a state of emergency Federal Troops could be used to enforce local laws.
I submit we need three brigades of Infantry on our Southern Border. We have the Sinai Desert rotation, why not a Sonora Desert Rotation.
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Back in the Day, it was common for a Lawman to do 20 or 30 years with the same revolver he was issued or purchased when he came on the job.
Most agencies today will replace their sidearms every 3 or 4 years. Upgrading to a newer model, or manufacturer / design all together.
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I only work regularly with a few dozen departments in four states, but I can only think of one state police department that switched firearms in a short period, canning junky S&W M&P-1s for Glocks. They still have the Glocks almost a decade later. Another agency bought a certain Beretta auto that was a well-known fiasco, they carried those for 18 months before they went Glock too.
Most departments with auto pistols seem to have a decade or so replacement intervals. I would also note that police careers are much shorter these days... I recently worked for a 60 officer agency that had 15% annual turnover, effectively a eight year total replacement cycle. That was a well paid, well equipped and otherwise desirable department (I did recruiting). Effectively a majority of the guns in the agency turned over each five years.
Glock also pioneered replacement of entire firearm fleets at effectively no cost. Now all the major OEMs do this. That means the taxpayers aren’t getting soaked too bad and the handgun conversion cycle is often concentrated mid career retraining.
No way I buy into a three year replacement cycle for law enforcement guns across the country. Where that is accurate is because of (1) poor quality guns (usually S&W or SIG) or (2) certain shenanigans, usually part of an otherwise lousy local government.
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All in all, the tendency of every walk of this society, to forsake what works, to abandon what is time-tested and true, in favor of the bright shiny object, the flash of the moment, the flavor of the day, is just stunning, absolutely stunning. And not in a good way.
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Interestingly, buried in this new report on US Government agency firearms is evidence that the IRS still has 4 revolvers and HHS 12...unknown as to what they are or uses:
GAO: IRS Had 4,487 Guns; 5,062,006 Rounds of Ammunition
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Our local town Marshal carries a Smith 296 44 special in a pancake holster. He’s been on the department since I was a kid and was recently promoted from detective to marshal.
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My edc Model 58
Although I dont carry it on duty it is my edc...and maybe my last few months on the job I think I will carry it lol...love it!
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Although I dont carry it on duty it is my edc...and maybe my last few months on the job I think I will carry it lol...love it!
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Looks like your Model 10 has been working out with Schwarzenegger!
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Lol...it has. Still looking for that perfect carry round... I think everyone should own a 58!
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