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Old 05-23-2016, 06:15 PM
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I am a new member; first post.

I was lucky enough to come across a Model 14-2, heavy barrel at a local shop several months ago. I made the purchase not knowing that there was anything specifically different or special from other model 14's. Completed the transaction then started to look for background info, found nothing with respect to value. I trust that someone here could provide some information as to the worth of this revolver

It is the Standard with no target options, no box, but in super condition...could be considered 99%....very slight turn ring on the cylinder, no bluing loss, grips are excellent as well. Thanks. mfg. 1967, k660xxx.

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Whatever you paid, I bet it borders on felony. I won't venture a value, but several here know a lot about that gun
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IMO a LNIB four inch 14-2 HB could bring $1500 to $2k,
A clean shooter grade gun would be a good buy around $600,

A HIGH condition gun with no box or docs probably somewhere in between.
Your serial points to the second batch from mid 1966,
Wondering if it has Diamond target stocks or Magnas ?
If Magnas are they non diamonds , flat bottom or PC curved style ?

Post some pics when you get a chance.
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It has the Magnas /flat bottom no diamonds and came with a registration card dated 11/67 and noted as being new. I appreciate your opinion and reply.

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I don't want to burst your bubble, but your gun is simply a 4" Model 14, it is not a Dayton Police Supply gun. The description in SCSW leaves a bit to be desired as it states the Dayton guns have a red front sight insert. Some may, but I haven't seen one, including mine which is one of the early ones in the K62352x range. The stocks on your gun are probably replacements as yours should have the PC square butt stocks with diamonds. Did you check the rt. stock for the SN? The SN range for the Dayton guns is reported as ranging from K623337 to K624496, so your SN is a bit too high. The Dayton barrel is taken from the Model 10 HB and is cut for a pinned in ramp sight. The wide rib is entirely smooth and glass beaded. The barrel is also larger diameter and with a wider rib than the Model 14 barrel. I will bet yours has a slight, grooved, channel on the top of the rib that matches the grooving of the rear sight leaf.

This isn't saying it isn't a nice revolver, no doubt in very good condition, and likely well worth what you paid for it. It just isn't a "Dayton".
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I don't want to burst your bubble, but your gun is simply a 4" Model 14, it is not a Dayton Police Supply gun. The description in SCSW leaves a bit to be desired as it states the Dayton guns have a red front sight insert. Some may, but I haven't seen one, including mine which is one of the early ones in the K62352x range. The stocks on your gun are probably replacements as yours should have the PC square butt stocks with diamonds. Did you check the rt. stock for the SN? The SN range for the Dayton guns is reported as ranging from K623337 to K624496, so your SN is a bit too high. The Dayton barrel is taken from the Model 10 HB and is cut for a pinned in ramp sight. The wide rib is entirely smooth and glass beaded. The barrel is also larger diameter and with a wider rib than the Model 14 barrel. I will bet yours has a slight, grooved, channel on the top of the rib that matches the grooving of the rear sight leaf.

This isn't saying it isn't a nice revolver, no doubt in very good condition, and likely well worth what you paid for it. It just isn't a "Dayton".

Alk8944 - you should do some more research on the Dayton guns.
The 14-2s for Dayton Gun Hq were in the K623XXX & K624XXX range and then again in the K660XXX & 661XXX range. Total quantities are estimated to be 2,000.
There have been many threads here on the Forum with documented guns in the later number range
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It is stamped 14-2 and has the Heavy barrel as shown. the right grip matches serial on the revolver, not replacements. I must be the first to ever have them off, very snug. As you say, if it is not a Dayton I will be happy that I made the purchase regardless.

Thanks for your knowledgeable information.

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It is stamped 14-2 and has the Heavy barrel as shown. the right grip matches serial on the revolver, not replacements. I must be the first to ever have them off. As you say, if it is not a Dayton I will be happy that I made the purchase regardless.

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Your grips are an acceptable style. You should letter your gun.
Congrats on the purchase!
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Wow! Just wow! To know that there are still some sleepers out there, albeit very hard to find, is simply wondrous...Congrats on your find of a beautiful Model 14!
Just wow!
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Very nice 14-2 HB "Hanen Special" (AKA Dayton gun),
From the pics posted it appears your gun actually has the rounded "PC" Magna style non diamond Magna stocks which would be correct for your serial range IMO.

The initial 14-2 HB run from 1965 are mostly found with diamond Magnas with the "PC" (Plain Clothes) rounded heel although IIRC a few have popped up with flat heel diamond Magnas, and while less prevelant some have also been documented as having shipped with Walnut diamond target stocks .

Although with S&W nothing is absolute the second run from 1966-67 are more commonly found with the then new Non diamond Magnas or Walnut diamond target stocks if targets were specified .

While these were a special order for Dayton Gun Headquarters you will notice this early flyer uses the term"Hanen Special" which ironically is almost never used when describing the 14-2 HB.
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The initial 14-2 HB run from 1965 are mostly found with diamond Magnas with the "PC" (Plain Clothes) rounded heel although IIRC a few have popped up with flat heel diamond Magnas, and while less prevelant some have also been documented as having shipped with Walnut diamond target stocks .

Although with S&W nothing is absolute the second run from 1966-67 are more commonly found with the then new Non diamond Magnas or Walnut diamond target stocks if targets were specified .


True statement above, you will find all sorts of variations on this model with respect to finish (blue/nickel), stock vintage (diamond/non diamond) and configuration (Target, magnas and modified magnas - aka Plain Cloths), hammer and trigger (standard/target), etc.

The three guns below all lettered as you see them:



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This M14-2 also has a SN of K660xxx.


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I can't believe we've gotten this far without bidding you welcome to the forum, so welcome to the forum.

That was one hell of an entrance.

I hope you'll stick around. This is a great place to learn, share info, and ofte, to laugh.
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Thank you. I have been a S&W guy for many years and often looked to this forum for guidance and information from the "sidelines."
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Welcome to the FORUM! I never met ANY 14 I did not like! Congratulations! I have a run of the mill 14-3. I do enjoy it. Bob
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Now, that is a BEAUTIFUL SMITH! Bob
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Welcome to the Dayton club.

Mike Priwer wrote an article on customer blocked s/n's. In it he specifically uses the Dayton HQ s/n's as an example. According to Mr. Priwer: there were 2038 pcs mfg'd from '65 - '68 in 4 seperate blocks of serial numbers taken out for Dayton HQ (aka Hanen Specials). Yours seems to be in the 3rd lot of 800 pcs: s/n 660288-661087.

Mine is blue with the modified magna's (aka pc magna's or plain clothes magns).
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bananaman, there's no such thing as a run-of-the-mill Model 14. Never seen or heard of one that wasn't superb. If yours is just average why don't you sell it and get a good one? /sarc
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I just received my letter from S&W regarding info for my Dayton model 14-2.

According to them there were only (2) shipments, each consisting of 100 units, shipped to Dayton Gun Headquarters. DGH sent the first request for the first shipment Aug 8,1965. The first 100 were delivered 12-14-1966. DGH ordered the second 100 in 1967. The letter states that there were other distributors in the late 60's and early 70's but not stated that they were 14-2's. Are these 200 revolvers the only ones which should be considered as genuine Dayton?

I have read that there were a total of 2038 produced overall, only 200 were actually sold through Dayton Gun Headquarters.
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Ok what is a dayton gun?
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Mine has the Baughman ramp front sight, no red insert, and has Magna "PC" style stocks numbered to the gun. SN K661511. It is 98 to 99% condition. Paid $800 in 2015 for it.
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They are special order guns ordered by Dayton Gun Headquarters, Dayton, OH. They have a 4" heavy barrel modeled after the Model 10's heavy barrel profile and have adjustable rear sights.
Only a few thousand were made if I'm right.

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I just received my letter from S&W regarding info for my Dayton model 14-2.

According to them there were only (2) shipments, each consisting of 100 units, shipped to Dayton Gun Headquarters. DGH sent the first request for the first shipment Aug 8,1965. The first 100 were delivered 12-14-1966. DGH ordered the second 100 in 1967. The letter states that there were other distributors in the late 60's and early 70's but not stated that they were 14-2's. Are these 200 revolvers the only ones which should be considered as genuine Dayton?

I have read that there were a total of 2038 produced overall, only 200 were actually sold through Dayton Gun Headquarters.
Just as with other guns that originated from a single person or dealer (Bekeart .22 revolvers and Ashland or Lew Horton distributors), there are probably different levels of Dayton-ness among collectors but the guns themselves are generically referred to by the name. I suppose one actually shipped to DGS may bring a premium but I have not observed this.
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Has anyone in SWCA really nailed this question down? Roy Jinks says 200. SWCA Journal author says over 2,000. This is an old thread. Maybe there have been some updates?
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Forum member Mike Priwer wrote an article several years ago, documenting four shipments of about 2000 guns in total. He may be along to re-post it.
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I'd like to see that. I wonder how his documents deal with Roy's stating only 200 guns?
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My guess would be Roy commented on the number of guns shipped in the group with that serial number included, not the total number in all shipments, if that makes sense.
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Love when a good Lazarus post rises from the past.

The 14-2 Hanen special is a great lesser know S&W variant
Basicly pairs up a Model 14-2 frame with a 4" Model 10 heavy barrel and a Model 15 Patridge front site.
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These Dayton people seemed to be pretty gun savvy. This is an excellent combination of features.
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The copy of the AUG 65 inventory I have, with only 50 of the 180 blue and 4 nickel on the list, were in the K623-624 range.

I believe I have brought this up in the past, but I lived in Dayton off and on for many years, and I am pretty familiar with the town, and DPD would not have a need for 2000 guns of any kind, especially back then.
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Was it ever mentioned that any of the guns were destined to the Dayton Police Department? Based on the flyers, some have posted, it looked like they were for civilian consumption.

Is your inventory from the Dayton PD?
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Joe Hanen ran Dayton Gun Headquarters, Inc. He was sort of like the Lew Horton of his time. Very knowledgable in firearms and a tinkerer, the Hanen/Dayton Special Model 14-2 was intended for sale to all, LEOs and civilians. It was a hot rodded Model 14, with many desirable features. S&W should have made it a standard catalogue item.
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Had a brain fart...meant to say Baughman front site
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I remember the gun store but was never in there. I accompanied a friend who rode his used Dayton PD trike to the HD dealer for repairs. I had zero interest in guns then. I would have laughed at any idea I would ever become a police officer. Now I am always looking for a Dayton Special.
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I'm still looking for one of the 4 nickel guns.
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Here is a pic of the three guns Mike Priwer profiled in his article for the S&W Collectors Association Journal. I was privileged to acquire these three and they were a part of my K38 Masterpiece collection for some time (before downsizing many years ago).
The pic shows variations on this model with respect to finish (blue/nickel), stock vintage (diamond/non diamond) and configuration (Target, magnas and modified magnas - aka Plain Cloths), hammer and trigger (standard/target), etc.

These three guns letter as they are in this pic.

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The Dayton guns weren't the only 4" HB Model 14s made. I have a Model 14-3 in that configuration serial # 1K74XXX. Factory letter says this gun was shipped July 15, 1971 to Dave's House of Guns, Dallas, TX. Letter also confirms that this gun did leave the factory with a 4" barrel.
Indications are that this was part of approximately 100 guns shipped to three big wholesale distributors in July, 1971. Olympic Wholesale, Los Angeles, Daves House of Guns, Dallas and Gil Hebbard, IL. Its thought the they were a market test for this configuration. So this later gun is actually rarer than the Daytons.
Anybody care to take a guess what mine may be worth? No box or papers. It ain't for sale, but I am curious.

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I haven't seen any pics with a Dayton gun with a Patridge front sight. Do you have one by chance?
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The Dayton guns weren't the only 4" HB Model 14s made. I have a Model 14-3 in that configuration serial # 1K74XXX. Factory letter says this gun was shipped July 15, 1971 to Dave's House of Guns, Dallas, TX. Letter also confirms that this gun did leave the factory with a 4" barrel.
Indications are that this was part of approximately 100 guns shipped to three big wholesale distributors in July, 1971. Olympic Wholesale, Los Angeles, Daves House of Guns, Dallas and Gil Hebbard, IL. Its thought the they were a market test for this configuration. So this later gun is actually rarer than the Daytons.
Anybody care to take a guess what mine may be worth? No box or papers. It ain't for sale, but I am curious.

I have your guns twin
Those are different as they use a stock Model 14 wide rib barrel that has been factory shortened to 4",
The 14-2 Hanen Special (aka Dayton gun) has a heavier barrel that is larger in diameter with a smooth rib.
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Dayton Gun on Main street was the first gun shop I was ever in, late sixties and was there with a friend as his dad bought him a new Marlin Mountie 22 and I was green with envy ! They moved from there out to Centerville and from that point on I think it went through several ownerships, not really clear on all that but think it was part of Outdoor Sports.
Might have been one of the Dayton specials in the case that day but the only Smith I remember was a new K-22 that I spied in the case but could only dream about at that point.
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"Here is a pic of the three guns Mike Priwer profiled in his article for the S&W Collectors Association Journal."
Does anyone know the date of the Journal that this article was in? I just obtained what I believe to be one of the early shipped ones and would like to learn more about them.
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"Here is a pic of the three guns Mike Priwer profiled in his article for the S&W Collectors Association Journal."
Does anyone know the date of the Journal that this article was in? I just obtained what I believe to be one of the early shipped ones and would like to learn more about them.
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I don't have that information handy, might be best to PM Mike directly (he's a member here) to see if he has that information (he most likely does).
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