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Old 06-07-2016, 10:50 AM
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You guys keep talking about them Ford LTD IIs that were "slow". The last PD I worked at had a 1974 Chevrolet Bel-Air, with a 454 CI cop motor and cop everything thing else. I personally had it up to 145 mph (certified speedo), and wished it didn't have the Visi-bar on top, as I felt that slowed it down quite a bit. This was what we used in a small Texas town on those days. I can't believe a Highway Patrol would have something less for their Troopers, as our HP cars were quite powerful in that time period.......
Our Dept. came up with a spec. sheet for some new cruisers, and Ford built them for us at the now defunct Ford Plant in Lorain, Ohio. Don't remember the engine size (maybe the 5.0 liter), but everything was beefed up. They had to lock out low gear because if the accelerator was punched, the car would just sit there and burn rubber. They were 1976 Torinos and were fast. They were called the "Elyria Ford".

When we went to the support car program we first started by buying used OSHP patrol vehicles, usually Plymouths. Those cars were screamers too. We started getting new Fords again as money became available.
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TNZ71,

Thanks for posting that. It caused me to smile. That gun has historical LAPD written all over it. That sure as heck was one great gun.

I began my career with a Model 15 and ended with an H&K USP .45

Law enforcement administrators can be slow to adapt at times. Bad guys have no lag time. They go for the good stuff right away. The Black Panthers were armed with superior firepower. LAPD cops had to confront them with Model 10's. Now most cop cars have sophisticated semiauto rifles in them.

But I do like to remember the days of my rookie youth when I thought I had it all figured out when in reality about all I had figured out correctly was S&W quality.
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Our Dept. came up with a spec. sheet for some new cruisers, and Ford built them for us at the now defunct Ford Plant in Lorain, Ohio. Don't remember the engine size (maybe the 5.0 liter), but everything was beefed up. They had to lock out low gear because if the accelerator was punched, the car would just sit there and burn rubber. They were 1976 Torinos and were fast. They were called the "Elyria Ford".

When we went to the support car program we first started by buying used OSHP patrol vehicles, usually Plymouths. Those cars were screamers too. We started getting new Fords again as money became available.
The old HP cars here were all worn out when TxDPS got rid of them. I guess the budget dictates...........
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I was issued a Model 10 in 1975 when I hit the streets of Baltimore. Seven years later, when I made sergeant, the armorer (a sergeant) gave me a worked over 64 with as nice a trigger as you can imagine.

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My beloved first duty gun. Model 25-5, nicknamed "the Hebrew Hammer". Got me through some very busy and violent times when learning to be a cop.
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My first duty gun when I hit the street in 1977 was a 28-2 4" I purchased before going to the academy. I could have accepted the department issued 15, but chose my heavier 28 until I could find the ever-ellusive 19 or 66. I eventually found one in 4", and got a 2.5" 19 for off-duty, then a 66 4", followed by a 66 6", then back to the 4" and so on. I continued with the 19/66 revolvers until the 645 came out and we transitioned to them in the early '80s.

Later, after 16 years with my original department, I decided to go home and took a lateral to my hometown department in the early '90's. They were still carrying revolvers, and I was issued a 66 4" until we transitioned to Sig P226 pistols about six months after I got there. I still have my 4" 66, as well as a couple 6" and one 4" 19s I was able to buy from the department when we finally go the OK to clear out the old armory. Great guns. Seems the older I get, the more I tend to revert back to my S&W revolvers and my 1911 platform guns for daily carry, although usually in the form of a 640 or 340 M&P or a compact 1911.
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Mine was a 4506, Great "DUTY GUN" , horrible CC piece. Ranger belt or heavy leather belt no matter, that big smith print, pull my pants down on the weapon side. But it would cycle empties (malfunction drills). like ball ammo. 10 yards would print silver dollar group.
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I was a USAF cop and was normally given a Victory Model, as we were short of Combat Masterpieces then. I could get a .45 auto on request, and often did, worn in a personally owned Jordan style holster.

I worried a lot about the weak M-41 .38 ammo, until the NCOIC took unit funds and bought some .38 Hi-Velocity 150 grain FMJ ammo, off-base. This was probably .38-44 ammo, but safe to fire in K-frame guns in modest quantities. More would loosen the guns too soon. But we practiced with .38 wadcutters. This was as good as we could legally carry in the military, due to the Hague Accords. I still had more faith in the .45 ammo. Thankfully, never had to shoot anyone. Never had to even use my nightstick. I was lucky.
I was surprised to learn that the USAF updated and improved their .38 Special ball ammunition several times over the decades of use. They actually ended-up with a rather robust round -- something like 850 FPS -- before changing to the 9mm - which was probably a smart move over all. The worse aspect of the USAF SP sidearm scenario with the .38 Special, was the ridiculous way they carried extra ammo in the dump pouches. The rounds were kept in web nylon cartridge loop thingys, that would take minutes to remove the individual cartridges from the webbing loops and load into the revolver -- unimaginable under stress. Some of the guys decided to carry either the Binachi speed strips or early style Safariland rubber speed loaders in their flight jackets -- way under the radar..

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My former agency was so cheap, that they did not issue weapons per se. Anyone who wanted to carry a modern firearm had to buy their own. So, there were Colt Pythons, Model 19's and random others such as troopers, 15's and 10's. Basically, any Colt or S&W in .38 or .357.

They had a dozen or so pre-war 5 screw Model 10's that they kept for academy recruits to use while at the academy. Except one day, one of the old 10's fell apart/blew apart (self-destructed) while being fired, and the range master told the recruits from our agency that they would not be allowed to fire those museum pieces on his range. So, right in the middle of the academy, our recruits could not participate in firearms training -- for lack of safe handguns. This forced the cheapo department to emergency purchase new Model 65's? (stainless .357open sights) -- but not enough for everyone in the Dept. Just enough to ensure that no one had to rely on the old tens. (BTW, absolutely nothing wrong with those 65's bull barrel.) (Would make a great all-purpose car/carry/camping gun.)

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October, 1975... I was issued this 66 no dash, NIB. A friend had a brand new set of model 10 stocks, which I replaced the target stocks with. I still have the box it came in, and the target stocks. I also used a Tyler T Grip, which I still have, borrowed it for another gun. When we transitioned to Glocks, I was able to buy it for what Glock was offering in trade in. Can't remember, but around $160.00.



This is one that I would never consider selling for any price. Many memories there.

When I was assigned to plainclothes duties, I was issued this 66 no dash 2 1/2". It was also NIB, and I still have the box for it as well. I was able to buy it also when we transitioned to the Glocks, at the same price as the 4".



When I retired, the Department presented me with my Glock, but it's not very photogenic. So I ended up with all of the issue handguns from my 22 years of service. Not counting all of the off-duty guns, which were privately purchased, and most of which I still have.

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Old 06-21-2016, 05:16 AM
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Thanks for sharing all the memories and the pictures all of you.

I've never been a police officer. The closest I ever came was working for Burns and Pinkerton's as an armed security guard. My training was being asked "Have you ever fired a gun?" Well, I'd hunted most of my life, so I said "yes." Congratulations, you're an armed guard...don't shoot yourself or anyone else you don't have to."

The first revolver I was issued at Burns, was a Colt Official Police, 38, with pearl grips. I'm sure the pearl was fake now, but it was COOL when I was 21 or 22 or whatever it was. A Sam Brown belt, a Jordan Holster, and six rounds of LRN ammo. Oh, and a booklet "You and your revolver." I was ready.

I remember later being issued a Model 10 with Pachmayr's. I'm not sure, but I think it was with Pinkerton's. The funny thing is I remember the revolvers, but don't remember the assignment at all. The jobs I do remember were all unarmed.

Neither company kept track of the weapons. I held onto both of them, even long after I stopped working for them. Finally they would call me and ask if I still had them. I remember one, I forget which now, asking me if I'd mind dropping it off. They were doing inventory. I almost think they would have given it back to me if I'd asked.

Never did fire either one of them.

I just remembered. One of the assignments was one of the first all night grocery stores in Richmond. We had a guard killed there while I was working. I wasn't there that night, but heard the story of course. Two teenage thugs walked in and and shot him dead while he was standing in the door of the guard shack in the front of the store. They then must have panicked and run. They never even robbed the place. I remember going to work the next day, maybe the day after that, and seeing the hole in the door frame where the bullet had exited and hit the door frame. Or maybe they fired twice, but I remember the hole in the door frame.
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Not my dad's first, but his last duty revolver. A no dash 686.

Dads first duty revolver was a model 66 with a 4 inch barrel, that he had bought with his own money. He carried it for years. When he was issued the 686, he gave the department his model 66 when he should have kept it. Later they gave him this 2 1/2 barrel model 66 no dash to make things even.
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Still looking for my Colt DS, #689642, used in an on duty shooting in '74 when my partner was shot during a gun battle w/3 armed robbers. If you have it pls. PM me.
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Where I worked in Georgia, the sheriff owned all the cars, and the county commissioner paid him by the mile. Needless to say, the sheriff wanted those old hunks of junk rolling every possible minute (more $$$ in his pocket). Two of the old full-sized Fords would top out at 50 miles per hour, given a long enough straightaway; stopping them was equally challenging. The sheriff and chief deputy had the only relatively decent cars in a fleet of about 22.

When the new sheriff was elected and took office, the county immediately began furnishing all of the cars. All of the road deputies thought they had died and gone to heaven.
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My first a 4 inch model 19. Bought it from the Police supplier in Jackson, Ms. in 1972 when I started as a Deputy Sheriff. Many rears later a lot more SW revolvers in my possession still my favorite weapon.
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Ok another one. When I first got hired on, I was issued a new 10-6 and .38 Spl. LRN ammo, which I found out was quite old. The firearms officer at the time didn't want to spend money for ammo, so we all carried old ammo.

One night two officers went on a domestic call, and as they were walking down a hallway to a room, where the guy had ran too, he opened the door and fired at the officers. The lead officer drew his weapon and fired back, but the bullet barely exited the barrel. He fired again and the bullet bounced off the guys chest. The third round he fired did him in fortunately.

After that episode the Dept. thought it would be a good idea to buy new ammo for everyone, which they did.

When I became an instructor and armorer, I bought ammo bi-yearly and had all officers shoot up there old ammo during qualification and then I issued new ammo to everyone. We used W-W .38 Spl. LHBWC, which was the FBI load. We also went with the Model 66 too.
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bgrafsr,

You have some great stories. I hope you continue to share them.

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L Pete, our bosses were on an economy kick with the '79 LTD IIs...my first cruiser was a '68 Olds (455, 4bbl. dual exhaust, etc.)...the ones with no lights on the roof would do about 130 (the speedo went to 120) and the speedo needle would just keep going toward the green arrow for the right turn signal...when I retired in '93, we were using the '91 Caprice with the hot (LT-1?) engine, although my ride at the time was an '88 Caprice with the 350 engine...
Not to further hijack this but I had to comment... By the late 1970s, I can't thing of any new police package vehicle that was what were considered fast. By then, no Ford automobile, even the Mustang, had a 4V option, Chrysler had something called a lien-burn carb that wasn't very reliable, and a 350 4V Chevrolet wasn't exactly what it had been a few years earlier. I recall a couple of deputies who made smog junk on their LTDs and LTD IIs fall off in attempts to get a little more performance. Police in the city I grew up in had patrolled around in 6cyl Aspens and Volaries until 1980 or 81 when they got V8 Fairmonts (not sure if they were 302s or 255s) but they were a remarkable improvement over the slant 6s.
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I still remember the catalytic converters on the 74 Fords over heating and setting the grass on fire. We lost four unit before HQ said no parking on grass. Kind of hard to do on a rural beat.


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Went thru the police academy with a S&W Model 10 HB as a temporary issue. Upon graduation I was laid off along with 200 police officers.
Started the next day on a small suburban department carrying a new Model 65.
The first police vehicle I ever drove was a brand new, robin egg blue, AMC Ambassador.
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In 1991 as a new paramedic and newly wed, I took a second job as an armed security officer in B'ham. Not much pay but it helped.

I purchased a Taurus M-66 4 in (Model 19 copy) and kept it loaded with Federal 125 grn magnums and shot quite a bit with it as the income gave me play money. I was issued a Taurus Model 83 (Model 15 copy) for certain posts that only allow .38 caliber only revolvers (govt contracts)and it was loaded with the Cor-Bon 158 LSWC-HP +P rated 1000 FPS out of that 4 in barrel.

Both were shot extensively and were impressively accurate and never missed a beat. Later, as my pay went up I started buying S&W Model 19 4in Bbls and that was my duty until autos were allowed. Same ammo. A wonder I didn't crack the forcing cones.

Autos were Colt Govt .45 ACPs, Taurus 9mm Beretta copy, SIG P-220 .45, and SIG P-226 .357sig

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I still remember the catalytic converters on the 74 Fords over heating and setting the grass on fire. We lost four unit before HQ said no parking on grass. Kind of hard to do on a rural beat.


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We supplied our guns and leather.
The first was a Python , the next was an M-25 in 45 colt,
then changed counties that wanted 38 or 9mm.
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My first issue handgun was a pre-war S&W .38 nickel HD. In1959, TXDPS only has about 400 28s. Not enough to allow everyone to have one. I was not a top shooter at the time. I worked hard at perfecting my skills and made the regional team in a few years.

As to cars, my 59 Ford was slow. A 61 Plymouth was fast. A 63 Plymouth was faster. Problem was that the front end wanted to go airborne at much over 155. We would have to ease off to maintain steering. Then I got a 64 Ford. Low and well suspended, it may have been the best handeling patrol vehicle I ever had. Thanks to my local dealer, it was fast enough to catch the local Corvettes. A 67 Plymouth may have been the fastest of all. After blowing three engines within thirty days because of high speed oiling problems, and thinking that I might be fired, my dealer did some engine modifications, installed an eight quart oil pan, and changed the rear axle ratio. 167.?? by the stop watch for two miles. I had about 90k on that one when I was promoted. The troops back at the old station hung on to that one to almost 150k. The 64 Ford taught me that skillful driving is as important as raw speed, except on long straight away roads. We had lots of hill and curves.

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As a Part-Timer, I could sign out a really loose Victory Model & 6 mis-matched rounds... I opted for my personally owned M19 & SuperVels. I ordered a M66 through the Dept that never showed up so I bought my own at a LGS. My 66 didn't like the hot SuperVels & I got issued Winchester Silvertips.
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The dept armorer took the S&W class in Springfield & got his M645 class gun approved for duty use... I purchased the 645 when he moved on to something else. Since it was already approved, all I had to do was qualify with it... Easiest qualification I ever did.
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My first duty gun was a personally owned Model 27 5" carried in a Hoyt breakfront. Duty ammo was Winchester .38 Special 158 grain metal case round nose. The first issued gun I received in '78 or '79 was a Model 14 that the department paid a local gunsmith to shorten the 6" to a 4" barrel and remounted the original patridge sight. That gun had a really nice action and shot extremely well. I almost shot DX with it a couple times at the LASD range. I carried it in a Safety Speed swivel clamshell. When I went from reserve to regular in '80, they took away the cutoff M14 and issued me a new Model 15. I never warmed to it and instead carried my own 6" Model 14. My last issue revolver was a 4" 686, modified to DAO. I carried that in a G.W. Davis high ride thumb break or my clamshell that Safety Speed modified to fit the L frame.
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As soon as I got out of the Academy I ordered out a new Model 66, which I have kept through the years. I had wanted to get a 4" 27, but they were not available in '79. After wearing the duty belt for a short time I decided that a heavier revolver wasn't a good idea...

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As soon as I got out of the Academy I ordered out a new Model 66, which I have kept through the years. I had wanted to get a 4" 27, but they were not available in '79. After wearing the duty belt for a short time I decided that a heavier revolver wasn't a good idea...

Yep! Even though I was young and in shape back then, one of the first things I noticed after I got out of the academy and started working the streets was how heavy all that stuff you had to tote on your duty belt was after 8 or 10 hours!!! Didn't seem bad at the start of the shift, but after hours, it got heavier and heavier. Of course, like everything else, after a time you got used to it and didn't even notice it. But the 66 was a great revolver for the era. A stainless version of the Combat Magnum, beloved of Bill Jordan (we even used the "Jordan Border Patrol" holster by Don Hume), a gun that would brave the elements, and ours held up very well, and I still have both my 4" and my 2 1/2" versions, and they are still great guns forty years later!!! (I posted them above in post number 60).

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I have been reading this thread and looking at the guns and cars you guys had, NYPD 38 spl. for many years and our cars after about 3 months couldn't get out of their own way. While I enjoyed the job and the location, I would like to have carried a 44mag, and drove a car that went oner 35 MPH floored.
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When I was in the duty weapon was a 6" 28 in a crossdraw. They started looking at autos a couple years before I left and settled on Beretta 92s.
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Sorry about that. Never could warm up to getting a Beretta 92. Now their shotguns are something else.
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Sorry about that. Never could warm up to getting a Beretta 92. Now their shotguns are something else.
I had Berettas in Kosovo and Afghanistan. I was issued hollowpoints in K'vo, as that was an international police mission, but carried hardball in the sandbox.

I shot the Beretta well, 100% on qualifications, but didn't like the way it fit my hand or the weight. My German police station commander in Kosovo carried a HK squeeze cocker and when he went on leave, I volunteered to clean it for him. Of course, that was the same week I was working the range, complete with unlimited free ammo! I liked his pistol a lot.

When I gave it back, it was spotless.
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I started as a jail deputy in 1981 and used my personally owned M64 for transports and hospital duty since Jailors were not issued revolvers. Traded that one for a Dan Wesson .357 and was eventually issued a few different S&W sixguns until we started issuing Austrian plastic in the late '80s.
My last issue revolver was a M64 .357 that was taken off a man attempting to enter the courthouse many years ago. I still remember the serial number - D672999. Wish I could have bought it...
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Yep! Even though I was young and in shape back then, one of the first things I noticed after I got out of the academy and started working the streets was how heavy all that stuff you had to tote on your duty belt was after 8 or 10 hours!!! Didn't seem bad at the start of the shift, but after hours, it got heavier and heavier.

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Reading the above I remembered that I actually had bruises on my hips from the duty belt. Rookies had to carry a big Motorola "Brick" portable, as the veteran officers disliked the weight.

Bruises on the hips are a thing of the past though, I've much better padding these days!

Some of the stuff that was on the Sam Browne ...

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Gotta love that Kel-Lite, 153...
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Yep, made a good baton too. When I joined in '72, I had a jack pocket sewn into my right pant leg to carry the black jack.
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Reading the above I remembered that I actually had bruises on my hips from the duty belt. Rookies had to carry a big Motorola "Brick" portable, as the veteran officers disliked the weight.

Bruises on the hips are a thing of the past though, I've much better padding these days!

Some of the stuff that was on the Sam Browne ...

Man, now there's some memories. I have to admit, though, I preferred sap gloves over saps. This was especially true in close bar room fights and such. I think I used a baton three times in 37 years, but the sap gloves got used regularly in the 70's. They were quite effective and kept you from hurting your knuckles.
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S&W model 19 (no dash), bought it NIB in 1971 for $125.00. Served me faithfully until 1987 when we transitioned to semi-autos. It has an honored place in one of my guns safes and will be passed along to my grandsons, hopefully not too soon.
Love those Rogers Combat grips. I started out as a reserve with a 6" Python. During the academy in 1981, I bought the first 4" 586 in the Valley. Upon getting hired full time, my a Sergeant gave me a set of Rogers which I carried on the 586 until we went to autos. I buy every set of Rogers I can and have them for K, N and Pythons. Wish I had that 586 back, ser. # AAB1800.
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Man, now there's some memories. I have to admit, though, I preferred sap gloves over saps. This was especially true in close bar room fights and such. I think I used a baton three times in 37 years, but the sap gloves got used regularly in the 70's. They were quite effective and kept you from hurting your knuckles.
Yeah, what I remember that the sap was really effective for was loosening guys fingers, when they were trying to hold onto something to keep from being dragged to the cruiser!!! A couple raps, and they would let go.

One of the good stories that I heard when I was just a rookie, one of the older guys, tough as nails, two tours in the Marines before he joined up, told it about himself.

He had one of those older saps that were loaded with lead shot, sewn into a pocket. He was in a big barroom brawl, and this big tough guy was not cooperating. He slapped the guy up alongside the head with the sap and everything he had, which was a lot. He said he could still see it in his minds eye years later: he hit so hard that the leather and stitches split open, and the lead shot went flying every which way, and the guy never flinched, or even blinked. He looked at the officer, and calmly announced: "You shouldn't have done that". Then the fight was really on.

I'm sure that all of the old time cops on here could tell quite a lot of stories, but just knowing that officer, and the kind of guy he was, that was one of my favorite stories, even though it was not all that serious in retrospect, it has always just tickled me thinking of it. In all the twenty years I worked with that officer, I never again saw him flustered over anything. That might be one of the reasons that story amused me.

To 153: I had forgotten all about the bruising from the duty belt!!! Well, it was 40 years ago....

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Yeah, what I remember that the sap was really effective for was loosening guys fingers, when they were trying to hold onto something to keep from being dragged to the cruiser!!! A couple raps, and they would let go.

One of the good stories that I heard when I was just a rookie, one of the older guys, tough as nails, two tours in the Marines before he joined up, told it about himself.

He had one of those older saps that were loaded with lead shot, sewn into a pocket. He was in a big barroom brawl, and this big tough guy was not cooperating. He slapped the guy up alongside the head with the sap and everything he had, which was a lot. He said he could still see it in his minds eye years later: he hit so hard that the leather and stitches split open, and the lead shot went flying every which way, and the guy never flinched, or even blinked. He looked at the officer, and calmly announced: "You shouldn't have done that". Then the fight was really on.

I'm sure that all of the old time cops on here could tell quite a lot of stories, but just knowing that officer, and the kind of guy he was, that was one of my favorite stories, even though it was not all that serious in retrospect, it has always just tickled me thinking of it. In all the twenty years I worked with that officer, I never again saw him flustered over anything. That might be one of the reasons that story amused me.

To 153: I had forgotten all about the bruising from the duty belt!!! Well, it was 40 years ago....

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I had a similar situation with a rather large "Texas" sized sap, that was quite large. I hit the guy on the head as hard as I could, and he turned around un-fazed and looked at me and asked." please don't do that again"........After that, it was a stick and a stick only......The bigger, ...the better......
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Reading the above I remembered that I actually had bruises on my hips from the duty belt. Rookies had to carry a big Motorola "Brick" portable, as the veteran officers disliked the weight.

Bruises on the hips are a thing of the past though, I've much better padding these days!

Some of the stuff that was on the Sam Browne ...


Looking at that photo, I'm glad I ain't no cop in this day and time. They carry a lot more than I ever did in the old days. I see some of the locals carrying five or six fully load G-17 (some with the 33 rd mags.) mags, tazer, Asp, and two sets of cuffs, with other assorted items. If I fell in some water with all that, I'd drown.....When its all said and done, I bet they carry near to 30 lbs. of junk on their harness these days.........To me, that would slow one down too much.........But, I'm old school........
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Back when PCP was just coming in one skinny guy took on 6 deputy's. I used my sap and broke every bone in both of his wrists. It did not slow him down one bit he never dropped the pipe another deputy finally got him in a n unauthorized choke hold until the guy blacked out. The sheriff said the deputy was justified.


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Think about how many advances have been made in equipment over the years, though.... That enormous flashlight above for instance: big as it was, it was hampered by the incandescent bulb. Today's flashlights can probably be seen by the space station, and are very small and light weight in comparison, a shining achievement!! And today's pepper spray beats the snot (literally) out of that old "mace" I see there. Tasers are another shocking invention (ha, ha!, I can't help myself), which I wish we had had back in the day. Not even to get into firearms, but shoot, I'll admit that some of today's are ok, even if they lack the élan of our great old revolvers.

I still keep in touch with the police world, partly because I still teach criminal justice classes, and have so many graduates who are working in the field. Lots of new stuff out there, and not just for the beat cop, either, lots of new technology for solving crime and communicating.

But guess what? The job is still the same as when Sir Robert Peel started a revolution over in England with the Metropolitan Police Force back in 1829!!!

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I was working a part-time job as security at a motel that also had a lounge. Walking through the bar, I noticed a 6'3" male arguing with a female. I told him he needed to leave and he stuck a finger, almost the size of a Polish sausage, in my face and told me to mind my own business. I reached up and broke that finger, back on top of his hand.

The big son of a gun didn't even blink. He just said, "You shouldn't have done that." He then left, THANK THE LORD!!!

You just know that had to hurt the next morning. :0
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Back when PCP was just coming in one skinny guy took on 6 deputy's. I used my sap and broke every bone in both of his wrists. It did not slow him down one bit he never dropped the pipe another deputy finally got him in a n unauthorized choke hold until the guy blacked out. The sheriff said the deputy was justified.


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Man, the PCP stories from those days really bring back memories. I pulled up on a Kings Co. Deputy buddy of mine who was one big guy, trying to get an arm behind a subject on PCP. Now, this Deputy had played for the Dallas Cowboys and stronger than any two men I knew. He could not get the arm back to cuff the guy. The deputy was holding the suspect face-down, but was getting nowhere. I told the Deputy to scoot over a bit, and then jumped up and came down with both boots on the suspect's right shoulder. The shoulder broke and we were able to cuff him then. It was real fun when we got to tell the story on the witness stand in court. The defense attorney tried to accuse the Deputy of breaking the suspect's shoulder. I told the DA to put me on the stand and ask me the same question. He did and I was able to explain the need for breaking the suspect's should to the court's satisfaction. The suspect went away to prison for several years for assault on a peace officer, as well as being under the influence of PCP. This kind of occurrences were common in those days in the Central Valley of California.

To clarify a couple of points; the suspect was laying on his stomach and was still able to kick the Deputy in the back of a number of times. The Deputy was out of gas and was about to have to resort to a much higher level of violence when I arrived. Further, we both tried to pull his arm behind him before I went to work breaking things.
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Think about how many advances have been made in equipment over the years, though.... That enormous flashlight above for instance: big as it was, it was hampered by the incandescent bulb. Today's flashlights can probably be seen by the space station, and are very small and light weight in comparison, a shining achievement!! And today's pepper spray beats the snot (literally) out of that old "mace" I see there. Tasers are another shocking invention (ha, ha!, I can't help myself), which I wish we had had back in the day. Not even to get into firearms, but shoot, I'll admit that some of today's are ok, even if they lack the élan of our great old revolvers.

I still keep in touch with the police world, partly because I still teach criminal justice classes, and have so many graduates who are working in the field. Lots of new stuff out there, and not just for the beat cop, either, lots of new technology for solving crime and communicating.

But guess what? The job is still the same as when Sir Robert Peel started a revolution over in England with the Metropolitan Police Force back in 1829!!!

Best Regards, Les
You know, the funny thing about Mace......The wind was always blowing in the wrong direction. It was always me that got Maced,......... so, I got to where I didn't carry it....just out of self defense. I still hold my "black belt" in night stick from those days. That old stick to the chins took a lot of fight out those so inclined...........
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I don't know why this wasn't in the original picture I posted, but here is the old "brick" Motorola portable radio ...

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I know, you were saving the best for last!!! That's it. Those were the latest thing when I started, all the guys were bragging that they didn't have to use the "call boxes" any more when they walked the beat!!! These things were like magic!! Yes, I was still issued a key that fit the few remaining "call boxes", and was shown how to use it, cause some of the old timers didn't trust these new fangled portable radios. I don't think that I ever actuall used a call box in a real life situation though. But somewhere I still have my key, no one ever took it back, and I kept it as a keepsake. If I can find it, I'll post a picture of it. Some of you guys might be old enough to remember them.

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Great thread! Brings back many old memories. My first in 1986 was a M-13 which was a fine duty firearm. I switched to a 686 about a year later when I was allowed to carry the Federal 125 grain SJHP .357 Magnum load. I practiced a lot and reloaded .357, so the L frame seemed to be a better choice. When I got on SWAT in 1989 or so, I was allowed to carry a 659 which ended my on duty revolver days. Over the years I went to a 5906, 6906, Beretta 92FS, G17 Gen3 to my current G19 Gen 4.

I did carry a m-60 as a BUG and off duty for many years. Currently, my warm weather off duty carry is a 637.

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The year was 1975. 800 sworn So. Cal. Sheriff's Department. The issued weapon was the S&W 39-2. The thought was, the extra rounds in the mag and on the belt was a plus - and that the deputies doing prisoner transport could pop the mag disconnect and a prisoner could not overpower them and use the 9 mm against them.
Personally, I like the 39-2. In fact, When some Department bean counter decided we should go to the S&W 66 4 inch, I bought my 39-2 and still have it. Great gun to this day!
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