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What do you think of these babies???
I got some thug specials here. Any body know much about them? I shot the deuce deuce alot and its fun! I havent even shot the 6 shooter yet but its looks like a fun plinker.
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The bottom is a Phoenix Arms/Davis/Lorcin (same company). Bottom barrel ....waaay bottom barrel....
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Yes he is over due on robbing that asian liquor store for sure... They are some little jewels to look at for sure. I know that the 22 is a cheap pawn shop special for sure but the revolver I cant find much info on. I used to see lots of model 30s back a long time ago but I cant find jack on them now. I havent even shot the thing yet! 32 long is kinda hard and expensive to find these days too.
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Im thinking of putting medical tape around the handles of these babies to complete the thug pimp look...
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"He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun,
He got a razor in his shoe"
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"He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun,
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It had some pearl square butt grips that willie the pimp ingeniously put on there with some kind of plastic spacer on the back strap. I took those grips off and put these fake imitation round butt grips on it.
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A dear friend of mine, a retired LA County Deputy Sheriff, once told me that back in the day (pre-21st century; probably 1970s and 1980s) they often found these cheap Phoenix Arms/Davis/Lorcin pistols on street thugs. Apparently, back in those days, they could harass these punks with impunity so they did so. They'd take the guns away from them, harass them, and then give the guns back. But, as the story goes, these guns field stripped very easily so one of the cops would take the seized weapon apart, remove the firing pin, and then put it back together before returning it to the thug they took it from.
I can't prove the story but I always thought it was very funny.
Insofar as mother of pearl stocks are concerned, real or imitation, I never found them particularly attractive, just glitzy and gaudy. For years my cowboy action guns had Ajax Pearlite grips on them because that's how I acquired them but when one chipped I unhesitatingly switched them out to scrimshawed faux ivory - they looked SO MUCH better!
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A dear friend of mine, a retired LA County Deputy Sheriff, once told me that back in the day (pre-21st century; probably 1970s and 1980s) they often found these cheap Phoenix Arms/Davis/Lorcin pistols on street thugs. Apparently, back in those days, they could harass these punks with impunity so they did so. They'd take the guns away from them, harass them, and then give the guns back. But, as the story goes, these guns field stripped very easily so one of the cops would take the seized weapon apart, remove the firing pin, and then put it back together before returning it to the thug they took it from.
I can't prove the story but I always thought it was very funny.
Insofar as mother of pearl stocks are concerned, real or imitation, I never found them particularly attractive, just glitzy and gaudy. For years my cowboy action guns had Ajax Pearlite grips on them because that's how I acquired them but when one chipped I unhesitatingly switched them out to scrimshawed faux ivory - they looked SO MUCH better!
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I know a guy who collects them just because they are cheap and odd. No other reason. He works at a LGS so he has easy access to them (trade ins)
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Those guns are too nice to be a thugs.
Detroit in the 1960's thru 1970's would get a lot of the RG's and Rohm 22 short revolvers coming up from Ohio.
My first CCW arrest was a RG in a woman's purse in front of a Methadone Clinic on Jefferson. Now a days I think you have to get shot at before you can search some one.
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Glitzy or not the little 30 is a great gun, if you don't mind the caliber. I sold a blued one years ago for next to nothing when I was going back to college, wish I'd kept it! Next to no recoil and a real tack driver.
Happy shooting!
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A dear friend of mine, a retired LA County Deputy Sheriff, once told me that back in the day (pre-21st century; probably 1970s and 1980s) they often found these cheap Phoenix Arms/Davis/Lorcin pistols on street thugs. Apparently, back in those days, they could harass these punks with impunity so they did so. They'd take the guns away from them, harass them, and then give the guns back. But, as the story goes, these guns field stripped very easily so one of the cops would take the seized weapon apart, remove the firing pin, and then put it back together before returning it to the thug they took it from.
I can't prove the story but I always thought it was very funny.
Insofar as mother of pearl stocks are concerned, real or imitation, I never found them particularly attractive, just glitzy and gaudy. For years my cowboy action guns had Ajax Pearlite grips on them because that's how I acquired them but when one chipped I unhesitatingly switched them out to scrimshawed faux ivory - they looked SO MUCH better!
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Thats hilarious! The 22 is actually kinda tricky to take apart and put back together. You need a special tool, I use the end of a wood paint brush, to push in the firing pin and lift up the slide. Its fun and cheap to shoot but LOTS of FTFs. If I was a thug nasty the way of the revolver for sure! Easy sleazy my neezy.
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Glitzy or not the little 30 is a great gun, if you don't mind the caliber. I sold a blued one years ago for next to nothing when I was going back to college, wish I'd kept it! Next to no recoil and a real tack driver.
Happy shooting!
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yeah thats weird I used to see tons of model 30s back in the day now I cant find them at all.
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" You need a special tool, I use the end of a wood paint brush, to push in the firing pin and lift up the slide." Don't know this form personal experience but word on the street was that the back-end of a handcuff key worked well for that purpose...... Just what I was told..
Okay, so I's got's to asks. Is the's Model 30 factory nickel? Just dug my royal purple fuzzy floppy hat out the closet in case my lost cap gun finds it's way back to Texas. ROTFLOL Regards, hardcase60
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" You need a special tool, I use the end of a wood paint brush, to push in the firing pin and lift up the slide." Don't know this form personal experience but word on the street was that the back-end of a handcuff key worked well for that purpose...... Just what I was told..
Okay, so I's got's to asks. Is the's Model 30 factory nickel? Just dug my royal purple fuzzy floppy hat out the closet in case my lost cap gun finds it's way back to Texas. ROTFLOL Regards, hardcase60
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Yes it is definitely nickel plated by the factory for sure. The previous pimp most have taken care of this thing well after a hard days work and we all know pimpin aint easy!
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It was a great score for sure! I looked into the birthday of the little model 30 and its a 69 baby. Would make a pimp proud!
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The J-frame faux ivory grips look pretty good and feel very nice on the revolver.
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If that Model 30 ever needs a new home then guess who is next on the adoption list???? Telephone, telegraph, tell somebody to get a hold of me.
Someone I use to know once had a pimp shotgun that was a nickel plated 16ga twice barrel with gold accents that would fit into a standard size briefcase. Me thinks that sweet thing went down in a boat sinking on the Texas gulf coast during a hurricane. hardcase60
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Those grips look sweeter than a pimp in a drop top caddy on Sunday. I like both the guns. I gave the dueces to my gf and she loves it! The 32 revolver is on duty with me right now. It weighs about the same as the model 36 i used to carry before.
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I got some thug specials here. Any body know much about them? I shot the deuce deuce alot and its fun! I havent even shot the 6 shooter yet but its looks like a fun plinker.
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You have a nice Model 30-1 3" J frame. It does look like factory nickel. At least the non-nickeled hammer and trigger are proper factory protocol. You may even find and N under the barrel or the side of the grip frame to confirm it.
The hammer spur is bent however like it's been dropped.
The grips that came with it are after market conversion grips from round to sq butt and were popular at one time when folks couldn't find the model 31-1 which was the same gun but w/sq butt grip frame.
There has been a surge in collecting the 32s and the market has dried up a bit.
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The J-frame faux ivory grips look pretty good and feel very nice on the revolver.
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That's another beauty! And even more desirable since it's a New Model I frame with flat latch, pre 1961 conversion to the J frame. If model stamped Mod 30 it's post June 1957. If not, it's a "Model of 1953 .32 Hand Ejector" New I frame, a "Pre Model 30".
The grips are actually I & J frame size since the New model 1953 I frame and J frames introduced the same size 1/8" longer grip frames on both.
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You have a nice Model 30-1 3" J frame. It does look like factory nickel. At least the non-nickeled hammer and trigger are proper factory protocol. You may even find and N under the barrel or the side of the grip frame to confirm it.
The hammer spur is bent however like it's been dropped.
The grips that came with it are after market conversion grips from round to sq butt and were popular at one time when folks couldn't find the model 31-1 which was the same gun but w/sq butt grip frame.
There has been a surge in collecting the 32s and the market has dried up a bit.
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Thats interesting that this was a conversion grip kit. Yes it does have an N or a Z depends on which way you look at it. So what does that mean??
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That's another beauty! And even more desirable since it's a New Model I frame with flat latch, pre 1961 conversion to the J frame. If model stamped Mod 30 it's post June 1957. If not, it's a Model of 1953 New I frame, a "Pre Model 30".
The grips are actually I & J frame size since the New model 1953 I frame and J frames introduced the same size larger grip frames on both.
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Yes, it is a 30 no dash.
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Thats interesting that this was a conversion grip kit. Yes it does have an N or a Z depends on which way you look at it. So what does that mean??
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It is an original factory nickel plated gun when it was shipped new.
Originally blue guns would have a B.
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It is an original factory nickel plated gun when it was shipped new.
Originally blue guns would have a B.
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Thanks for the info. Do you know a good source for parts and parts numbers for these model 30s?
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I do have a parts list but not that I can post. Let me know the parts and I can look up a number. Although knowing the gun vintage you have is probably more help. Many different model parts of the same frame size interchange.
Sources:
S&W CS/Parts Dept
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1-800-331-0852 (USA)
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Contact Us - Smith & Wesson
Good sources you probably use already are E-bay and Gunbroker. Set up a search for "smith wesson parts". Some listings are kits of used parts that are usually from guns destroyed by law enforcement with some to all of the parts except the frame included in the kits. You can generally win the entire parts kit for the price of the part that you want if you had bought it new.
Brownells: Gunsmithing supplies, equipment, gun parts, technical advice.
Mail Address: 200 South Front Street, Montezuma, IA 50171
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Web Site: World's Largest Supplier of Gun Parts, Gunsmith Tools & Shooting Accessories - Brownells
"Aonepawninc" http://stores.ebay.com/aonepawninc
has a bunch of S&W parts for sale. I just ordered a complete hammer for my pre model 30 from them. They are very customer oriented and have very reasonable prices. 1/10/16
Dave Bennett: Parts and guns from 1900 up to 1970's.
e-Mail: [email protected]
Web Site: www.22ammobox.com
David Clements - Clements Custom Guns
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Woodlawn, VA 24381
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Clements Custom Guns
Charlie Duffy: Parts for Pre-WWII S&W's.
Phone: 845-679-8136
e-Mail: [email protected]
Jack First: Large selection of Pre- and Post-WWII parts. Sells working
parts to FFL dealers only.
Phone: 605-343-9544
Gun Parts Corp: Successor to Numrich Arms; many guns parts.
226 Williams Lane, West Hurley, NY 12491
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Jim Horvath: Many parts for all S&W's (large and small) from 1860 up;
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Jeff Lee: Lee's Gun Parts (an extensive supply of gun parts, including S&W)
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3401 W. Pioneer, Suite 2, Irving, TX 75061
Phone: 972-790-0773
www.leesgunparts.com/
Jan Matlega: Parts for Pre-WWII S&W hand-ejectors.
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Phone: 860-229-6872
Poppert's Gun Parts: http://www.poppertsgunparts.com/
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Charlie Pate: Provides screws (original & reproduction) for S&W Tip-ups and Top-breaks; author of books and articles on S&W guns.
Phone: 703-533-8057
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Phil Saccacio: Phone: 540-456-6405
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Dave Szilagy: Manufactures parts for older S&W's.
Mail Address: 3107 Electric, Lincoln Park, MI 48146
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Mike Veilleux: Guns and Gun Parts
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Liberty Tree Collectors Phone:207-285-3111
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Liberty tree collectors has original, CCH lanyard rings (but without the retaining pin) for $25.
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"The hammer spur is bent however like it's been dropped."
Don't try to straighten this. They will almost invariably break if you do.
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Don't try to straighten this. They will almost invariably break if you do.
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I actually thought about bobbing this hammer because I actually carry this revolver. Not sure if i want to yet though.
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Might as well trystraightening it then. You have nothing to lose if it breaks which it probably will. If it does then you can shop for an orihina hammer to have with the gun. If it doesn't you can shop for a bobbed hammer which will be cheaper usually.
You can replace it with any Model of 1953 I frame .32 and .38 S&W model hammer, or J frame hammer from a .32, .38 S&W, or .38 Special up to about 1962 with the ball mount strut rod like your gun has.
Or a hammer for the J frames from 1961 thru 1997-8 when the firing pin was removed from the hammer nose and mounted in the frame. But get the 1962 and later forked strut rod to use with it shown here:
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Might as well trystraightening it then. You have nothing to lose if it breaks which it probably will. If it does then you can shop for an orihina hammer to have with the gun. If it doesn't you can shop for a bobbed hammer which will be cheaper usually.
You can replace it with any Model of 1953 I frame .32 and .38 S&W model hammer, or J frame hammer from a .32, .38 S&W, or .38 Special up to about 1962 with the ball mount strut rod like your gun has.
Or a hammer for the J frames from 1961 thru 1997-8 when the firing pin was removed from the hammer nose and mounted in the frame. But get the 1962 and later forked strut rod to use with it shown here:
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What is the part number of the hammer?
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The correct hammer for your gun is #5283.
The post 1962 hammer that will also work is #5280 with the forked main spring stirrup #5486.
These numbers are from the Parts list/Instruction sheet that came with the gun.
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