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11-15-2016, 02:50 PM
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model 25 problem? Please help
Hey. Just took possession of a 1961 vintage model 25. Looks new. I pulled the trigger a couple of times (not live ammo) to get a feel for it and after 2 or 3, the trigger would only go back a small way-then it was locked. I could pull on the hammer and easily free it up. It would do this on some pulls but not all. Now it is working perfectly- very smooth and well, best trigger on any of my guns. What are your thoughts? Anything to worry about?
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Dewy
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11-15-2016, 02:57 PM
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My GUESS (for what that may be worth to you) is some crud got caught on or behind the sear causing the trigger to not engage correctly. Pulling the hammer caused the crud to shift. I suppose it could also be the trigger locking up in it's interaction with the sear due to some basic fit problem. I am confident that someone MUCH MORE experienced than I am will dive in soon. If it was just crud it isn't much of a problem, a good sideplate off cleaning will take care of it.
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11-15-2016, 03:30 PM
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I think you are right. I've been messing with it for quite a while now and all is perfect. Would still like to hear anybody's thoughts before I actually shoot the gun. Friday is the big day for its debut on the farm. Can't wait- I've never shot a .45.
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11-15-2016, 03:41 PM
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Who knows how long that gun sat without any movement of the action. I suspect the action is dry and may even have had a micro coat of rust on the contact surfaces. Once you got the action moving again you probably scraped it all clean.
If you're comfortable doing it, take off the side plate, lightly lube and wipe off the contact surfaces. Sometimes, without taking off the side plate, I just put a few drops of light oil in the action through to small openings at the hammer, trigger, hand window and firing pin bushing. I work the action a few times and then blow it out with compressed air. I follow that with lighter fluid to wash out the residue. Work the action again a few times and blow it out again.
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11-15-2016, 04:32 PM
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Hello Dewey, nice gun. Open the cyl. and look at the ratchet on the extractor. Any nicks? Look on the end of the hand. Look nice and flat? Just a thought.Was probably just goo on the trigger/hammer. Best.
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11-15-2016, 04:39 PM
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I would pop the side plate and remove everything and give it all a good cleaning, replace it all and lube. If you're not comfortable with this, take it to a smith who knows what he's doing and have him do the same.
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11-15-2016, 06:14 PM
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If that is your EDC firearm, I would have it professionally looked at... just for peace of mind. Not having total confidence in your EDC firearm is not a good place to be. Doubt is not worth your life.
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11-20-2016, 03:55 AM
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Not likely crud, but rather old grease and oils dried and hardened. Very common for a gun that old and seldom or never lubricated since new.
The lubrication properties of the past don't hold a candle to the new stuff available that's steeped in chemistry!
Old gun cleaning and safety check protocol for heirlooms & new gun owners:
Simply put, the only usual issue with these marvels of yesteryear is they are gummed up and dirty. Old oils of its time do not match the quality of these old guns nor the science of today, and actually dry up and harden to the point of impeding operation and accelerating wear. The simple solution does not need a gunsmith or removal of the side plate. Just one of many premium modern gun care products from any sporting goods, gun store or hardware store.
Most are both cleaning and preserving agents; Breakfree, Kroil & M-Pro7 are some of the best, but not WD-40, and there are others. Disassembly is not necessary. With grips removed and a spray can version of the product, flood and flush the revolver thru every opening and crevice until the black gunk stops flowing out, let it drain for an hour and wipe it down thoroughly with the same product.
Scrub barrel bore and cylinder chambers with a simple cleaning rod kit found at the same places as the cleaning agents above and scrub any observed exterior and crevice crud with an old toothbrush with bristles cut off short for stiffness.
You have a quality made, very well engineered, assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable to produce on a competitive market basis, and the likes of which we'll never see again, ever.
To remove grips: loosen the grip screw completely and carefully push down on the screw head until the bottom grip separates, then remove. Now carefully push the top side grip off with a finger or toothbrush from the backside thru the grip frame.
Polishing and an application of wax, Renaissance wax is a popular one, will make the gun look much better if you want something to do while watching the news!
Once cleaned and lubricated, with a few simple checks you can determine if it’s safe to use. Open the cylinder and verify the barrel is unobstructed. Cock the hammer in single action mode. Gently push on the hammer to confirm that it will not drop w/o pulling the trigger. Cock the hammer slowly and confirm the cylinder locks in position for each of the 6 chambers about the same time the hammer cocks. If satisfactory, now operate the gun in DA pulling the trigger slowly; again confirm the cyl locks before the hammer drops. After each cycling of the action, confirm that the cyl is still locked in position.
Cylinders can have fore and aft movement and rotational movement. Check rotational movement with the hammer cocked; there shouldn't be much when cocked. That's all that is really important from a safety concern. Then unless you experience 'spitting' at the barrel/cyl gap when fired, you have no reason for concern.
You have a quality made, very well engineered, assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and the likes of which we'll never see again.
Shoot it to your hearts delight, and it will delight you with its fine accuracy.
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