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As bad as us old guys hate to hear it, the only one who cares about grandmas stuff is grampaw.

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I have my father's war trophy guns and much of his other wartime mementos. I appreciate them. I also appreciate what he did as a soldier during WW-II. Having said that, they actually mean more to me than they did to him in his later years. He gave away many things that were relics of his wartime experiences that I would have loved to have. When I asked why he gave them away he said "What? That old stuff? I didn't think you'd be interested." I made it very clear that I wanted everything he had left. I still have it and I will never sell it.

Now, my daughter probably has no real interest in the items I have from my dad. The Nazi lectern banner is viewed as a symbol of hate, not a piece of history that was captured when her grandfather fought his way into the U-Boat pens in Brest, France in September 1944. Nor is the P-08 and it's issued holster a symbol and token of the surrender given to my dad by the leader of a squad of German soldiers from the hedgerows of Normandy. The Luger will just be another icky gun. My daughter hardly knew her grandfather. Not because he was a bad man, quite the contrary, but because my ex wife alienated me and by proxy, my parents from her life.

My daughter will have no interest in my collection of firearms either. I have no doubts that if she inherits them, they will be sold as fast as possible for what ever she is offered for them. But, hopefully that is a log way off. I just hope that one day I'll have a grandchild that will interested in the items and learning about their great-grandfather. If not, I have told my current wife, that if something happens to me, to call a certain couple of friends and have them help her sell the ones they don't want. If possible, give the war trophies to a museum.
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Dang it, I have read all the post, and enjoyed them, but very early here there was mention of "crested boobies" and i was sure someone would post a photo of these crested boobies. O well, just have to let my imagination continue on as we discuss the hand me downs. Lucky my only son has gotten rapped up in pistols and will keep most of what I have accumulated. I hope the grandson like what I leave them, if not, they can trade for a glock.
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Well, being a grandpa, I kind of take offense at those who say we were or might have been bad guys. Its just as likely or maybe even more so the grand kid is worthless and into electronic toys or drugs. We have different feelings about stuff. I collect things and pretty much consider the money I pay to be an expense. If my heirs don't want it, they can trash it or give it away to the bums (homeless these days, but the same thing.)

When my own father died, my anti-gun mother wanted to be fair. So we started splitting them up. I got the two of family value and then told my brother to take the rest. He took after mom and was also anti gun. When my wife's father died, she got most of them to keep them away from my worthless nephew. So I did the smart thing, I gave them away to our sons. Easy, they wanted them, I didn't, I've got less to care for.

So in the upcoming event when I croak, I have no really guns with strong family meaning. Some with significant value. My instructions, which I kind of expect my wife to ignore, is to just call David Carroll and have him stop up. I trust him and have seen him liquidate other collections. While my goal would be for him to get as much for her as he can if she does it some other way, she's the one losing out. I even yield to her idea of getting something to remember old dad by. Give them the ones he doesn't think he can sell! If the attraction is that the gun was owned by dear old dad, all of "my" guns have been that.

Other stuff can be viewed the same. We go to antique shows and spend money on things we like. The total can be staggering, but with little hope of ever recovering the money, or at least without a lot of effort. Same as the guns. Yeah, my things kind of own me, and I love it. When it gets tiring, I'll dump them.
Really? That's how you read it? Lots of people become grandparents, not all of them are/were good people. All you need to do is have a kid and we all know there are lots of bad dad's. People who can physically have kids but doesn't mean they have a fatherly personality.

Even Stalin had grandkids. And so no one gets confused I'm NOT saying you are like him or you like him or anything like that.

This seller had little interaction with his grandfather. Maybe there's a reason!

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That's a beautiful Model 19 you got, sir. Congratulations are in order.

This thread made me remember of a witty saying:

"My worst fear is that when I die, my wife will sell my stuff for what I told her I paid for it".

My wife thinks all my guns cost me $200 each. Hope she doesn't offer them for sale at half that price when I die.
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My 2" blue 34 was a "grandpa's" gun......Answered a post in our area swap/sell/trade rag.......Feller in his 30's had it and didn't want it-wanted $$$.....So I bought his grandpa's gun
.....When I die......I'll be gone so it won't matter much how they're disposed of......BUT...I do plan to enjoy them long as I can pull a trigger....
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Well in 4 billion years the sun will supernova and incinerate the Earth and every last S&W along with it. Gramps gun won't matter much then.
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I recently posted on a local forum to sell or trade a Glock of some description just to move it from the safe. I offered it for a small sale price but really wanted to trade for a Smith revolver.
I got a response from a young guy who said he had some interest if we could get together. We met at a local burger joint had a small lunch and went to the car where he showed me his revolver and I showed him my Glock.
He told me his grandfather had passed away and left him this beautiful Model 19-4 Nickel plated with target hammer and trigger.
I asked if we could deal he said yes he really wanted the Glock and then supprised me by saying that he wasn't a revolver guy and didn't know his grandfather that well.
I walked away with this beautiful Smith & Wesson Model 19 and a sad feeling about the poor grandad!
Took it home cleaned it up and removed the grips to find grandpa's name inscribed on the inside of the frame.
I will keep it just to remember him and perhaps pass it along to a great grand child of mine with the sad story of how i came to have it.
About 5 years ago, I wandered into my local gun shop. Small place and 95% plastic ****. I see a pristine 19-2 4". Tag facing down. I ask to see it. Tag said $249! I got it for $263 out the door. Kid working counter said he just got it in that morning. Old lady sold it to him. Not a mark on it. Probably sat in a sock drawer since 1967 when it was made. Pinned and recessed. Diamond target stocks numbered to gun.

I sold it a few months later for triple my money. It was just so nice I was afraid to shoot it. I surely regret that sale. More than any other.
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Dang it, I have read all the post, and enjoyed them, but very early here there was mention of "crested boobies" and i was sure someone would post a photo of these crested boobies. O well, just have to let my imagination continue on as we discuss the hand me downs.
No "crested" booby but here is a pair of boobies (red footed). There is also a blue-footed and I bet you can guess what distinguishes them from the red-footed!
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I recently posted on a local forum to sell or trade a Glock of some description just to move it from the safe. I offered it for a small sale price but really wanted to trade for a Smith revolver.
I got a response from a young guy who said he had some interest if we could get together. We met at a local burger joint had a small lunch and went to the car where he showed me his revolver and I showed him my Glock.
He told me his grandfather had passed away and left him this beautiful Model 19-4 Nickel plated with target hammer and trigger.
I asked if we could deal he said yes he really wanted the Glock and then supprised me by saying that he wasn't a revolver guy and didn't know his grandfather that well.
I walked away with this beautiful Smith & Wesson Model 19 and a sad feeling about the poor grandad!
Took it home cleaned it up and removed the grips to find grandpa's name inscribed on the inside of the frame.
I will keep it just to remember him and perhaps pass it along to a great grand child of mine with the sad story of how i came to have it.
Really, that's not a sad story, it's a happy ending for all parties involved.

He isn't a revolver fan and didn't know his grandfather that well, and he was left with a gun he wasn't very enthused with. He was able to convert that for free into a Glock (low maintenance, high capacity, cheaper rounds likely), which is what he wanted. If he likes the Glock, he will remember that it came his way for free via grandad's revolver, and might have an appreciation that way.

You moved a gun you weren't excited over, in return for a gun you value highly.

Both parties think they win, which means they both did.
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I use to spend most of my free time on several International watch forums.Many members around the world would check eBay in the states to find inherited Swiss watches for sale by our youths for redicously low prices,not knowing what they had been left.They know the Rolex name,but not any of the high end watch brand names and let them go for a song.I don't know why anyone would let an heirloom go,especially without research it.Gun or watch.
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Hope she doesn't offer them for sale at half that price when I die.
Well they are used.

Its been my observation that non-gun women split into two classes. The one thinks their hubby could do no wrong and anything he bought and abused is now worth more, or the other thinks his stuff really cost what he said and will take any "reasonable" offer for it.
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Well in 4 billion years the sun will supernova and incinerate the Earth and every last S&W along with it. Gramps gun won't matter much then.
Thank you, Mary Sunshine, for THAT ray of hope!
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This thread really hit home as I'll be 73 shortly, have a number of pistols, rifles, and shotguns, and two boys. I'm still pretty active: I shoot USPSA in LGC matches, and bagged a 10 point whitetail deer in Kansas last December.

I have told the boys to start thinking about what guns in which they have the most interest. I plan on having them choose one at a time until they are distributed. I hope they will keep some to honor the "old man's memory," but if they don't, I won't know a thing about it.
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Well like he said he didn't know his granpa that well and he wasn't a revolver type. I can see that happening.
Myself I would never trade that revolver for a Glock. I am guessing the kid might someday wish he hadn't traded it off.
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Maybe......just maybe......over on the Glock Forum (if there is one) this morning there might be a post from some member that goes " dang........check out this real sweet Glock I got in return for some ancient old wheel gun that the whole world knows are not worth **** anymore."

Then the replies " boy...you did good", "that's sure enough a sweet deal", "those wheel gun nuts never did come into the modern age", "you did right getting rid of that old thing"

Sound familiar? I say to each his own and all those Colt treasures that I could not possibly live without, that have now been sold or traded to accumulate more S&W (my current big time interest)...I don't miss em a bit.

Funny thing too, there are a few Colts left in the safe, marked for the kids that really wanted them, but the real thing is the look in any of the kids, or now the grandkids when they show up and WANT to learn gun safety, walk in the woods, with a pistol, revolver, rifle in their hands.....unheard of in some parts of our country....so value what you have in your "stuff", in your kids/relatives/grandkids while you can.
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This thread reminds me of a story told by a guy I worked with back in the 1980s. He was an older guy and had some really nice long guns he had accumulated in his hunting days, circa 1950ish.

He sat his sons down and told them how he didn’t want to wait till he died before he gave them each something he cherished. One son got a bolt action Winchester rifle, the other, a high grade Browning O/U.

Both guns were sold within a week and the money was used to pay bills.
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At the end of the...day, Its just STUFF!
Exactly...and as I get older,stuff means less and less.I used to be an avid collector of a variety of stuff.Now,I'm quite content to see a lot of it go.
Heresy to most of you,but my Smith collection now only consists of a 41 and a 17.I'm a rimfire guy-one auto,one revolver,who really needs more?and I'm not even shooting these.(and I don't subscribe to the investment thing.) I enjoyed all of the many others for a time,and that time passed.They didn't have to stay here forever.Just one of many interests and I guess that my upbringing wasn't so poor that I must permanently attach myself to every material thing that I can get my grubby mitts on.
I don't get the notion of a mass of stuff never going away or a relative's stuff going nowhere.My father told me to always use my own best judgment with what stays and what goes-to suit myself.He has no great emotional involvement in anything that he bought for himself or me. My only regret with moving stuff has been an occasional price that wasn't enough,but in the end,I achieved my goal,which was more important that the money.
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My dad had guns, there was no specification in the will, and the estate is still being parceled out. Only gun I received was a Czech Mauser, and that's because I got my son interested in guns, and he has a a liking for old surplus rifles.
My oldest brother got a Colt 1911, but that was because he had bought it for Dad himself.
My brother in law was the only one stipulated to receive a gun, my dad's single shot 16 gauge High Standard shotgun, but THAT was because my dad and the other son in law didn't receive any guns from my maternal grandfather, and Dad wanted to make sure that didn't happen again.
My other brother has dibs on a S&W .38 Special snubbie, he isn't an avid gun collecter but he figured he would take that one, if we were all picking in rotation to get one. To him, it would be an heirloom, so that's fine with us.

We don't really know the other guy's full story, we don't know if he received another heirloom; or if he said what he did as a way of saying "no, it's ok, I will make the trade". If he's interested in a shooter, wants to sling a lot downrange, or use it as a truck or nightstand gun instead of in a safe, the Glock is a more practical choice.

We're facing a similar, but non-firearm related, situation with Mom's stuff now. She collected antique Fiesta plates, and since I was her ebay buyer, I know how much was paid for these dishes (we might have the equivalent of a couple custom Les Baer 1911's in that collection). Her only concern was that they wouldn't be boxed up and sold for $5 in a yard sale; luckily I was well-enough informed to keep from doing so.
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If the kids & grand kids didn't carry pop's old war & hunting guns off to the local gunshop or gunshow to sell, then we'd never have much chance to own some of these treasures ourselves.
That they don't want them or just don't have any appreciation for them is their business. Everyone is different and there's usually a back story in most familys anyway.

Once you're gone, you;ve lost any control over the situation and beer & pizza money may be all your prized pre-war safe queen becomes to the next custodian.

I admit I've wondered how someone could sell off some of the things I've been blessed with being in the right place at the right time w/ some cash in hand.
A Webley MkIV 455 w/ holster and belt and a few rounds of Kynoch ammo was one of my very first such buys. The young L/E officer was left it by his Great Grandfather, a WW1 vet of a Scotts Regiment. It meant $65 cash to him,,it means a whole lot more to me.
But where it goes after me,,who knows. Maybe someone cuts the bbl down, chrome plates it and shaves the cyl to 45cp. That old 1913 dated holster?,,piece of smelly old leather,,throw it away..
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I'd be willing to bet, if mine are still around when my kids or grandkids get to cleaning up when I'm gone, they won't care two hoots in heck about them, and they'll be sold ASAP.
Not to rush and no ill will intended but can I go ahead and leave my contact info with them??? (just kidding)
Congrats to the OP on a fine trade... both dollar wise and a better place for the gun to be IMO.
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On the flip side, that grandfather might be just as happy to know it will be kept well and with the respect he gave it.
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I work part time as an auctioneer. We do mostly Estate sales. It's amazing the stuff we see and sell that no member of the family wanted I guess. Times have changed. While some of us would make room for family heirlooms, today's generation doesn't seem to care about such things. Makes me wonder if they cared about the person who owned it. We sell an old rifle or shotgun once in a while which usually brings 2-3 times what you or I would pay for it, but just last weekend there was a box of pictures from a friend's estate. He had no relatives who cared enough to take the photos and keep them for their kids?
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Besides there may be a reason he doesn't know his grandpa too well. Bad and unsavory people become grandpas too!

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He said he didn't know his grandpa that well. Grandkids typically start driving around 16 - 18. Before that it requires parents to drive you. If he didn't know grandpa that well he didn't interact with him most of his life. Can't just hop in a car when your 12

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I will never run across a deal like that because I have never owned or ever will onw a plastic brick to trade...
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Yeah... It kind of breaks your heart doesn't it. But on the up side you got a deal I hope. I am betting he traded you straight across didn't he? Or did you make him throw in some cash to go with it...LOL If one of my grandsons pulled a stunt like that he would be disowned by the rest of the family or at least ignored at Christmas dinner. Like trading grandpa's zippo for a bic lighter...Sad.
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I recently posted on a local forum to sell or trade a Glock of some description just to move it from the safe. I offered it for a small sale price but really wanted to trade for a Smith revolver.
I got a response from a young guy who said he had some interest if we could get together. We met at a local burger joint had a small lunch and went to the car where he showed me his revolver and I showed him my Glock.
He told me his grandfather had passed away and left him this beautiful Model 19-4 Nickel plated with target hammer and trigger.
I asked if we could deal he said yes he really wanted the Glock and then supprised me by saying that he wasn't a revolver guy and didn't know his grandfather that well.
I walked away with this beautiful Smith & Wesson Model 19 and a sad feeling about the poor grandad!
Took it home cleaned it up and removed the grips to find grandpa's name inscribed on the inside of the frame.
I will keep it just to remember him and perhaps pass it along to a great grand child of mine with the sad story of how i came to have it.
I was in a similar situation.

I inherited a first year 3 digit SN Ruger Single Six from my Dad.

I held onto it for a lot of years, but I didn't like the gun, just not my thing. My Father was not a sentimentalist.

When asked what he wanted us to do when he died, he said, "Shake the Hearth"

So after mulling it over for years, I decided if I wanted to remember my Dad with that gun, I would sell it and use the cash to get something that I would always use and thank him everyday.

I got about $750 for the Ruger, bought a NIB un-shot S&W 342PD. Which cost me $750, how about that!

I got that piece because it weighs under 11oz and it is in my pocket everyday, even in shorts.

Everyday I slip that sweet thing in my pocket and say thanx Dad!

I know my Dad would be pleased with this solution.

... if the Ruger had been a Model 19, I would have kept it though...
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He said he didn't know his grandpa that well.
Yeah but you have to wonder how he ended up with the revolver if he didn't know him that well. Did he just get it in the big grab fest that happens when people die without a will or did his grandfather leave it to him in a will? Typically grandchildren don't automatically get things from an estate unless it is willed to them as they are seldom the closest living relative in a will-less estate.

So if the old dude liked him enough to leave it to him he expected him to remember him by it or at least remember that he cared enough to leave it to him.

I imagine he is quite happy now with all the cool factor of strutting around with his cool looking Glock. I am betting he didn't want it for competition but maybe he did.
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Once you're gone, you;ve lost any control over the situation and beer & pizza money may be all your prized pre-war safe queen becomes to the next custodian.
Well my plan is to leave them to a family member or be buried with them. I don't care about the AR's and a lot of them but the idea of my hard earned revolver collection going for pizza just chaps my hide. The beer I might understand a little more if it was good beer and not swill.
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I will never run across a deal like that because I have never owned or ever will onw a plastic brick to trade...
They are not a bad gun just like a Bic lighter is not a bad lighter but you wouldn't leave one to your progeny now would you.
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I read posts like this and feel fortunate that I have two sons who will get a great deal of enjoyment out of what I have accumulated over the years. They both have started their own modest collections and enjoy going to the range. I only hope there is a place to shoot when the time comes.

In the meantime, I shall do my part to give a good home to any unwanted S&W, Winchester or 20th Century military firearm.
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Well in 4 billion years the sun will supernova and incinerate the Earth and every last S&W along with it. Gramps gun won't matter much then.
Not really............
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I have most of my grandfather’s guns. I inherited them from my parents in a sort of uncomfortable way.
We are talking about 6 long guns, most of which he started collecting around 1948 after he was discharged from his service as an army surgeon and he had his family settled down nicely. The guns actually came to me from my mother after my father had passed away. I had not given them much thought until she told me that she had asked the police to come and take them away because they made her nervous to have in the house. As luck would have it the police said she would have to bring them in if she wanted them destroyed and she didn’t have the energy to do that.
When I found out about this I told her to stop, I would take them, and I bought a safe. I saved from destruction a 1948 Winchester Model 12, a 1948 Winchester Model 70 in 30-06, Winchester double barrels in 12 and 20 gauge from the same vintage, a 22 bolt action with no SN from around the same time that is a little clone of the Model 70, and a pump action 22 that’s marked as a Trailblazer.
Our mom didn’t even ask us if we wanted the guns, she just called the cops and asked them to take them away. Thankfully the cops in our town don’t do that and now they’re in my safe.
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I inherited virtually nothing from my Dad's estate due to 2 greedy brothers and my sister. My father was good to me but not into guns at all. I do have a grandson who will probably receive most of my stuff, thats fine by me as he is a really good boy.Finding a great deal on the 19-4 revolver is great as we all deserve a good deal on occasion. You sure got a pretty one.
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If the kids & grand kids didn't carry pop's old war & hunting guns off to the local gunshop or gunshow to sell, then we'd never have much chance to own some of these treasures ourselves...snip
True. I'm still waiting for one of those bring back Thompson M-1A1, MP-38/40, Stg-44, Garand, M-3, M-2, etc., that have been hiding in the old foot locker in the attic to come my way.
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Another possibility is that there was no "grandpa" and the gun was gotten some other way, maybe in a trade, or possibly stolen.

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That is one damn fine 19. Enjoy it.

After reading some of these I feel really blessed. My adult son and I share the hunting, shooting, loading hobby. When I go he'll get it all as his sister isn't into it. I get a good amount of satisfaction knowing that every thing I have and will have will continue to give my and my son's progeny entertainment and security for a long time to come. I do agree. They are just things to collect.
Side note: My Grandpa was the man in my life too from 5 on. I got his mechanical intuition and followed him in the millwrights trades. When he passed I inherited his tools. Still use them today then my son will have them. Don't fret for his sister my wife and I have many types of collectibles around.
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Usually its for quick cash for the latest electronic toy or drugs or whatever tweaks their interest at the moment.
See this in the LGS all the time.
In fact, today they gave $275 for an inherited 27-2 in like new condition.
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My father in law gave me a German Mauser that he got from his uncle,
Who served in WW II. 8MM Mauser ammo. I don't know if it was a bring back. It had all the nazi markings and everything matched up. But it had been sporterized and reblued. New European stock installed. Just wasn't original.

I sold that one. Didn't feel bad and I doubt my father in law would care. He isn't a gun guy at all.
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Several years ago I was at the "Barbershop" one Saturday, guys often trade guns there. The owner, a friend of mine showed me this little gem. A young fellow had come in and asked if he could keep it there in case anyone was interested in buying it. I was. It had belonged to his grandfather. I had already missed out on the Baby Brownung in its original rug, and a bunch of other gems. I liked it so much that I added the ivory stocks:



It had been customized supposedly by an old Baltimore Policeman many years ago. Colt Army Special from 1925, factory work stamped, and what I believe is factory checkering on the front and backstraps, and customized hammer:



If it had been given to me when my grandfather passed away, there is no way I would have ever sold it.

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All of my children have expressed interest in one or more of my firearms. I have my father's LE weapons and intend to pass them down to our son. I'm glad they have an interest, but would not be upset if they did not want to keep my entire collection. They know the history of most of my collection and hope they will share their favorite memories and keep selected peices. Nice M19 there. Great trade.
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True. I'm still waiting for one of those bring back Thompson M-1A1, MP-38/40, Stg-44, Garand, M-3, M-2, etc., that have been hiding in the old foot locker in the attic to come my way.
Our County Prosecutor's Office had a Thompson that had been turned in by a WW2 Vet's widow. They brought it out once a year during recruit firearms training. That's all I know about that story.
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I hope no revenoors are reading this. Your transfer was illegal.
In California or any similar Fascist State that would be true, but in some States of the Union a "paperless" transaction would be totally legal.

It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking everyone in America is under the same laws, but we're not.

In fact, many people have tremendous difficulty understanding that people in other countries live fundamentally very different lives and think in very different ways. This provincial thinking isn't just "to-may-to" vs "to-mah-to", its like the difference between "live and let live" vs "Join my religion or I will kill you."

This seems to be the biggest challenge facing humans today, and a prudent man will be prepared by "keeping his powder dry."

The OP got a stunning gun in a fair trade -- because both participants walked away happy. I have a modest collection which includes a very fun variety of pistols and revolvers, and when I start selling them off (because I have no one to leave them to) my Smiths (a 29-2, a 19-2, a 15-2, and a 37) will be the last to go. None of them belonged to family, but they all have stories, and the J-frame belonged to a girlfriend, who has since passed away.

Yes, they are just things. I have a friend who said he couldn't understand why people collected antiques. He was born in Berlin in 1930, and when he was growing up no one wanted things that were "old." That stuff went into the trash.

I told him that for some people antiques connected them to a different time and or place. It's not the thing, it's the connection. My 1916 P08 Luger "feels" like history. My 1927 Martin Sax feels differently than a new one. When an item was owned and maybe cherished by a loved one, the connection is personal.

These feelings we have are why, when selling something cherished, we often want assurance that the buyer will cherish it as well. Buyers know this and will often say something like: "I love this and will keep it forever," even though they plan on flipping it, and already have a buyer in mind.

Such is the nature of humans...
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In California or any similar Fascist State that would be true, but in some States of the Union a "paperless" transaction would be totally legal.

It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking everyone in America is under the same laws, but we're not.
Where I live, firearm trades and sales between individuals are completely legal face to face with no paperwork, so long as the recipient can legally own a gun.
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I recently posted on a local forum to sell or trade a Glock of some description just to move it from the safe. I offered it for a small sale price but really wanted to trade for a Smith revolver.
I got a response from a young guy who said he had some interest if we could get together. We met at a local burger joint had a small lunch and went to the car where he showed me his revolver and I showed him my Glock.
He told me his grandfather had passed away and left him this beautiful Model 19-4 Nickel plated with target hammer and trigger.
I asked if we could deal he said yes he really wanted the Glock and then supprised me by saying that he wasn't a revolver guy and didn't know his grandfather that well.
I walked away with this beautiful Smith & Wesson Model 19 and a sad feeling about the poor grandad!
Took it home cleaned it up and removed the grips to find grandpa's name inscribed on the inside of the frame.
I will keep it just to remember him and perhaps pass it along to a great grand child of mine with the sad story of how i came to have it.
I have a very nice ca. 1909 6 1/2 inch 32-20 target model I acquired kinda like your M 19. Grandkid wanted something else than gramps old revolver with a homemade shoulder holster. Grandpa carried the gun while a guard at a local prison in the 1920s. Great piece of history I would not have parted with were I that grandson.
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I probably just happened into grandpa's revolver. Has the previous owners name engraved on the backstrap. The only person I can find local on google was a LEO for Houston PD for 30 some odd years. Kind of makes you wonder about the stories some of these old guns we have could tell doesn't it?

After I finish my reloading setup I'm going to shoot the hell out it.
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