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Old 04-18-2017, 01:26 PM
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I have a Model 66 that I am trying to establish provenance on. What's peaked my interest is that S&W appears to have intentionally stamped their insignia on the side plate in a slightly different place to allow for the hand engraving of "Wayne Newton 1976". It would be great if I were able to prove if this was his at one point in time...presentation piece, personal carry piece, etc...

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I would try to contact Wayne Newton. Email him in Las Vegas and maybe he'll cut you a letter of authenticity.
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I am guessing that you have not ordered a S&W Historical letter on this revolver. The information that you seek may be right there.

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Contacting Mr Newton (or his staff) personally is another great route to go.
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I would try to contact Wayne Newton. Email him in Las Vegas and maybe he'll cut you a letter of authenticity.
And hope it was legitimately acquired!
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....I am trying to establish providence on.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be the grammar cop, but if your going to contact Mr. Newton, the word you mean is "Provenance".

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If Mr. Newton responds, be sure to tell him danke schoen.
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I hope it was his. That would be cool if he wrote you a letter.
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Welcome to the FORUM! That must be an early 66. The reason that I that is my buddies no dash has the insignia on the side plate also. My 66-2, has a blank side plate. Mine has it on the left side. Whether it is legit or not, it is a cool gun! Bob
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A history letter from Mr. Jinks should verify the engraving if it was done at the factory.

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I hope you get the provenance you desire. In the meantime, those buggered plate screws suggest that the revolver has passed through someone with a heavy hand. No offense intended, but have you removed the side plate and stocks for a careful examination? I only bring it up because in addition to the buggered slot screws, it looks as though there's some rust and pitting on the butt next to the serial number. That snubby is a classic, regardless of whether or not it was owned by Wayne.
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I hope you get it authenticated, but it wouldn't be hard for someone to take off a side plate and have Elvis engraved and ask a premium. There are scammers and fakers everywhere trying to get money under false pretenses. The buggered up screws would really make me think that this was a scam.
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I have to wonder how many guys in the world are named Wayne Newton.....
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My interest is piqued as well.

You never know, it could be legitimate. If someone was pulling a scam, wouldn't you think he would pick a deceased celebrity? Then it is less likely anyone could authenticate it.

Also, nothing against Mr. Newton but some other celebrity of greater renown (at least in the gun world) could be selected by a scammer to increase its perceived value.

The rust may have been caused by perspiration if it was a carry piece. To some, that could be a big plus.
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I have to wonder how many guys in the world are named Wayne Newton.....
I went to high school with one. He tells everyone "I am the famous Wayne Newton--the greatest farmer ever!"
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My Son was born in the Nellis AFB Hospital.
There was a nurse there who was Wayne Newton Fan no.1.
She tried to get all the new Moms to name their kid Wayne or Wayne Newton.
And she really did know Wayne. As a prominent fan club member, she had been to events out at Shanendoah .
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Well, I wasn't, but I sure am now,LOL !




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That photo was taken before he found REALLY black hair and tickler dye Sorry; off thread comment. But a cool find, especially if ownership can be authenticated
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Living in Sin City and being a LEO lends a lot of credibility to your opinon.
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Also, nothing against Mr. Newton but some other celebrity of greater renown (at least in the gun world) could be selected by a scammer to increase its perceived value.
That's the genius of it!
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Who knows maybe ol' Wayne will want it back and be willing to pay a handsome price like that guy that owns Papa Johns Pizza paid for his old Camaro.
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My 66 no dash 4" has the s&W roll mark in the exact same location.
I don't think the location is significant at all.
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Further information on "Wayne Newton" Model 66. Yes, it left the factory engraved "Wayne Newton 1976". It was shipped August 22, 1976 to Cheshire & Perez Co., Monrovia, CA. "This revolver was shipped with a 2-1/2" barrel equipped with a red ramp front sight, satin finish; and smooth rosewood round butt grips", to quote the factory letter. The date of the factory letter is July 10, 2019. STILL DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OWNED BY Wayne Newton. Letters requesting information go un-answered. I carry it and shoot it. It is cool. I paid the price of a used 66 and it is still being used. I have been offered twice what I paid for it. It ain't worth 2 times the amount I paid for it but the novelty of it seems to be worth it. One day I will sell it and let someone else try to track down the original ownership. But, until then, I aim to shoot it and have fun with it. I have a 4 inch 66 from the same era that I used as a rookie deputy sheriff that I like to use with it.

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I am guessing that you have not ordered a S&W Historical letter on this revolver. The information that you seek may be right there.

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Contacting Mr Newton (or his staff) personally is another great route to go.
Be sure to send a few pics with your email which I would think would be an attention getter...
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Even though he isn't Liberace I thought it would have more "bling".

Maybe it was truly meant as an EDC for him but I can't see a man like Wayne Newton "having" to part with anything.

If it truly was his then maybe he eventually gifted to someone? (Or stolen?)

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Maybe it was truly meant as an EDC for him but I can't see a man like Wayne Newton "having" to part with anything.

If it truly was his then maybe he eventually gifted to someone? (Or stolen?)
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Actually, if you read through his biography on Wiki, there is plenty of talk about business difficulties, bankruptcy, and unpaid debts and taxes. So having acquired this at some point, maybe even as a gift by a well-heeled admirer, it seems entirely possible that the gun might be sold again.

The engraved year indicates that the name wasn‘t meant to just personalize the gun, like an owner might do, but is tied to a specific time and possibly event.

PS: Then again, who knows, per the shipping destination in the letter, maybe the Monrovia Police Dept. had a detective named Wayne Newton who retired in 1976

PPS: Well, well, so I thought I was joking, but here‘s what I found in another forum in a very old thread about Cheshire & Perez:

“Cheshire and Perez were the west cost distributor/ warranty repair facility for Smith. They were located in Monrovia, California. They were a S&W LE distributor and much of their business came from LE clientele. They did build some PPC guns but it was sort of a side business for them, as an offshoot of their LE sales.”

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I DID go to high school with Wayne Newton. North Phoenix High. He was a junior when I was a sophomore. He dropped out of school after his junior year and went to Vegas. The year was 1959-1960.
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Are you the original starter of this thread?
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Sorry, I'm not trying to be the grammar cop, but if your going to contact Mr. Newton, the word you mean is "Provenance".

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Also not trying to be the grammar police but it would be if you're going to contact Mr. Newton not if "your" going to!
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Also not trying to be the grammar police but it would be if you're going to contact Mr. Newton not if "your" going to!
LOL, a real Zombie haunting!! Post #13 pointed that out 3 years ago.

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IMHO, W. Newton is and was one of the biggest creeps that ever made a living in show business. ......
I’ve spent some time around him and he’s actually an amazingly kind and considerate person. That said, I saw him get mad one day and he has quite a temper. But all things considered, he’s a pretty good guy.
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No...Johnny Carson was, whose butt Mr. Newton offered to readjust!
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"Letters requesting information go un-answered."
I don't know who you contacted. Why don't you tell us who you contacted. You've never contacted me.
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I don't know who you contacted. Why don't you tell us who you contacted. You've never contacted me.
My guess is that he is talking about contacting Wayne Newton.
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..... to quote the factory letter. The date of the factory letter is July 10, 2019. STILL DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OWNED BY Wayne Newton. Letters requesting information go un-answered.
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I don't know who you contacted. Why don't you tell us who you contacted. You've never contacted me.
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I'm not sure whether he's complaining about you or anyone associated with our letter process, since he has the history letter.

I read it as meaning he wrote to Newton's people.
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This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George buys a used Chrysler Lebaron and thinks it was Jon Voight's car.

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Further information on "Wayne Newton" Model 66. Yes, it left the factory engraved "Wayne Newton 1976". It was shipped August 22, 1976 to Cheshire & Perez Co., Monrovia, CA. "This revolver was shipped with a 2-1/2" barrel equipped with a red ramp front sight, satin finish; and smooth rosewood round butt grips", to quote the factory letter. The date of the factory letter is July 10, 2019.



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STILL DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OWNED BY Wayne Newton.
I am 99.9995% sure that the gun was owned by Wayne Newton at some point in time. I'm not at all sure which Wayne Newton.
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Well, at least we have had a thorough analysis of Mr. Newton's personality defects.
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