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Need info on 2, 38 snubnose pistols
1. Model 10-5, 6 shot, no screw on bottom/front of trigger guard, SN D512687 on butt between grips, SW trademark stamped in right side of frame near grips.
2. Model 36, 5 shot, no screw on bottom/front of trigger guard, SN J426072 on butt between grips, SW trademark stamped on left side of frame under cylinder release.
Would like to know any info available.
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04-27-2017, 01:12 PM
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1. Model 10-5 . . . SN 512687
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This should have a prefix, either a C (possible) or D (likely).
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! I'm with Jack. Your Model 10-5 would almost have to have a 'D' serial number prefix and would have shipped in 1973. Is it a tapered or heavy barrel? This is the venerated .38 Military & Police revolver that S&W has been making since 1899.
The second gun is a Chiefs Special, Model 36, that shipped in 1976-77. Both guns are very popular models.
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Your Model 10-5 would almost have to have a 'D' serial number prefix and would have shipped in 1973. Is it a tapered or heavy barrel?
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Remember that the -5 is, by definition, a tapered barrel model.
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Enlighten me, Jack. The heavy barrel Model 10 was introduced at 10-1. So, did the heavy barrel skip 10-4 and 10-5?
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The Model 10 operated on a different scheme than most models (so did the Model 36). Here's how it went with the M&P:
Model 10 - tapered barrel, as on non-model marked M&Ps
Model 10-1 - introduction of the heavy barrel
Model 10-2 - extractor rod threads changed on tapered barrel
Model 10-3 - extractor rod threads changed on heavy barrel
Model 10-4 - cylinder stop screw eliminated on tapered barrel
Model 10-5 - front sight changed on tapered barrel
Model 10-6 - cylinder stop screw eliminated on heavy barrel
Model 10-7 - gas ring relocated on tapered barrel
Model 10-8 - gas ring relocated on heavy barrel
Model 10-9 - multiple changes on tapered barrel frames
Model 10-10 - multiple changes on heavy barrel frames
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Models 10, 10-2, 10-4, 10-5, 10-7 and 10-9 all had the tapered barrel.
Models 10-1, 10-3, 10-6, 10-8 and 10-10 all had the heavy barrel.
From 1959 on, there were always tapered and heavy barrel models being built concurrently, each with a different dash number.
Simple, right? Nah!
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Guy
The Model 10 operated on a different scheme than most models (so did the Model 36). Here's how it went with the M&P:
Model 10 - tapered barrel, as on non-model marked M&Ps
Model 10-1 - introduction of the heavy barrel
Model 10-2 - extractor rod threads changed on tapered barrel
Model 10-3 - extractor rod threads changed on heavy barrel
Model 10-4 - cylinder stop screw eliminated on tapered barrel
Model 10-5 - front sight changed on tapered barrel
Model 10-6 - cylinder stop screw eliminated on heavy barrel
Model 10-7 - gas ring relocated on tapered barrel
Model 10-8 - gas ring relocated on heavy barrel
Model 10-9 - multiple changes on tapered barrel frames
Model 10-10 - multiple changes on heavy barrel frames
So
Models 10, 10-2, 10-4, 10-5, 10-7 and 10-9 all had the tapered barrel.
Models 10-1, 10-3, 10-6, 10-8 and 10-10 all had the heavy barrel.
From 1959 on, there were always tapered and heavy barrel models being built concurrently, each with a different dash number.
Simple, right? Nah!
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All great info, I've seen that data before..... however, the OP says it's a snub nose, so I'm assuming it's a 2" (maybe a mistake) and I'd be hard pressed to distinguish a M10 2" barrel between tapered and heavy profiles...
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Here's a different chart, showing the years...
The weirdness with respect to the even/odd engineering change thing happened in the 61/62 timeframe when the M10-2 (tapered barrel version) morphed into the M10-4 and M10-5 engineering versions, the only thing different with these two was the front sight width, the -4 kept the 1/10" wide sight and the -5 went with the 1/8" front sight.
At this time the M10-3 (heavy barrel version) morphed into the M10-6.
Other than this anomaly, there were mostly always even/odd parallel versions made for the heavy barrel and tapered (standard) barrel versions... The other odd thing is that after the M10-10, the -11, -12 and -14 were all heavy/heavier barrel (no tapered observed, just "less" heavy), the -13 was the M1899 Commemorative model....
Last note - I don't think anyone has produced a -12 yet, to my knowledge... Not sure any were made... (maybe this will pull someone out of the dark and post a -12.. )
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This should have a prefix, either a C (possible) or D (likely).
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It is a D, I dont know how to tell the tapered or heav just am sure it is a snub nose.
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Welcome! Good information above from the usual suspects .
In general, if the barrel is the same diameter at the muzzle compared to where it threads into the frame, it would be called "heavy". Just to confuse matters, some S & W revolvers came with an intermediate width barrel that some called heavy, so the untapered version was called a "bull" barrel. Heavy and bull are sometimes used as the same term. Clear as mud .
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