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Old 06-29-2017, 10:10 AM
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This is a 1959 Model 14 with later grips.
I bought the gun thinking it was a much later gun and am pleased to find that its a 59' and is in great condition and shoots well.
Bullseye.
So thats all good stuff .
My question for you experts is where can I find some of what would be the original grips for this.
I'm shooting well with the grips I have but they may be just a bit large for me. I'll adjust , but if there is an appropriate option I want to explore it .
Guess there are the Magna grips , which would be the standard grip?
I would prefer the target grips.
So thats Diamond Target grips.
Is there a model name for the grips that we know will fit ?
Is this the square butt type ?
Seems the grips are getting pricy these days
Any way thanks for the help.
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Your model 14 was probably shipped as a "3T" - Target Hammer, Target Trigger, and Target Grips as the model 14 was intended as a competition revolver. The original grips should be square butt Goncalo Alves with the diamond center and extractor relief cut. They are commonly called football grips due to the shape of the cut. Unfortunately, you are correct in that the price of original diamond center footballs has been getting higher and higher.

To return it to as shipped condition, you'll have to pay that price. If it were mine though, I'd keep it as is and shoot it a lot. Either way, enjoy it!
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It shoots great.
I'm looking forward to having some actual target loads to use when firing it .
One step at a time .
Thanks for the info.
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I would not at all be certain this gun shipped as a 3T. A large number of Model 14 revolvers from the "no dash" through the -3 shipped as 2T guns (Magna stocks). Having collected them for 40 years, I've seen a lot more with numbered Magna stocks than I have with factory original Targets. Sure, there are plenty of 3T guns out there.

If you do want period-correct Targets, they will be the diamond "football" style, and they won't be cheap. On the other hand, the gun would look perfectly original with diamond Magnas. Or, you could just leave it as is. Nothing wrong with it as a shooter in its current configuration. If the target stocks on it are too big for your hand, look for some diamond Magna stocks with the tapered shoulder.

The top gun in the following photo has Magna stocks that would be correct for your revolver.


Correct Target stocks would look like those on this Model 15-2:

These are GA, but walnut in the same configuration would also be correct.

Searching eBay would be a good choice if you decide to go looking.
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A happy medium, could be Herrett Target Stocks. They are a little smaller than the S&W targets. I just picked up this set in box for under $35, on ebay. (K/L frame) You need to have stocks that fit you. I personally don't like magna style. (look OK, don't feel good) Everyone is different. Bob
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I defer to Jack from up in the Frozen North (probably rather pleasant right now - and certainly more pleasant than the summer blast furnace I'm living in here in the AZ), but to add another point of reference: this K-38 and box came to me together.









I think the box is probably a bit newer than the gun - a 1955 printing on the inside is probably more recent than the K140XXX SN'd gun. But the box appears to be earlier than the model numbering and shows the three T's.
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I use manga stocks with a T-grip. Mine has the service hammer and trigger and that's the way I like it. I shoot it DA only.
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I am the only person disappointed that I didn't get to see a 59-inch model 14?
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Yes, it is 63 and cloudy with a slight drizzle of rain. My granddaughters arrived this afternoon from a more remote part of Alaska for a two week visit. We are hoping it does not rain enough to cause the Alaska Baseball League game to be rained out tonight. It's just across the highway from my house and the girls want to go!
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A happy medium, could be Herrett Target Stocks. They are a little smaller than the S&W targets. I just picked up this set in box for under $35, on ebay. (K/L frame) You need to have stocks that fit you. I personally don't like magna style. (look OK, don't feel good) Everyone is different. Bob
My 14-1 came with the original pair of Diamond Target stocks and I find them a little too large for my hand as well . I purchased a vintage pair of these Herrett's and find them to be a very comfortable fit.
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I took out a second mortgage and bought a set of diamond target grips on eBay. Nice set . The right age for the gun.
Was at the range today shooting some wadcutter and its coming together. I'll keep these 80's grips for the next S&W. I think the size is OK . I'm getting along with it . Got some groups going . Bang bang...
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I took out a second mortgage and bought a set of diamond target grips on eBay. Nice set . The right age for the gun.
Was at the range today shooting some wadcutter and its coming together. I'll keep these 80's grips for the next S&W. I think the size is OK . I'm getting along with it . Got some groups going . Bang bang...
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Well I got the diamond grips in the mail yesterday and they are a perfect fit and I'm happy to have restored the pistol to its original state. Also it should be noted that these 50's grips are very slightly smaller than the 83 date stamp set I had on there , which is good. I don't have a small hand and the 83 grips were manageable but I'm happy that the stock diamond grip is slightly smaller in the outside dimension and they look good !
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Well I got the diamond grips in the mail yesterday and they are a perfect fit and I'm happy to have restored the pistol to its original state. Also it should be noted that these 50's grips are very slightly smaller than the 83 date stamp set I had on there , which is good. I don't have a small hand and the 83 grips were manageable but I'm happy that the stock diamond grip is slightly smaller in the outside dimension and they look good !
You most certainly might have purchased the incorrect stocks. I have a 1956 vintage K38 that has a target hammer, target trigger, and letters with standard walnut checkered stocks. A lot of folks bought their target guns with the standard stocks as they were no extra cost. A lot of competition shooters did this as they opted for the large thumb rest type of the period from other sources. Only a factory letter will tell you exactly what stocks it had from the factory. Big Larry
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Well I got the diamond grips in the mail yesterday and they are a perfect fit and I'm happy to have restored the pistol to its original state. Also it should be noted that these 50's grips are very slightly smaller than the 83 date stamp set I had on there , which is good. I don't have a small hand and the 83 grips were manageable but I'm happy that the stock diamond grip is slightly smaller in the outside dimension and they look good !
This is a good point. Earlier factory target stocks have an entirely different shape and feel compared to the later versions, which many find bulky and "blocky" feeling.
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If you need a set of Diamond K target grips, I have a few sets in various conditions but all are nice.
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Hi. I also have a 1959 Model 14. I personally feel that the era of the 4 screw K frame might be the pinnacle of S&W revolver quality (whether K frame or not.)

Mine had factory target diamond grips, but they were unoriginal to the gun, as they had no recess (making them earlier than '59.) I took them off in case I ever find an earlier K38 Masterpiece. Have pachs on it now.

I was able to find some era appropriate recessed diamond targets, but they went on a (much cleaner) Model 15. Most of these grips are well over $100 (last time I checked), but I paid $75 because some of the wood had been chipped next to the trigger guard. Other than that, they're the cleanest set of diamond targets I've ever seen.

Congrats to the OP for finding the era appropriate grips...to all others, keep looking and you may find something priced reasonable. It might take time.
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I like my '52 K38 with magnas + T-Grip. Tried it with some newer aftermarket targets but it didn't feel quite right.
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Too late now !
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59 model 14.jpg59 model 14.jpg
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You most certainly might have purchased the incorrect stocks. I have a 1956 vintage K38 that has a target hammer, target trigger, and letters with standard walnut checkered stocks. A lot of folks bought their target guns with the standard stocks as they were no extra cost. A lot of competition shooters did this as they opted for the large thumb rest type of the period from other sources. Only a factory letter will tell you exactly what stocks it had from the factory. Big Larry
Yes , thats right it may well have had the standard stocks, but I want the target grips because I'm shooting targets . I was considering getting a set of the standard grips just to be compulsive but would opt to find another complete 14 instead. I like this thing that much. I'm looking forward to loading for it so I can get the real feel of a target load. I get the feeling that even when I find factory 148 grain cartridges that they are not low velocity by any means. Standard perhaps . So I want to pay my money and take my choice at the loading bench.
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In the FWIW department .
I did start loading for the Model 14 and have settled on 148gr HBWC over 2.7gr Bullseye.
The gun shoots great and I'm starting to get consistent grouping , so I think I'll stick with this. It seems to be working out !
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Very nice Model 14 , Im late to the game but have a tiny bit of bad news in that the diamond target stocks you purchased are actually from 1963 to 1967 era,
Really not important at all and they look great but to the trained eye they are incorrect vintage for 1959 .
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2.7 to 3.0 grains of Bullseye is a good load with that bullet.

For the past 45 years, my go-to load for the .38 Special (either in one of my many K-38 revolvers or in a Highway Patrolman) has been the 158 grain cast bullet pushed by 3.5 grains of Red Dot. If you decide to experiment a little, you might try that load. I get good accuracy out of it, although it is a little bit hotter than the previously mentioned WC load with Bullseye. I've used it in Model 19 Combat Magnums of varying barrel lengths also. It does fine in that application too.
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Very nice Model 14 , Im late to the game but have a tiny bit of bad news in that the diamond target stocks you purchased are actually from 1963 to 1967 era,
Really not important at all and they look great but to the trained eye they are incorrect vintage for 1959 .
So it goes.. They still feel better than the 80's set that was on there.
I enjoy shooting that model. Perhaps there are others in my future !
I guess that the 59' grips would not have the speed loader cut out ?

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I also have a 1959 model 14. Mine also came with non-original target grips. They were, however, a fair bit older than the gun. Non-relieved diamond targets in very good shape, actually. I took them off of the gun (which is not in quite as good cosmetic condition as the OP's 14) and I'm keeping them in their present good condition in case I ever find an era appropriate Masterpiece series revolver.

I've put old Pach's on it until I can find late 50's targets at a decent price...but I'm not holding my breath. OTOH, I did find some recessed diamond targets for my '64 Model 15 for 75 bucks. They're mint...except for the chipped off portion on the right grip. But it's a more or less inconspicuous spot right behind the rear trigger guard. They make my minty-ish 15 look look good. I guess you just live with compromise.
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The 2 pre 14 K-38 revolvers I bought NIB in the 60s for police combat matches had magna service stocks numbered to the guns.There was still a lot of NIB K-38s around in the mid to late 60s.

Some shooter bought the Model 14 rather than the K-38 thinking newer was better at the time.A 14-2 I owned was an excellent shooter in the 50yd match.

Late 50s target stocks would most likely be relieved with diamond and football cutout but there's an outside chance unrelieved diamonds shipped on some guns as Smith cleared inventory.
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So it goes.. They still feel better than the 80's set that was on there.
I enjoy shooting that model. Perhaps there are others in my future !
I guess that the 59' grips would not have the speed loader cut out ?
The football cut appears almost the same time as the introduction the Combat Magnum in late 1955 early 1956 (Coincidence?) Im assuming between the longer .357 cartridge and longer K magnum cylinder the idea was a football shaped relief cut in the stocks would allow extra room for case extraction but its only a theory, The football cut changed to the "speed loader" relief cut in the very late 70's to early 80's and allowed more room for use with speed loaders.

The feature that changed around 1963 was the shape of the checkering , older versions have a sharp transition from vertical to horizontal at the corner of the heel where the later versions have a rounded transition like yours.

As stated they are very nice stocks and its such a minor thing most would never notice , My S&W OCD meter is set a bit finer so these little things tend stand out.,,,Sorry to say it can be an illness
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S&W N FRAME TARGET GRIPS-N MAGNA GRIPS ALL SOLD ironman40 Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 9 09-15-2010 05:46 PM
TRADED: N Frame Diamond "PC" Magna Grips (Model 58) jeremyws1 Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 11 07-13-2010 04:04 PM
My 28-2 6" ....would correct grips be Magna or Target? and one more question Harley2007 S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 7 05-16-2010 01:17 PM

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