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Cool gun. wonder if its a 14-1 or a 32 long? 16-1 would not be a 38 spl.

Charlie

single action?

2 years ago when I stopped at the the museum in Cody I noticed several mislabeled S&W's. I mentioned the errors to a member of the support staff. Probably other mistakes in the museum, but boy is it a nice place to visit.

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Ray S&WCA #2810

Likely a typo on the model number, and probably a factory SAO model 14. Easier to miss the 4 than mistype the chambering .

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

I think that I would have pointed that out to somebody. That is a mishmash of misinformation. And I'm not even that knowledgable about that model.

That aside, isn't the museum GREAT!!!!!!

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You'll see this kind of thing in all kinds of museums if you happen to have a level of better than average knowledge in a specific area.

For example there is a F-86H in an aviation museum with a sign that indicates it has a J79 engine.

The F-86H does not have the J47 used in most of the USAF versions of the F-86, it instead has a non after burning (but tail pipe augmented) General Electric J73 engine, which offered 8920 pounds of thrust. It made it a bit of a hod rod as F-86s went as there was only 5,900 pounds of thrust available in the J47-27 powered F-86F, which was an improvement over the 5,200 pounds available in the J47-13 used in the F-86E.

Since the J73 was significantly longer and also needed a larger intake, to get the J73 to fit in the F-86H, the fuselage was made 6" deeper and 2 feet longer. The increased depth allowed the engine accessories to be removed from the center of the compressor to the bottom of the engine, which allowed for higher mass flow.

Now... don't get me wrong, I'd love to fly an F-86 with a J79 in it, as the dry thrust was 11,900 pounds. But the mass flow requirements were even higher, and it was 8" longer so even though the J79 was developed from the J73 it just wouldn't fit.

And if you ever see that particular F-86H, you'll still see the sign saying it has a J79 in it, because the museum doesn't care enough it change it.

The gun in question is properly identified as a 16-1, but the caliber designation is completely off. If you look closely at the face of the cylinder, you will see that the steel web between charge holes is greater than it would be for a .38 round.

This is the kind of error that can happen when a label composer is editing a template created for a different item and leaves a piece of now incorrect information intact before hitting "Print."

Given the target trigger and target hammer, this revolver may indeed be a single-action gun, but that would be something else for museum staff to evaluate if they ever choose to remake that label.

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Ruh Roh Raggy!!!

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Tom Graham SWCA #2303

The firearms museum in Cody isn't just your local general museum. They are "THE" source for information regarding Winchester lever action rifles. They'd appreciate having that card with correct information. BTW, S&W made single action only K-38's. Not sure of the model 16's, as I never could afford one, even if I wanted to start loading a new caliber (which I don't). I had some incorrect information about me posted at a museum (and no, it isn't a museum of ancient history). I wrote them a letter and they eventually corrected the error.

PLEASE tell me those hooks holding the guns are not bare metal. A typo I could forgive, although you would think in a gun museum a staffer would have noticed and it would have been easily corrected.

Yes, agree. I didn't mean to imply that this would necessarily be a factory-original SA target, but only that the DA sear may have been removed at some point -- thus leaving it SAO today. The erroneous card could be more forthcoming in that regard as well.

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David Wilson

Look like they have plastic tubing over the metal pegs.

I don't get it, why are we nit picking at a terrific firearms museum? People make mistakes and with the huge amount of firearms there, I'm not surprised. It is a must see IMHO, when in the general area. Not just this forum, but it seems like people are testy today. Cody Firearms Museum | Buffalo Bill Center of the West

I love the Firearms museum, and the other ones are nice, too! I was lost in there for hrs and my wife was kind enough to put up with it.

I'm aware of who and what they are - and I've been there several times over the last 40 years.

My point was that any museum can make mistakes that are then pointed out by visitors who know more in a specific area than the museum staff.

A K-16 always been my dream gun. I have a K-22 which is my "I'll never get rid of gun". My M27-2-6" out shoots my Dad's old M14 K-38, so I down sized (haha) to keep the M27. But I've always craved a K-32. Even though I've NEVER shot a .32 S&W!

looking at the photo the cylinder looks more like at 32 size hole and not a 38. I think the card is incorrect. Just my .02

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I was there in June and noticed this same error. I believe it is a K-32 and the error is in that part of the card. I did wonder about the SAO comment. I've never heard of a factory SAO K-32.

Sadly this wasn't the only mismarked S&W on display. I also saw a mismarked Marlin rifle. Had I written down the details, I could have written back to them with suggested corrections. I'm sure they would appreciate feedback.

On the other hand, the museum as a whole is a wonderful place to visit. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there, and hope to visit again.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

A museum of this stature is a place where people go to research what's being displayed. They need to, and should have, the correct information on any label or narrative associated with a display.

The posters to this thread are not being "testy". Good grief, it's a "Firearms Museum". They should at least get the 'firearms' labeled correctly.

Dave

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Ok, I've read all of the conversation in this thread and I have come away from this pretty sure this is not a correctly displayed exhibit for some unknown reason. I personally think a museum has a responsibility to have accurate displays. So, has anyone contacted the museum. Or mentioned it while there. Secondly I would think any museum that displays an item like this would avail themselves to all of the available resources to make sure their exhibits are genuine. This would be like displaying a gun saying "it is the gun Pat Garrett took off of Billy the kid", without any convincing provenance. If they do that the museum becomes no more than a traveling side show.
The gun needs a letter from Roy Jinks. It's that simple. I would have thought that would be supplied to museums at no cost, as a professional courtesy.
If not then I would donate 25 dollars to the museum to cover part of the cost of the request. I'm sure there are others that would do the same.

So why don't we quit talking about this and get something done.

I once shot a S&W 38 special ( don't remember the model#) that had been converted to single action only...for NRA slow and timed Bullseye Match shooting. The first pull of the trigger brought the hammer to full cock, you had to let the trigger "re-set" , then the next squeeze of the trigger dropped the hammer and fired the gun.
Basically it just eliminated thumb cocking the gun....trigger cocking ? for single action shooting.
A high school buddy's father owned it ...I guess it didn't catch on. I've never seen another one so modified in the past 50 years since I shot it !
Could be the displayed gun is one of these....probably not !
Gary

Sounds odd. And this description does not fit the definition of "single action only." That definition is quite the opposite. On an SAO, you must cock the hammer by hand. The trigger is not capable of cocking the hammer. If you pull the trigger with the hammer in the down position on a S&W SAO revolver, the only thing that happens is the cylinder rotates. The trigger is only capable of releasing a cocked hammer.

What you have described is closer to what is called, "double action only" but it isn't quite that either. Interesting!

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

My sentiments exactly !

Larry

It jumped out at me because my dad and I spent years chasing down a K32 model 16. He bought one and I have it. Like new in a gold box. There is a faint cylinder turn line.


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I have a different take on this. With the volume of guns on display, I'm not surprised that there is a mistake here and there. It is like a typo in a book. Also, I feel as though someone with a lot of knowledge about a particular display, notices an error, and doesn't notify the museum, isn't part of the solution.

Typo alert!
Also don't like those hooks.
Don't hang any of my guns on hooks like that, please.
As a lead dog Gun Museum, they need to come up with better ways of displaying guns!

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