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As some of you know, I have been looking for a Jovino or Behlert custom big bore snubbie in 41 magnum for years (literally). I even had a WTB ad here on the forum. Well, a kind and thoughtful member brought an auction to my attention that contained a very unusual Model 58.

Now, some of you know about my affinity for the unloved beast that is the S&W Model 58, so this was very exciting.

Well, long story short, I won the auction, likely because very few people knew what this was, or were scared of a modified gun. It is to be delivered to my local FFL for transfer later today. I am almost sure that they will have some delay in getting it transferred to me. I won't see it in person until Tuesday.

I am loading up some fresh 210gr LSWC with sr4756 for a range session as soon as I get it home

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I think that it started life as a model 58 with a 4 inch barrel. It appears to have a shortened model 57 barrel on it now as there is a full lug cover. The stocks are atrocious (K frame magnas) and will be removed immediately and something more suitable will be installed....maybe a good job for Patrick Grashorn aka Executioner?

What do you guys think? I think that now I need to find a Jovino Effector in 41 mag next the S&W addiction never ends does it?
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I think you are correct regarding the barrel swap, it's a beautiful snubby, that I should own it, and that you are very fortunate to have found it. That's what I think. LOL, hardcase60
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I'm with you on the snubbie and 41 magnum love!

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I think you are correct regarding the barrel swap, it's a beautiful snubby, that I should own it, and that you are very fortunate to have found it. That's what I think. LOL, hardcase60
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WOW.......that is a beautiful hand full. I love both of my 58s and generally carry 210 LSWCs. I am too lazy to go out to my reloading room to look up my recipe for the loads but they work great for me. Enjoy.
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I would look for some old Sambar Stags,The new Elk Stags don't do anything for me(just my opinion).Throw on a nice matte black Tyler T Grip and your Golden.
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That's a very cool Gun! You know, you could go old school and wrap black electrical tape around the grip........
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Very nice find. One of my biggest gun regrets was trading off my model 58. I think the grips give it a classic gangster look from the days before model numbers. However, I see the fitment at the back strap leaves a lot to be desired. I like it.
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That's a very cool Gun! You know, you could go old school and wrap black electrical tape around the grip........
I am thinking really old skool - how about a cut-out piece of bicycle tire inner tube?

There is a really neat couple of old time heaters that White Coyote posted a while back, maybe one of those could be used for inspiration?
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Very nice find. One of my biggest gun regrets was trading off my model 58. I think the grips give it a classic gangster look from the days before model numbers. However, I see the fitment at the back strap leaves a lot to be desired. I like it.
Yes, the current stocks are horrendous.....I think that they were from a K frame. I can not bring myself to cut up some nice N PC magnas, so I am thinking that Sambar Stag may be in order?
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I may have to remind you of what??? Really! Half the time I'm just glad that I remember my name and what day it is, at the same time............ Thanks for the invite I don't get south very much anymore. hardcase60
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The LGS never called, so I stopped by before lunch and it was there waiting for me. Yay! The last hours of the work day slowly trickle by.....I just want to go home and run a few cylinders through this old 58.....I have a stash of 210 LSWC stoked with a healthy (but still sensible) dose of sr4756. I bet the old steel plate will be sore in the morning

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I love a customized snubbie, no matter the caliber. Enjoy it!!!
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A 58 is on my short list, and I love snubbies, too.

You've got a winner.
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That is one great looking snubby. you should be proud of finding that one. I'm looking forward to a good range report.
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I'm not fond of snubbies but in 41 mag I can change my mind right. That will be purdy with some stags on it. I found my m58 n frame very confortable to shoot in 41 mag. While my ruger snubbie 357 jumps around way more. It's all about the bigger n frame.
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First thing, when I made it home last night, I pulled those horrible K-frame modified magnas off and put them aside. I checked a few pairs of stocks that I have lying about and could only make one set fit well enough to not irritate my delicate sensibilities Yes, they are Pachmayr, but they fit wonderfully, and it is the same model used by Jovino in his conversion.

On to the range report.

I had some home brew 215gr LSWC with 12.5gr sr4756 made up, so I used them. At 25 yards I was ringing the steel plate with almost every shot. The 12.5gr load was manageable, but seemed stiff in that short barrel. The recoil was pleasant compared to full-house 357 magnums through my 340sc. The front sight needs some bright color to help it stand out.....I am thinking white base coat with a fluorescent orange top coat?

In any case, I enjoyed the short session with the new 58. I am already making plans to upgrade the stocks (calling Executioner!) and making the sights easier for my aging eyes to see.

I may have to make up some bunny fart loads to make the introduction of this handful more enjoyable for my wife and guests.

And for leather? I have a dandy S.D. Myres floral carved for a 3.5" N frame, but it just doesn't suit this gun. I am thinking maybe smooth, heavily boned pancake would be just the ticket......maybe horsehide? What do you guys think?

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I would have posted this last night after the range time, but I was so excited to shoot my new 58 that I went and left my laptop at work
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That snub couldn't have found a more loving home, congrats Scott!
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Good luck finding a .41 Magnum snub made by Austin Behlert. I worked there in the 80's and remember .44's and .45's but no .41's. I had a Model 25 which received the full snub treatment but sadly sold it off long ago. It was a honey.
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Good luck finding a .41 Magnum snub made by Austin Behlert. I worked there in the 80's and remember .44's and .45's but no .41's. I had a Model 25 which received the full snub treatment but sadly sold it off long ago. It was a honey.

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There is another member here who owns a Behlert model 58. His is signed, so we know where it came from. His has a red ramp front sight that is much higher than mine and his has Magna-ports and is still the original barrel (although cut down to snub size).

Maybe he will post some of his photos here?
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Your friend is a lucky guy. Nice stuff came out of that Union, New Jersey shop. Word is that Austin came up with the idea for the "Bobcat" cut down Colt Government Model and Browning Hi-Power. His Python action job was unbelievable. He has been gone for more that 20 years and I have lost touch with his son, Frank.
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Thanks Charlie! My dad thinks that it should be my EDC, but it is a bit large for my daily mode of carry

I have a whole shoulder worth of leather in the closet just begging to be made into a tortilla style rig just for this gun....somehow it just doesn't feel right in a Mryes floral carved one
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Love the new/old snubby, very cool conversion with the full lug barrel, nice catch. I just got my converted .41mag 28-2 back from Mark Hartshorne a couple of days ago. Great caliber for short barrels, plenty of whack without the sharp recoil you get with .357s. You've got yourself a great carry gun there.

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I had one of Behlert's Bobcat 1911s and a chopped 25-2, of all the handguns that have passed through my hands those two are a couple of the few I miss.
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So Scott, the question is, do you like it and is it a keeper?
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Scott, great acquisition! Best of both worlds, a 41 mag and a very well executed 58 snub. I Like everything about it, despurred hammer, shrouded barrel. As far as an EDC, I gotta ride with your dad on that one. Nearest thing I have to your mod'ed 58 is my snub 657, which I have carried on and off for years. Enjoy your's, be safe. Bill.
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fisco - yup, she is a keeper. The auction photos betrayed the quality of the finish, so I must have gambled and won on that account. I have shot it and the action is buttery smooth, but the matte park'd front sight leaves a lot to be desired. I will likely coat the serrated ramp with a white base coat and then fluorescent orange as a top coat.

You want to come over and shoot a few cyls through her?

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Scott, great acquisition! Best of both worlds, a 41 mag and a very well executed 58 snub. I Like everything about it, despurred hammer, shrouded barrel. As far as an EDC, I gotta ride with your dad on that one. Nearest thing I have to your mod'ed 58 is my snub 657, which I have carried on and off for years. Enjoy your's, be safe. Bill.
Bill, as you may know, I have been a 41 mag for more years than I can count (without taking off my shoes and socks ).

It is made to be a carry gun and it would please me to no end to carry it, but my daily travels require a certain attire and I just can't get away with a belt holster most weeks. I can slide on pocket carry in Levi's and 5.11 cargo pants. Since I never really found a comfortable way to carry IWB, I am stuck with pocket carry or OWB. The 58 is a bit big for pocket carry most days.

I will be trying some different approaches to the whole affair. I will post some results here when I get some results.

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Scott, I share your affinity for he 41 and he 58, carried a 58 as a duty gun for several years. And you are correct,they present a challenge for CC, particularly in hot climes. Bottom line, you have a winner in that "enhanced" 58, enjoy it. Bill.
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I don't know if I told you, but an old friend who has since passed really got my addiction to the 41 rolling about 20 years ago. Art Collins was a motorcycle officer in his younger days. He rode around with a pistol grip 12 gauge in a holster on the forks of his bike and a model 58 on his hip. I don't imagine that anyone gave him much trouble (or if they did, they only did it once ). In his retirement, Art started Collins Cartridge Co in Conroe, TX. He reloaded all my used brass and took good care of a budding 41 Mag addict. I still miss seeing him at gun shows, he had some really great stories.

Art and others have helped solidify my love affair with the round. The model 58 was an unseen ally until about 10 years ago when I discovered them. If I could get a 41 mag in a J frame size, I would carry that too
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Your friend is a lucky guy. Nice stuff came out of that Union, New Jersey shop. Word is that Austin came up with the idea for the "Bobcat" cut down Colt Government Model and Browning Hi-Power. His Python action job was unbelievable. He has been gone for more that 20 years and I have lost touch with his son, Frank.
He was a friend of a friend while he was in NJ, but I didn't meet him in person until he moved to PA (Pipersville??). He was a dealer for High Standard at one time, so I was able to find a few old parts from him nobody else seemed to have.

When he showed me his Model 41 conversion, I got the impression it was in the final stages of development and about ready to release for sale. I met his son at the same time and got the impression he was more into testing and competing than the actual gunmithing. Didn't Austin also have a son in law who did gunsmithing for/with him? Does anyone here know whether there is anything left of that old company? He had so many neat products and services, I hope somebody picked them up.

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