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Old 08-11-2017, 07:17 PM
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Well my wait is almost over, going to pick up my longer barreled model 14-3 tomorrow. Thing is my other 2 model 14's I own with 6 inch barrels are already the most accurate of my 8 S&W revolvers. I guess the question I have to ask is: if there is any appreciable difference anybody is able to notice between a 6 inch model 14 and an 8 3/8 inch version. I certainly will find out tomorrow when we all go together straight to the range, but I am so excited tonight I just have to ask.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:30 PM
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The barrel length should have no bearing on the inherent accuracy of your revolvers.

The longer sight radius on the 8 3/8" may help your shooting marginally or it may magnify your perception of sight motion attributable to muscle tremor resulting in less accuracy. The extra muzzle weight may also effect things.

Let us know your impressions after you've shot your new revolver.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:36 PM
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Well, my only Model 14 is a long tube (8 3/8" bbl.) model and it is a very accurate gun. However, I would seriously doubt there is much, if any, difference between the accuracy of the two. I think the shooter would be more of a factor.
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I shoot my M-14 (8 3/8) scoped 7X35 on a rest, that taught me how important the right ammo combination is, stay away from the cheap stuff.

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Oh ya I will post my thoughts on the whole situation. I have been thinking on the subject all day and most of my other revolvers are 4 inch and I think that's why I find the 14's so accurate. My only other longer barrel is a model 29 and it's just not comparable to shooting a 38 special so I am unable to make that comparison outright. I think what is going to end with, is it will all be in my head (in my mind longer sight radius=accuracy) so that's what will happen.
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Great project.

I will be picking up my 8 3/8 masterpiece in 30 days and can not wait. I share your excitement. This will also be my first long barrel 38 caliber Smith.

I am thinking that you may see differences. Yes, sight radius will be positively influenced by the long tube.

However I know from rifle shooting there is a winning barrel length which must be a multiple of the harmonic vibration of the barrel and caliber. Some say 20'' is often a good length for 308 and going longer may diminish returns. I think that also depends on the harmonics, wall thickness, free floating etc which are hard to measure or predict.

I would assume that a 8 3/8 revolver barrel will undergo quite some vibration compared to a 4'' tube. You have a nice few days of experimentation on your hands. If you hand load, the parameters you can play with will be endless which makes our pastime all the more exciting.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:00 PM
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I just had some Remington target wadcutter match rounds arrive today, not that much more money, looking forward to trying them tomorrow. Almost have enough one shot brass to break out of storage my reloader & dies. Going to the range in the morning, we'll see.

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Old 08-11-2017, 09:10 PM
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I have a friend with a 6" Model 14 and I have shot a 8 3/8 Model 14 at bullseye for decades. My friend wondered if my longer barrel gun was more accurate so we shot both from rest with my wadcutters, and either gun routinely shot 1" at 25 yd.
So as far as the gun itself, I expect no difference. How the shooter does with the gun can be substantial. For our model 14s, if we're shooting over 1" at 25 yards, it's not the gun. Reassuring but also humbling.
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:33 PM
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I was thinking that the longer barrel may show itself at a longer distance such as 25 yards. So my first experiment will be both guns at 7 yards mostly because I have never shot the gun and must see where it's sights are set at. But then move out to 15 yards then 20 that's about where I normally shoot at can keep it pretty close off hand. Then out to 25 yards the max distance of my indoor range. I do reload so I have some different weight bullets with varying powder charges (mild to wild). So yes options become limitless but for now just some standard side by side shooting. I always bring at least a half dozen guns and spend at least an hour shooting so tomorrow I will just save the 14's till I'm all warmed up.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:16 PM
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The problem with either may be that when you miss you can't blame the gun......
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Old 08-12-2017, 07:08 AM
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I shoot 4" barreled guns better than 6" ones. When I competed I always used a 4" M15 even though I've got many 6" guns too. I think it's more an individual thing and individual experiences will vary.
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Barrel length actually has no bearing on inherent accuracy. Sight radius is what can make the difference. If your vision is sufficiently sharp and your hands sufficiently steady, you should be able to shoot more accurately with a 8 3/8" barrel. But, if that longer barrel does not balance as well in your hands as a shorter barrel or your eyes cannot make use of the increased sight radius, then you will see no improvement and maybe even worse accuracy.

Just my experience with firearms.
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Would this barrel length theory (barrel length not that much of a factor on accuracy) hold true just as well in .22 cal ? I have a scoped 8 3/8 M-53 (.22 L.R, cylinder) and and scoped 8 3/8 M-17 (both 7X35) I shoot consistent groups size of a quarter or less. I also have a four inch M-18 I could scope easy for test comparison. Going to give it a try,, being scoped on a rest we can factor out site radius, yes? . Results in one week.

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Would this barrel length theory (barrel length not that much of a factor on accuracy) hold true just as well in .22 cal ? I have a scoped 8 3/8 M-53 (.22 L.R, cylinder) and and scoped 8 3/8 M-17 (both 7X35) I shoot consistent groups size of a quarter or less. I also have a four inch M-18 I could scope easy for test comparison. Going to give it a try,, being scoped on a rest we can factor out site radius, yes? . Results in one week.
Absolutely. The use of a scope eliminates any advantage or disadvantage of sight radius.
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:06 PM
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Just got back from the range having shot my M-14 8 3/8 scoped at 7X35. The difference this time, using those Remington target wadcutter instead of the budget ammo.
The result, made a six shot connecting clover (a few in the same hole) got so excited when reeled the target in lost my calmness for the next cylinder full
. I found out today that I've been letting successes compromise my shooting accuracy.
Next week have to arrive knowing this gun is going to do this and maintain that inner calmness. Emotions effect accuracy it seems????
Should add, I'm not pro scope anti open sights, for those (like me) that age has effected your ability to focus open sights,,, scopes not only get you back on the range, some of the results are jaw dropping to those curious in the next booth.

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