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Ok, these grips pics were sent to me. I've studied the SCSW 4th, but since I've never owned any cokes, I'm just not sure. They look like cokes to me, but I anxiously await your opinions. The fellow that has them does not know either, so I feel a little better, lol!

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What's a good price range to pay for cokes?
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Yay!!!! What I was hoping for!

Now the 2nd question, I have is, the SCSW 4th (page 40) states, "From the beginning of commercial production and continuingup to the mid to late 1970s, S&W stocks were "numbered" to the gun which they were originally fitted." Straight line stamping near the bottom of right panel.

I'm told these stocks do not have any numbers on them, but I would have to verify that myself. Assuming there are no numbers, what would you conclude from, the absence of a stamping?
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Target grips were rarely numbered. The smaller magna grips were. If your gun came with target grips, as that one did, all anyone can do is assume they are correct.
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Yes, the wider checkered area IDs these as "Special Target stocks". The degree of palm swell varied over the production era of this type of stocks, and only a very few of the early .44 Magnums have them numbered. Not that I own one .
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Target grips were rarely numbered. The smaller magna grips were. If your gun came with target grips, as that one did, all anyone can do is assume they are correct.
Thanks! Nice to know! Actually very nice to know!

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Yes, the wider checkered area IDs these as "Special Target stocks". The degree of palm swell varied over the production era of this type of stocks, and only a very few of the early .44 Magnums have them numbered. Not that I own one .
Thank you! Another reason why I'm glad to support this forum. A lot of good technical information.

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Now, that's a good question & perhaps someone will answer that as well. I've seen some outrageous prices asked, but what they sell for is something else.
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Now, that's a good question & perhaps someone will answer that as well.

I've seen some outrageous prices being asked, but not sure what they actually sell for.
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Take a look.
See the differences?
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Coke bottle stocks in excellent to mint condition have been selling on ebay recently for $600-$800. Prices are going up as more collectors want these stocks and are willing to pay higher prices.

Also,I own several 44 Magnums that are very early (January-February 1956) and none have stocks numbered to the revolver.

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I paid $575.99 plus tax for this set. It did have a no dash 27 attached.



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That part, I pretty much had down, it was the subtle swell that left me with a question mark.
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Coke bottle stocks in excellent to mint condition have been selling on ebay recently for $600-$800. Prices are going up as more collectors want these stocks and are willing to pay higher prices.

Also,I own several 44 Magnums that are very early (January-February 1956) and none have stocks numbered to the revolver.

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Very interesting to me, the nuances that are not or can't always be covered in the catalogue. Thanks!
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Special oversize stocks made of Goncalo alves (aka coke bottle stocks) dating to 1956 have the most noticeable palm swell and flare at the bottom. Beginning in 1957, these features began to be less pronounced. By the early 60s, the real only distinguishing feature of coke bottle stocks is the larger area of checkering. Perhaps a stock maker like Keith Brown could comment, but I have always believed the palm swell and flare at the bottom were artifacts of the production process. Collectors and perhaps more importantly, dealers observed these characteristics and "coke bottle stocks" were born. If S&W had made these stocks with a palm swell and flare at the bottom the company surely would have advertised them as having these features.

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I didn't know there was a Keith Brown on this site, but I do know my FFL has a beautiful custom 45 colt revolver, with some KB's and they were the most beautifully crafted and comfortable stocks, I've ever had my hands on!
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Coke bottle stocks in excellent to mint condition have been selling on ebay recently for $600-$800. Prices are going up as more collectors want these stocks and are willing to pay higher prices.

Also,I own several 44 Magnums that are very early (January-February 1956) and none have stocks numbered to the revolver.

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Well, Bill has forgotten more about this than I ever knew, so I would trust him on this.

It may have been another set of early N Target stocks with numbers that I saw - maybe for a .45 Target model 1955? And no, I really don't own a .44 Magnum with numbered stocks....
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Alan...There was a thread about a 1955 45 Target with a pair of walnut target stocks numbered to a fairly early 44 Magnum (130922?). However, some of the early 1955 45 Targets had numbered target stocks as did a very few of the early Combat Magnums. S&W quickly realized this was not necessary and discontinued the practice.

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Special oversize stocks made of Goncalo alves (aka coke bottle stocks) dating to 1956 have the most noticeable palm swell and flare at the bottom. Beginning in 1957, these features began to be less pronounced. By the early 60s, the real only distinguishing feature of coke bottle stocks is the larger area of checkering. Perhaps a stock maker like Keith Brown could comment, but I have always believed the palm swell and flare at the bottom were artifacts of the production process. Collectors and perhaps more importantly, dealers observed these characteristics and "coke bottle stocks" were born. If S&W had made these stocks with a palm swell and flare at the bottom the company surely would have advertised them as having these features.

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One more distinguishing feature of the cokes is the bottom configuration compared to the targets of today. The targets of today will have a square"ish" look from the bottom and the cokes are oval.
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Ok, I can't leave well enough alone, so here's my next "coke" question.

What about these grips on this pre 27 (S1079XX)?

This is a learning experience for me, so I appreciate you guys chipping in. Thanks!
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Smooth target stocks made of fancy wood, Goncalo alves. Goncalo alves and rosewood were the most common types of wood used to make the smooth stocks.

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Smooth target stocks made of fancy wood, Goncalo alves. Goncalo alves and rosewood were the most common types of wood used to make the smooth stocks.

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Thanks Doc, really appreciated! Would they be correct for the model and year?

Oh, I forgot to add when I go to the SCSW 4th, the grips look like (pg.38), "Early Smooth Rosewood Coke Bottle, Square Butt, without extractor relief cut, used early 1950's."

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Were these smooth stocks also Cokes? I had a set on an early M-29 that looked and felt wonderful. But back then, we didn't use the term, Cokes, and I don't recall if they had the palm swell.

I do know that Cokes feel better in the hand than do later target stocks, which I replace.

If the cost of original Cokes is that high, I'll leave them to collectors. For that sum, you can get Keith Brown or Culina grips that look and feel as good or better.
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Your stocks would not be coke bottle stocks in my opinion since true coke bottle stocks require the larger checked area. The smooth stocks on your .357 may be correct, but it is hard to tell from the photos. A photo showing the stocks from the perspective of the back strap would be helpful.

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Well, I found some interesting old links from this site, and more appreciation of what "Doc44" has contributed. One link is within the other. I've been fascinated with all the intracies of collecting and appreciating Smith & Wesson revolvers. I know I'm not alone, when I say I love it!

Doc, once I get my hands on the gun, I'll post some rear view pics! Thanks!

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