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Old 10-21-2017, 08:17 PM
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One of my regrets is letting go of the 27-2 shown in the first photo. Both the rear and the front sight were blued, in addition to the hammer and trigger. You'll also notice that the roll mark contains the lazy ampersand and that the spacing between the letters is relatively wide.

In seeking to replace this treasure, I've come across the revolver shown in the second photo. Same Patridge front sight, but in nickel, not blue, and it is integral to the barrel, not pinned as is the blue sight blade in the first picture. Also, the ampersand stands up and the spaces between the letters in the roll mark are tighter.

I have several questions:

1. Which revolver was made first? I think it is the one in the first picture, with the blued front sight.

2. Was the revolver with the blued front sight shown in the first picture a factory variation, or, was the front sight modified from the standard configuration shown in the second photo?

3. Let's say I owned the revolver shown in picture 2 but wanted to change the front sight from nickel to blued, as in picture 1. Is that possible? What work would have to be done?

4. What would be your estimates of the current market value of each, presuming each is in 98 - 99% condition and is within spec mechanically?

Thanks so much!
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The 27-2 in the 1st picture was probably an earlier s series -2 from the earlier to mid 60s, and would've came with diamond magna or target stocks. They quit pinning and bluing the front ramp around the mid to later 60s I believe. The 2nd 27-2 came later, probably a 70s model. If it were mine I wouldn't think of changing that front sight. I love the look, and it would hurt it's value substantially. The earlier revolver probably holds a 25% premium, could be more to the right person I would think. I don't really follow the longer bbl. length variations as closely to give you a current value, although they are fine looking examples. Someone else here should have an idea though, and maybe narrow down the gun's time frame even more exactly.
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Old 10-22-2017, 12:00 AM
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A lot of the front sights had pins that were polished flat with the barrel, and done so well that it is really difficult to see them. Look in a really good light to see if yours has pins that were polished flat with the barrel. I'm not sure when they started the sight integral with the barrel, it may have been when they started production with the nickel front sight.
If it is not pinned, it is pretty difficult to change as you would have to mill the sight off, mill a slot in the base, drill a hole for the new front sight and install a new Patridge blue sight. Not cheap.
Nickel front sights wash out really bad and are difficult to see, especially in sunlight. If I wanted one to shoot much, I would not get a nickel sight.
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Old 10-22-2017, 04:21 AM
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A lot of the front sights had pins that were polished flat with the barrel, and done so well that it is really difficult to see them. Look in a really good light to see if yours has pins that were polished flat with the barrel. I'm not sure when they started the sight integral with the barrel, it may have been when they started production with the nickel front sight.
If it is not pinned, it is pretty difficult to change as you would have to mill the sight off, mill a slot in the base, drill a hole for the new front sight and install a new Patridge blue sight. Not cheap.
Nickel front sights wash out really bad and are difficult to see, especially in sunlight. If I wanted one to shoot much, I would not get a nickel sight.
When I look very closely at the second photo, it is obvious that the front site blade has been pinned. You can just see the outline of the head of the pin where it has been polished flat and flush the with sight base.

That being the case, couldn't the blade be removed, the nickel stripped, the blade blued and then re-installed? A nickeled front sight blade is worthless out of doors in the sunlight.

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Wow nice guns both were those Grashorn grips on tne older one ,I really like that look on nickle guns , I'm sure a good evolved smith can fix you up but make sure you use a good one as that us a nice firearm but my vote would be to try a sharpie or something to try to dull sight down while outdoor shooting or maybe use a candle to smoke it ,you know anytime you post a picture on here the gun sorta becomes communal property so we all get a vote lol. Seriously though that is a nice revolver thanks for shareing .
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Wow nice guns both were those Grashorn grips on tne older one ,I really like that look on nickle guns.
Yes, those are Grashorns.
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Color the back side of the blade with a black sharpie and go about your business.
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Interesting about the partridge sights, which led me to look more closely at partridge sights of my '76 27-2 vs the '54 Pre 27. I love the nickel 27's!
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Interesting about the partridge sights, which led me to look more closely at partridge sights of my '76 27-2 vs the '54 Pre 27. I love the nickel 27's!
So, your Pre 27 has the same blued front sight set-up as the one I stupidly sold. Would you please post a photo of the other side of that revolver? I want to see the roll marks on that side. Thanks so much. I knew this blue sights, trigger, hammer on a nickel gun configuration had to be a factory variation.

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When I look very closely at the second photo, it is obvious that the front site blade has been pinned. You can just see the outline of the head of the pin where it has been polished flat and flush the with sight base.

That being the case, couldn't the blade be removed, the nickel stripped, the blade blued and then re-installed? A nickeled front sight blade is worthless out of doors in the sunlight.

I appreciate your feedback.
Sure, a lot of things can be done,but should they be done when there is also the the risk of collateral damage? The job may turn out fine..or not, but do you find new nicks or blems that you can't do anything about when you get it back? "Stuff" happens.As much as I like to have things "just so", I'd leave it alone or try the Sharpie.
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A sharpie works well, and wears off. There's also Birchwood Casey sight black in a spray can.
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A sharpie works well, and wears off. There's also Birchwood Casey sight black in a spray can.
You know, I'm an old bullseye shooter and I still have a carbide sight blackening lamp in my box. LOL. Boy, does THAT date me.

The spray can stuff works fine and is a lot less messy, so this is a good solution for the range, er, my back 6 acres.

It doesn't deal with the esthetic part of the problem -- the blued Patridge front sight looks awesome. Gotta think on this some more.
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So, your Pre 27 has the same blued front sight set-up as the one I stupidly sold. Would you please post a photo of the other side of that revolver? I want to see the roll marks on that side. Thanks so much. I knew this blue sights, trigger, hammer on a nickel gun configuration had to be a factory variation.
Here's some pics, thanks for allowing me to shamelessly show off my guns!
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I really appreciate this. Like the Smith & Wesson roll mark on the revolver I formerly owned, yours also has the "lazy ampersand." I am not sure when they stopped using that, but I have a pre-29 that does. Absolutely beautiful revolver, BTW!
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I really appreciate this. Like the Smith & Wesson roll mark on the revolver I formerly owned, yours also has the "lazy ampersand." I am not sure when they stopped using that, but I have a pre-29 that does. Absolutely beautiful revolver, BTW!
Thanks, much appreciated! I recently purchased my 3rd pre 27 (all long barrels), but this is the only one with partridge sight.
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You know, I'm an old bullseye shooter and I still have a carbide sight blackening lamp in my box. LOL. Boy, does THAT date me.

The spray can stuff works fine and is a lot less messy, so this is a good solution for the range, er, my back 6 acres.

It doesn't deal with the esthetic part of the problem -- the blued Patridge front sight looks awesome. Gotta think on this some more.
Keeps your Pachmayr box cleaner too....
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Are your hammer & trigger really blued ? I'd been under the impression that the only finishes applied by the factory (at least after 1899) were CCH, flash-chromed, or Parkerized . I'll be happy to be disabused......

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Like the idiot I am, I sold the one I have referred to above as mine, so I don't have it in front of me. I could swear though that they were blue. I am researching this, but have found a couple of others similar that do seem to have these small parts in blue.
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The Patridge blade on the later 27-2 can be removed by removing the pin securing it to the ramp base that is forged with the barrel and cannot be removed. However, I would try and purchase a, new, blued Patridge blade rather than stripping the original one and reblueing it.

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Yes, Bill, that was a bone-head idea on my part. I have found one nickel revolver with blue sights in a five-inch and one of the members here is taunting me with his long-tube version of the same gun. Both of these are S-prefixed 27-2s. So, now I know what to look for. I am going to try to find and replace the one I sold rather than modify a perfectly good gun and end up with something that is neither fish nor fowl.

Patience is called for in these matters.

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I sent a Model 29-2 to S&W for a change of finish from bright blue to nickel in 1974. I asked them to keep the red ramp (not the ramp base) blue. They did by removing and reinstalling it after the change of finish. The blue red ramp aided in sighting, but I was never really satisfied with the overall result.

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Model 27-2, "S" prefix, in the gold box.

This one is a five-inch. Both the front sight base and the front sight blade are blued. The blade is pinned to the base, and the base is pinned to the barrel, as was the case with the revolver I sold.

But obviously, the front sight on this revolver was not a Patridge, it was a blued ramp with the red insert, which is missing. I can't figure out exactly what was done to the front sight on this revolver, but it appears someone got aggressive with a ball peen hammer, or some such.

The existing damaged blade could easily be replaced with a blue Patridge blade, and if necessary, the sight base could be removed, reblued, and reinstalled.

The nickel on this one has a lot of what I call "micro-scratches," not big gouges, but many fine marks that destroy the mirror-like finish this revolver had when it was new.

Maybe a rescue and some rehab is in order. The five-inch barrel, is, I believe, a less common variation than the six-inch in these guns.

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Model 27-2, 6-inch, in Nickel, with Blued Sights, Trigger, and Hammer Model 27-2, 6-inch, in Nickel, with Blued Sights, Trigger, and Hammer Model 27-2, 6-inch, in Nickel, with Blued Sights, Trigger, and Hammer Model 27-2, 6-inch, in Nickel, with Blued Sights, Trigger, and Hammer Model 27-2, 6-inch, in Nickel, with Blued Sights, Trigger, and Hammer  
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Based on the shape of the red insert and the information on the end label on the box, it was not a factory installed option. Also, the 27-2 was shipped with Magna stocks.

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