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Model 28-2 versus 27-2 as a range gun?
Good morning, So I'm just getting started with collecting S&W revolvers and want to get a .357 in a 4" to shoot at the range from time to time. It seems like the 28-2's you can find for cheaper but many are rough looking.
Would you all recommend investing in a 28-2 and hope to find a nice one for under maybe $600? or spend the extra money and find a nice 27-2 for maybe $1,000?
Not really looking to make money on this gun just want something nice looking and fun to shoot. What would be the most you might spend on a 28-2? Also trying to find a fair price range to look in.
Thanks for your all's input.
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If you are just limiting yourself to one or the other, I would look for a nice 27-2! That's because I really like the 27s, as that was the first .357 I bought way back when! The 28 is the same basic gun, but I don't think they were built with the same attention as the 27s were. Obviously, there are great guns of each model as well as some dogs! So, since you are looking at a choice between two different models that have not been made since the early 80s, I would get one that is in good shape and has good timing and action. Check out the info here on what to look for in buying a used gun and go forth and seek one! :-)
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Both are nice. 28-2 will have a ramp front sight while a 6” 27-2 probably will have a Patridge. 27 is shinier while 28 is more badass looking. Personal choice, but I prefer the 28.
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It all depends on the deals you run across I guess. At the range, you won't notice any difference shooting between a 28 or a 27 of the same barrel length except with the 6" model 27 will probably have a patridge front sight and the 6" 28 will have a Baughman ramp front sight. Both will have the same feel shooting as they are basically the same gun except for finish.
As to finding a nice shooter 28 for under $600; well in today's buying environment you will be lucky in the extreme to run across a deal like that, but I guess it is still possible. For a 27-2 in good shape for a shooter, figure at the minimum $900-1000 minimum. If you open your shopping to later revision, say a -3 to -5 engineering revision, you can probably knock $100-200 off of that number and still get a good quality revolver. I have a 27-5 gun and it's a sweet shooter, with forged internals and decent build quality. I also have several 27-2 guns and I prefer their looks to the -5 gun, but the -5 shoots just as well.
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When the right deal comes along you won't care which one it is. They both will get the job done. If you are lucky enough to find an inexpensive Model 28 don't let the lack of shine put you off.
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Welcome! If you want a 4” N frame .357 a model 27 is relatively uncommon in that length, and will cost upward of $1000-1200. For a range/shooting gun a model 28 will serve you well, with a really nice example in the $650 range. Functionally they are the same gun and should work exactly the same. Good luck in your decision.
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As others have mentioned, the 28s are basically the same gun and can be found for quite a bit less. With that being said, the popularity of the M28 seems to be rising rapidly so get out there and find one!
And BTW, I have specimens of both and find myself shooting the 28s much more than the 27s. They're just the workhorse of the crew.
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The 28 is the same basic gun, but I don't think they were built with the same attention as the 27s were.
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I keep reading this and it suggests that the 28s were put together less well than 27s. I have 4 or 5 28s between dash 2 and 3 in 4'' and 6''. All of them are very sweet guns and excellent shooters with great actions and very well fitted parts. They are not inferior or put together any different from the 27 only that they lack the machine checkering on the top strap (which I really do not like at all) and the polish of the 27. I prefer the 28s all days long as I like to utilitarian look.
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I think a range gun would be better with an adjustable rear sight.
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I have both and much prefer my 27-2 it has a wide target trigger and is a much smoother action than my 28-2 or my pre 28 HP and to me they just look better
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Welcome to the Forum
Unless you are looking for an ugly revolver (or get real lucky), I think the days of the sub $600 N-frames are well behind us.
The Model 27 was the first NEW revolver I ever purchased (way back in the 70s) and I still shoot it today. I have owned two Model 28s simply to have them in the collection. I have never fired either of them and in fact sold off the 4" because of the ridiculous prices they have been bringing
It is not about making money, or which one will be worth more 20-30-40 years down the road when I decide to sell it, I like things that look good, so I would not give consideration to a Model 28 and simply buy a Model 27.
You NEVER hear anyone justifying WHY they bought or shoot a Model 27 over a Model 28, but lots of folks feel the need to explain why they are shooting Model 28s
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I’m browsing online and the m-27 is starting to bring in big money. It’s over $1,000 and between $1,500 to $1,700. The longer we wait for a deal I feel the higher they may go. These will only go up in price I never seen the prices go down. I’m not a collector, I don’t look to invest, but I feel I want the best condition that I can afford. Down the road you won’t be sorry.
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I think the cross hatch checkering on the top to the 27 is absolutely stunning !
You can't make a bad decision here. I really enjoy the sparkle of the 27, but my 28 is what got me into bigger frame guns.
My hands are small for shooting DA and I thought J frames would be the ticket. I bought a bunch. After getting the 28 in a 3 gun auction, it turned out the N frame was much easier to shoot DA for me. It just didn't move around in my hand as much during the squeeze. I learned a lot and so that m28 still holds a spot in the rotation.
Both are outstanding.
My personal preferences may not be yours, but I really enjoy the long barrel 8 3/8" barrels on the 27 for shooting out past 100 yards +. I've never seen one on a 28.
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I don't think it makes much difference which you buy first. You will most likely buy the other soon after. They are both great revolvers.
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Which is more common, the 5" M27 or the 4" M27?
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I don't think it makes much difference which you buy first. You will most likely buy the other soon after. There both great great revolvers.
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Great answer. Just like an alcoholic. 1 drink is too many and 10 is not enough. Or Lay's potato chips, " Bet ya can't eat just one".
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Probably the 5", at least until the 27-3 variant. If I were going to buy an M27, which is not a priority, I would probably want the 5".
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The 6” barrels are more common. I like the 6” barrels much better. Buy all four barrel lengths the 4”, 5”, 6”, 8 3/8”. Just go slow.
I like to make a list of wants. Then when I find one that’s on my list it’s simple just buy it.
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I am after a 6" 28-2 right now. It was my first revolver. 101.00 brand new. I would not turn down a 27. 28's are great shooters, just not as classy looking as a 27. But, knowing me, I would take the 27, and want the 28 later.. It is a sickness. Neither will disappoint you at the range
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The big functional difference between the 28 and the 27 is variety.
You can find the 27s in six cataloged barrel lengths: 3.5", 4", 5", 6", 6.5" and 8.375" in nickel and blue. The model 28 is really only found in barrel lengths of 4" and 6" (there are a very very few 8.375" Model 28s that I have seen photos of - never one in person) and they are almost exclusively finished with a blue (there are a few that have been nickeled, but most of those are done after they left the factory).
Both are great guns. You cannot go wrong with either.
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27s and 28s both are adjustable sights
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I am in the same exact boat as the OP.I really want a model 27 but got really lucky at the only gun show I went to last year and a fellow had a 4 inch 28-2 with S serial number in pretty nice shape (just some carry rubs) but wrong grips that don't even match on both sides for $750 for sale. I managed him down to $550 and just bought some new targets to put on it. I would rather have a model 27, but even with the 8 inch barrels they run $800 as the very cheapest. So I settled on my 28-2. N frames seem kind of big to me and I actually prefer the feel of a K frame except when shooting 44 mag. and in that case I really need the heft of an N-frame to tame the recoil. So as of now the 28-2 and 29-3 are the only N frames I own. Keep your eyes peeled and you may happen across a good deal but midas well get a 28 for now until that day comes. As time passes it's a lucky day to run into any N frame in descent shape for under $700.
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I think the OP described his requirements.
A 28-2 4 in., they are around, and will give him a greater choice
to select from
A 27-2 4 in., not so much, not nearly the examples available.
My 27-2 Blue 4 in., would have a hard time coming up with a price
at this time to let it go.
For what I would say is obvious reasons.
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As a wise old Gun Guru told me years ago:
"You don't shoot bluing."
A rough looking M-28 at a "reasonable" price-if it locks up properly, the cylinder rotates smoothly, the trigger pull feels fine, the bore and forcing cone look good..get it !
I have both BTW, a 6" M-28, a 4" M-27.
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Very nice!
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I think the OP described his requirements.
A 28-2 4 in., they are around, and will give him a greater choice
to select from
A 27-2 4 in., not so much, not nearly the examples available.
My 27-2 Blue 4 in., would have a hard time coming up with a price
at this time to let it go.
For what I would say is obvious reasons.
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Beautiful gun! That would be great if I could find one.
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Which is more common, the 5" M27 or the 4" M27?
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The 5” .357 Magnum/model 27 was made from the 1950s until well into the 1980s, but the 4” (except for limited/special orders) were made in the early 1980s for a few years, dropped, then re-introduced in the Classics line. 5” are cool but I bet they outnumber the 4” by several thousands.
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You just dont settle for a HP. Its the greatest rev. S&W ever made.
I have a few of both. All great guns. The 27 is real pretty.
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I have a 5" 27-2 and 2 28-2s and both 6" are great revolvers and you can't go wrong with either. To me the 27 is a tad smoother and in the looks department it can't be beat with the bluing and the attention to the top strap metal work is outstanding.....JMHO
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My thoughts as we talk about cost I think the used prices are around or close to the cost of brand new. What do ya do buy used or go new.? You can save money going new in some cases. Now I have the m28 and m27-2 in 6” barrels side by side there pretty much the same revolver.
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Missed out on a pre 28
So made my first attempt at trying to get a 1954-55 M28 that appeared to be in very good shape and got beat out. It really does seem like every day the prices get higher and higher. Back to searching.
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I don't think it makes much difference which you buy first. You will most likely buy the other soon after. They are both great revolvers.
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A 28 no dash 6" was my 1st N frame. 1st online purchase too. Really wanted a 27, but that did not work. Gave up and moved on to bigger things. (45Colt, 45ACP, & .44's in N frame) Bob
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You will be well served with either one.
The Model 27 will have a front sight that is easier to pick up than the front sight of the model 28.
The Model 27 will have a nicer finish and a fancy checkered top strap. Other than that, they share 99% of the same DNA.
They are both excellent range guns.
I had a Model 28 and would carry it from time to time as well.
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Hey OP, I'm new also. So from one newbie to another.
Find and buy a model 28 highway patrolman. Then clean it up good, and shoot it, a lot.
Enjoy it, cause you'll never lose a penny in the future.
A model 27 your gonna pay for dearly, and every turn of cylinder will cost you in the future.
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Though I really wanted and still want a 27 I ended up getting a 28-3 six inch barrel. It’s been a really nice shooting gun especially since I sent it to a S&W master smith to smooth it out.
Still looking for a 27 but until I can find one that I can afford it will do.
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For a range gun, the 686 is tough to beat.
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27s are pretty, and if that is what you want, go for it! If it's strictly a range gun an 8.375" barrel will give you a very accurate revolver, cost a bit less, and certainly draw attention, particularly shooting magnum loads!
If you want a true target revolver, a long tube Model 14 can't be beat!
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So true I bought a 28-2 6” and 3 weeks later bought a 27 no dash 5”
Haven’t shot either yet so no comment on comparing the two.
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Welcome OP to the Forum from Virginia,
I've got all three, the 28-2, HP (1974) 4 inch and it is my "take to the range" every time.....whether 38 Special (cheaper and easier on the hands) or a couple cylinders of full load Maggies.
The 27-2 (1976) is a beautiful piece and with the 3-1/2" barrel, it is OK with 38, but really hard on the ears (even with good quality muffs), muzzle blast, gap fireball) and the hands (felt recoil is dang right up there in my tolerance zone....a touch greater than my 44 mag model 29 in my opinion).
The smoothest of them all is the "Pre-Model 27" as collectors call it (mine is circa 1951). This beauty has a 6-1/2" barrel, Patridge front sight (wide blade....really quick sight picture/target acquisition for me) and my best "paper puncher"
I also have a Model 14 and while 38 Special only....IF I were to enter some fun local target competition (nothing serious) that Model 14 is exactly what I would take to the range.
Obviously get whatever your money zone allows but in my opinion ANY of these guns will give you hours of fun range time, AND I seriously doubt you will ever lose value. In my book none of these will ever magically turn into a 1936 Registered Magnum anyway....so who cares....you only go around once.
Money wise...don't ask me as you can never "overpay" instead you can buy a S & W "too early" or you can wait for that "smoking hot deal" which seem to evade me.
To determine if your potential Seller is knowledgeable about whatever Smith & Wesson you go for...just ask him if that PA RTRIDGE front sight is wide blade or narrow.
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The Model 27 and the Model 28 are the same mechanically except for the model 27's higher gloss finish and checkered steel top strap. S&W made the changes to hit a lower price point for law enforcement agencies and police officers who bought their own revolvers. I'd save the money for my range revolver by getting the 28-2 in the barrel length you want.
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I have a shooter grade 27-2 with a 5 inch barrel and it is a real fun gun to shoot, I don't think you can go wrong with either but the 27 is sure pretty.
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Just to update those who are following I did finally find and purchase a 28-2. It has a 6" barrel and "S" serial number that dates it around 1966. It also has the original diamond grips with the same serial number. Ended up paying a little more than my original plan but not much.
Pictures to follow in a couple weeks after it arrives and I go through all of MD's waiting games.
Thank you all for your ideas and advice.
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06-08-2018, 08:37 PM
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Finally got it!
So I finally have my Highway Patrolman in hand. As promised I have included some pictures. Hope to get out and shoot it this weekend.
And while I was in the shopping mood I went ahead and bought a new 686-SSR too.
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06-08-2018, 09:39 PM
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M27 5"
M28 4"
Shot the M28 today.
What an easy revolver to shoot with full bore .357 Magnum ammo!
But still like my M27 5" better......
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06-11-2018, 12:23 AM
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Buy the 28-2 and use the extra cash on upgrades and trigger work and ammo! They are nice out of the box on average.
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