Are these Issues?

[zogger]

Looking at a Model 27-2 on GB. Wondering if the following two pixs show some issues to be concerned about.

In the first pix, there looks to be a crack in the firing pin hole. In the second pix, there appears to be "chips" one 4 of the cylinders where the extractor meets the cylinder.

Comments? Thanks!

[cgt4570]

No 'cracks' in the firing pin bushing that I can see. The 'chips' you mention look like instances where the cylinder was closed out of battery
with the hammer cocked, allowing the firing pin to fall between chambers.

[Inusuit]

I'm not offering advice nor am I an expert. From what I can see, the revolver would be safe to shoot, but the issues you've identified would certainly detract from the value to me. If ctg4570 is correct about how the chips occurred, I would be concerned about what other abuse might have been inflicted on the firearm by a careless or ignorant owner.

[Warren Sear]

From the peening along the recoil shield, it appears the revolver has been abused by someone slamming the cylinder shut (flicking their wrist to snap the cylinder home, just like the cool guys do in the movies). This gun has not been well treated. Buyer beware.

[monsai52]

The marks on the back of the cylinder look like they're the result of "throw by", most likely caused when the gun is being fired rapidly in double action and the cylinder for some reason isn't being stopped by the bolt, and has skipped past lock up in battery when the hammer falls. I'd check the condition of the cylinder bolt notches for damage. If that's what it is, it can be a dangerous condition, if it fires just a little out of battery, the chamber is out of alignment with the bbl, the bullet strikes the edge of the forcing cone, and you have a very high pressure situation. More than a few Colt SAA have lost their cylinders and top strap from firing out of battery.

Best regards,

[Snapping Twig]

Firing pin bushing can be changed.

The cylinder damage... I wouldn't buy it unless the price was REALLY right.

You know there's a story and perhaps hidden issues to have that kind of damage.

[00Buck2]

Looks to have been fired several times, as it should be. I see the shadow on the recoil shield but I see no crack. I can’t explain the possibility of chips on the cylinder. Appears like it would make for a great shooter as long as timing is on point.

[misswired]

I see what looks like a crack between 8:30 and 9o'clock in the firing pin hole.

[muddocktor]

Originally Posted by misswired

I see what looks like a crack between 8:30 and 9o'clock in the firing pin hole.

Looks more like gas cutting to me and that is the hammer nose bushing, which can be changed by S&W. As for the "chips" in the cylinder, I don't know what caused that. But I have a 27-2 that's had more than 30K rounds through it that doesn't have that kind of chipping on the cylinder by the extractor. I would be kind of leary about that one I think.

[k22fan]

Originally Posted by monsai52

The marks on the back of the cylinder look like they're the result of "throw by", most likely caused when the gun is being fired rapidly in double action and the cylinder for some reason isn't being stopped by the bolt, and has skipped past lock up in battery when the hammer falls. I'd check the condition of the cylinder bolt notches for damage. If that's what it is, it can be a dangerous condition, if it fires just a little out of battery, the chamber is out of alignment with the bbl, the bullet strikes the edge of the forcing cone, and you have a very high pressure situation. More than a few Colt SAA have lost their cylinders and top strap from firing out of battery.

Best regards,

I agree with what I bolded. However, the cylinder stop not springing back up smartly could have been caused by coagulated lubricants and crud build up that was easily cleaned out. The crud could have been cleaned out leaving the firing pin indents to tell the story of what happened in the past or the crud could still be there. I have to put the other possibility forward as a question. If at one time it was reassembled with the spring inside the trigger on the wrong side of the hand's pin could the action have been cycled without the hand rotating the cylinder far enough? In that case the hand would not function with the revolver pointed up but would it function unreliably with the revolver horizontal?

Absent an in hand inspection of carry up and lock up I would not buy it unless the price was very low. Even if it has been repaired the firing pin indents will effect its value forever and I would not enjoy looking at them.

[misswired]

Originally Posted by muddocktor

Looks more like gas cutting to me and that is the hammer nose bushing, which can be changed by S&W. As for the "chips" in the cylinder, I don't know what caused that. But I have a 27-2 that's had more than 30K rounds through it that doesn't have that kind of chipping on the cylinder by the extractor. I would be kind of leary about that one I think.

With eyes and ears open I'm absorbing knowledge like a sponge.
It looks like the bushing has been peened from 6o'clock to the cut. Would that of been caused by hot' loads, or improperly loaded hot loads?

[steelslaver]

I agree with Warren Sear about the peening displayed on recoil shield around the cut out for the ratchet. Cylinder repeatedly slammed shut.

Also think the marks around the extractor/cylinder junctions have been cause by firing pin strikes while out of time.

All this point to some abuse by an idiot previous owner. Gun probably needs a bit of work by someone who know what they are doing with a revolver.

It also shows a bit of a fired round count but not real high. I always look at the recoil shield for the marks of case heads. How clear the marks are gives you an idea on round count, high power rounds doing more to mark than mild round of course, but it gives you a rough idea of a wear factor.
That gun maybe a couple t thousand at most, actually nothing for a N frame 357. I have a pre 28 that every spot has 0 blue left. Except for some end shake its fine.

[zogger]

Thanks for the feedback. I am going to pass on this one.