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Old 07-08-2018, 01:55 PM
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Watched a little of this on the Fourth of July. In one scene, Sgt. Hafner (R. Lee Ermey) hears a sound on the roof of his bunker, and draws a revolver as he investigates.

Looks like a Model 19 or perhaps a Model 27, but that's just a guess. Anyone know for sure?
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Better picture of it late in the movie (when he is with "Nardo" at the end or when he is flat on his back and shoots the VC attacking him). Assuming it is the same gun (and you can never be sure in a movie) it looks like a Colt Trooper to me.
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A guy who worked for me back in the 1990's carried his own M19 in Viet Nam. He retired a colonel. He would tell stories about how Cong would hide in and under barrels in the towns and how he would pop the barrels with his 357 until blood would run out on the ground. It all finally got to him and he was admitted to a government mental facility. I never heard from him again.
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A guy who worked for me back in the 1990's carried his own M19 in Viet Nam. He retired a colonel. He would tell stories about how Cong would hide in and under barrels in the towns and how he would pop the barrels with his 357 until blood would run out on the ground. It all finally got to him and he was admitted to a government mental facility. I never heard from him again.
A great story...a little depressing but very interesting nonetheless.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:49 AM
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watch it a couple times a year. Reminds me of the sacrifice of many
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A guy who worked for me back in the 1990's carried his own M19 in Viet Nam. He retired a colonel. He would tell stories about how Cong would hide in and under barrels in the towns and how he would pop the barrels with his 357 until blood would run out on the ground. It all finally got to him and he was admitted to a government mental facility. I never heard from him again.

That reminds me of a man who engaged an insurgent attacking a convoy in Iraq. He owned a H-K G-3 that he carried when expecting long range action, but had an M-4 carbine that day, with its less effective 5.56mm ammo.

The enemy was ducking behind a barrel at about 200 meters, popping out to fire.

The American finally nailed him with armor piercing ammo, and he fell out from behind the barrel, where he was finished off.

The American is a member here, and if he sees this may add details, but that's basically it. At the time, he had finished a couple of combat tours in the Army and was a civilian "contractor". His duties consisted mainly of protecting convoys en route to posts near the Kurdish border and protecting US State Dept. and other dignitaries.

Anyway, the barrel bit reminded me of his experience that day.

However, the earlier story of the colonel shooting randomly into barrels seems a little over the top, not to mention being a frequent waste of ammo. I suspect that .357 cartridges were fairly hard to obtain in Vietnam. And few were loaded with Hague Accords compliant bullets. Can anyone think of ANY .357 Magnum rounds that would?

I think the Navy pilot (Stephen Coonts) who wrote, Flight of the Intruder and other good novels wore a S&W M-19 over Vietnam. He mentions the gun in a book, but didn't describe the ammo. May have used Navy issued .38 Special cartridges or .38-44 with FMJ bullets.

The American who shot the jehadi behind the barrel wore a Browning MK III 9mm and used it on occasion. But that was a rifle situation.

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does anyone have a dvd for this movie? would like to purchase. thanks....dan
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Haven't looked at this site in a while, usually a good source for TV and movie firearms.
No mention of a handgun used by Ermey (Hafner). Must be an oversight on their part.
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Better picture of it late in the movie (when he is with "Nardo" at the end or when he is flat on his back and shoots the VC attacking him). Assuming it is the same gun (and you can never be sure in a movie) it looks like a Colt Trooper to me.


A 6” Trooper is what I remember from that one.
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I think its a 4” Trooper. This is the best picture I could get. It looks more “Colty” when the scene is playing rather than freeze framed.

Edited to add: Found a much better shot when he is putting down Di Nardo. Definitely a Colt (or a local Filipino version).
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I think its a 4” Trooper. This is the best picture I could get. It looks more “Colty” when the scene is playing rather than freeze framed.

Edited to add: Found a much better shot when he is putting down Di Nardo. Definitely a Colt (or a local Filipino version).
Might be a custom barrel and front sight on a Police Positive Special. Probably some prop thing or Filipino copy.

Look at the frame. A Diamondback that's been re-barrelled? But the rear sight isn't from any Colt that I've seen.

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Old 07-21-2018, 11:40 AM
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Perhaps it's a generic prop gun? Capable of firing nothing but blanks.
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Perhaps it's a generic prop gun? Capable of firing nothing but blanks.
That firing pin on the second pic looks really off/thin to me. My Colt's firing pins are much thicker on my .38Specials...
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Some time ago Charlie Bethwick's M-27 was for sale on GB-I wish I had bought it.
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Anybody else notice the barrel pin? I don't recall ever seeing a Colt double action revolver with a pinned barrel like the Smith and Wessons.

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It’s the Rock Island Filipino (Armscor) version of the Colt. They pin the barrels.



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I'll be honest, the fact that he used that in the movie just make me like revolvers more. It was a long time ago I saw it and at the time I thought it was a model 10. After seeing the pics I could see why I thought that. But yeah, that second pic definitely shows Colt frame. The ejector and barrel don't really look like a Colt to me. Though. Some kind of fake movie gun set up probably.
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I think we have a winner. I didn’t notice the pinned barrel. The movie was filmed in the Philippines, so an Armscor gun makes sense.
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Did Armscor make revolvers back then? That movie is old. Well, if they did, it wasn't with a shroud around the ejector.
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Yes, they made revolvers back then. Geez, we're not talking about "The Longest Day."

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LOL. I don't know when it was made. Did it say 83?
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