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Old 10-08-2018, 09:14 PM
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Picked up a NIB 25-5, sn N679681, that the SCSW dates about 1980. The price didn't make me as nervous as buying a revolver that was still in the sealed carton - from 1980. The seller assured me that he would take it back if it was a rusted hunk of junk. Well, it wasn't, but it does have a flaw. On the frame opposite the yoke cut there is a minor finish flaw. Also strange is the area on the carton label showing "special features" has been cut out. Inside, the plain blue box has a tear, but that's to be expected I guess. The $64K question is: Did S&W sell guns with factory flaws, or blems, and is this one of them? Your thoughts and expert opinions are welcome.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:48 PM
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Storage/handling mark. Sid back in forth in the box or something like that. No idea about why the box was cut up.
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Old 10-08-2018, 10:04 PM
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My blue box has a similar tear. Barrel slam from mishandling I figured. And here's the pic of my label.

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Old 10-08-2018, 10:35 PM
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My educated guess is the package you bought was assembled by someone to make higher money. The outside cardboard should have more stickers like EricRs package. Depends on what you paid whether you got hurt or not.
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Old 10-08-2018, 10:39 PM
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Yep bought an unopened 29-2 that had a nasty scratch on the frame. Was during the Dirty Harry time and I had waited 18 months to get it for retail $256 I believe
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:47 AM
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I've often wondered about this. People can fake everything else, so how hard is it to fake an "unopened" carton?
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Why would you buy a gun in a sealed up box without looking at the gun??????
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:40 AM
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In my case the salesman opened the sleeve and when we saw the scratch he said do you want it or not ? At the time 29ś were selling for for
$500 and up
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Thanks to everyone. I am certainly happy with it, just curious about the flaw and the label part missing. I don't think I got hurt price-wise. When I opened the box it looked original, and the white sticker is on the opposite end. It had been fired 3 times, every other cylinder. I cleaned and oiled it before I stored it. I'll post a few more pics I took at the dealer's counter.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:14 AM
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Picked up a NIB 25-5, sn N679681, that the SCSW dates about 1980. The price didn't make me as nervous as buying a revolver that was still in the sealed carton - from 1980. The seller assured me that he would take it back if it was a rusted hunk of junk. Well, it wasn't, but it does have a flaw. On the frame opposite the yoke cut there is a minor finish flaw. Also strange is the area on the carton label showing "special features" has been cut out. Inside, the plain blue box has a tear, but that's to be expected I guess. The $64K question is: Did S&W sell guns with factory flaws, or blems, and is this one of them? Your thoughts and expert opinions are welcome.
IMHO, UNLIKE TODAY---BACK IN THE 1980s, THERE WAS AN AIR OF PRIDE IN WORKMANSHIP AT S&W, AND A QC STAFF THAT DID A GOOD JOB. THEY DID NOT ALLOW PRODUCTS WITH BLEMS OR FLAWS TO BE SHIPPED.....

IF THE BOX LOOKS LESS THAN PRISTINE, THE FINISH MAY HAVE BEEN WORN FROM SLIDING AROUND IN THE BOX..........
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2 More pics from when I opened it at the dealer's counter
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Can't see pic real well but isn't turn line a little much for a gun
that was sealed in box?
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I have a new looking Model 29-2 5 inch that has a gouge on the side of the frame edge right where the barrel screws in. It appears to be a factory shipped that way. I will just leave it like that, as I don't think I could make any attempt at repair that would look better and probably worse.

Some guns go out the door that are not perfect, and I have seen that in every era that I have Smiths!
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Can't see pic real well but isn't turn line a little much for a gun
that was sealed in box?
The stocks are missing some finish on left side also. He bought a used gun.

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IMHO, UNLIKE TODAY---BACK IN THE 1980s, THERE WAS AN AIR OF PRIDE IN WORKMANSHIP AT S&W, AND A QC STAFF THAT DID A GOOD JOB. THEY DID NOT ALLOW PRODUCTS WITH BLEMS OR FLAWS TO BE SHIPPED.....

IF THE BOX LOOKS LESS THAN PRISTINE, THE FINISH MAY HAVE BEEN WORN FROM SLIDING AROUND IN THE BOX..........
I wish I could agree with this, but it's not 100% correct. Back in 1982 I purchased my Model 25 in .45 Colt with 8 3/8" barrel and presentation case. I was thrilled to finally have it, and it was perfection to my eyes. But I guess I never noticed the flaw, and it wasn't until about 10 years ago when a friend noticed it when I was showing the still minty gun to him.
He asked me, "What happened to your barrel?" And of curse I asked him what the heck he was talking about? He pointed to the muzzle and said one side of the barrel was slightly low, compared to the other side.
Sure enough, when I looked dead on with the muzzle pointed at me the metal on one side is not as round as the other, and appears slightly low. It looks like the barrel possibly got dropped and then a scratch buffed off, or maybe just a imperfection blended out. It's only noticeable if you point the muzzle right at you and see it's slightly low.
But since I bought the gun new, and I looked it over prior to purchase, it certainly came this way from S&W. I wish I'd never seen it, or had it pointed out. It was better when I didn't notice it was there. Now I always notice it whenever I handle it or shoot it.
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IMHO, UNLIKE TODAY---BACK IN THE 1980s, THERE WAS AN AIR OF PRIDE IN WORKMANSHIP AT S&W, AND A QC STAFF THAT DID A GOOD JOB. THEY DID NOT ALLOW PRODUCTS WITH BLEMS OR FLAWS TO BE SHIPPED.....

IF THE BOX LOOKS LESS THAN PRISTINE, THE FINISH MAY HAVE BEEN WORN FROM SLIDING AROUND IN THE BOX..........
Hate to disagree with you, but in 1980 I bought one of the last of the Model 28-2s. It had bad yoke end shake. The yoke screw had been screwed into the yoke button without the yoke being pressed all the way into the frame.

I saw a 1983 production Model 24-3 4" that you could read "Smith & Wesson" in the rifling from the roll stamp being pressed in too hard.

And then there was the Model 24-3 6 and 1/2 inch that the frame nose wasn't square on. The barrel was canted off about 5 degrees to the right. I got that one for a song because no matter how far you adjusted the rear sight, it would not shoot to point of aim. Cylinder and slide fixed that one.

And then there was the Model 1988 .45 ACP. The cylinder flutes were cut off center between the charge holes. I have to admit stupidity on that one. I kept looking at it and there was something wrong. Couldn't put my finger on it. After I did, I took it back to the store and they couldn't spot it either, but after they did it went to S&W the same day.
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Picked up a NIB 25-5,
Not sure that I see the "imperfection" in the first photos, but appears to have oil? and rub on left side of grips in second set of photos? Could be light or angle from the camera. He told you it was an unopened box?? As a dealer for more than 27 years, no firearm box that comes in remains unopened. I have to check the SN# and book it with in 24 hrs, and over the years I have seen mistakes in SN#'s, so unopened?? Unlikely!
I have also had new guns that had tiny rub marks in the strangest places, some had to be returned to factory. As for the label, it may have said nickel which the gun was not so it was removed, in the nearly 40 years since it has been built it probably has traveled around. If you like the gun, and the " imperfections" do not bother you and the price was right then there is no problem. I have purchased "blem" guns over the years, though I do not remember any from S&W. Be Safe,
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Priority One: how does it shoot ?
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I'm going with dried oil. It's been shelved, moved, bumped, etc. for 35 years. Storage conditions may have ranged from warm to cold to bone dry to humid. Clean it up and enjoy it. Heck for the price you paid you done good, STL69.
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