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Is anyone currently making new trigger shoes for Smith's? Ace went out of business years ago I believe. Angle Porting makes them for some shotguns, and I tried to adapt one to my K22, but the shapes of the two triggers are very different.

Is eBay/used the only option?
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I've seen Ace trigger shoes on both eBay and GB. Of course, Ace no longer produces trigger shoes.

I've never personally purchased from them, but Tyler MFG currently markets trigger shoes:

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I would put an add in the wanted to buy section here. I bet there are some around. Last one I had I gave away.
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The dangers of trigger shoes were well known by the mid-70s, and I cannot imagine any scenario in which I would advocate their use.
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The dangers of trigger shoes were well known by the mid-70s, and I cannot imagine any scenario in which I would advocate their use.
Those “dangers” were limited to worries about the extra width causing hang-ups on holsters and generally getting in the way during defensive shooting scenarios.

So I don’t see where the issue would be on a K22. Trigger shoes were always meant to be a target shooting accessory, and if the OP thinks one would improve his trigger, it is not going to attack him.
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Thank you Absalom, both in general principle and for nailing my intended use for the gun/shoe. This is a target gun, it travels to and from the range unloaded in a case. I want the option of both narrow and wide triggers, and the shoe would "fit" my needs. I have trigger shoes on other target guns, and I like them.

And thank you Bayou, I'll check that out!
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I sure hope you are aware of the "Damage" the set screws used to secure the shoe to the trigger do to the Case Hardening or "Flash Chrome" on your trigger. Circles where they tightened on the trigger are permanent unless you can have the original finish redone. A SUGGESTION: Please find a "Target Trigger" instead if your revolver has any collector value.
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There are times when I want a narrow trigger, and times when I want a wide one. Hence the appeal of a shoe. I actually do have a wide target trigger the gun originally came with.

The narrow trigger I replaced it with was a narrowed down target trigger, so no collector value there.
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Tyler's size #1 will set you back just under $32 with shipping. The #1 fits the standard size trigger on a K-frame. I have one on most of my S&W revolvers. Check it out at Tyler Manufacturing and Distribution Company, Inc.
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What is the width of the trigger you're trying to find a shoe for Patrick?
I have one I took off my "pre" 24 that I'll never use again, and I'd happily sell it. If you're interested just let me know the width and I'll check mine to see if it would work for you.
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Putting a lead bead from a shotgun shell, of the correct size, between the trigger and shoe set screw, will eliminate any damage to the finish on the trigger. Simple and effective for the cost of a single shell you may have at home.
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The dangers of trigger shoes were well known by the mid-70s, and I cannot imagine any scenario in which I would advocate their use.
Trigger shoes are probably not what anyone would use or want on a carry gun. But they have a long history on competition guns where accuracy is important.
When I shot bullseye matches I saw a lot of guns with trigger shoes for comfort and improving trigger feel. They work fantastic for target shooting, and two of my guns still have them, and will stay on them.
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The dangers of trigger shoes were well known by the mid-70s, and I cannot imagine any scenario in which I would advocate their use.
I still have them on my two of my NRA Bullseye Target guns ,
a reworked model 64 38 special and an accurized 1911 45 acp .
The model 41 S&W 22 LR came with a wide trigger.
Been shooting them since 1972 with nary a problem .
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I have one that I took off an M28 (N frame) that I would give to someone if you can use it.
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I have one that I took off an M28 (N frame) that I would give to someone if you can use it.
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I suppose the OP has the first right, but if he declines, I could use that shoe for one of my shooters.

Thanks for your kind offer!

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I suppose the OP has the first right, but if he declines, I could use that shoe for one of my shooters.

Thanks for your kind offer!

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I guess I was assuming that one off an N frame (mine) wouldn't fit a K frame but I'm somewhat ignorant about these things. You two work it out and I'll be happy to send to either of you.
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I'll take it! It should fit fine. I'll send you a pm later when I'm home with address, etc.
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I'll take it! It should fit fine. I'll send you a pm later when I'm home with address, etc.
Sounds good. I'm happy for the OP!

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Used standard trigger shoes on a few of my Model 70 match rifles. Only advantages I felt they gave was slightly better trigger control and the "Feel" of a slightly trigger. However I do have one of the now no longer Canjar single set triggers for my model 70 post 64 match rifle in 30-06. Frankly trigger shoes on revolvers kinda gives me cause for concern regarding an accidental discharge. Especially if the holster is tight and revolver is lowered down into the holster. But seems some folks use them then don't,while others swear by them. Frank
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I still have them on my two of my NRA Bullseye Target guns ,
a reworked model 64 38 special and an accurized 1911 45 acp .
The model 41 S&W 22 LR came with a wide trigger.
Been shooting them since 1972 with nary a problem .
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One of mine is on a 1911A1 that was shot at Camp Perry in the 50's and 60's. It belonged to a Navy Officer who shot on the Navy team. It has the usual modifications that Navy armorers did to the 1911's the team members shot in bullseye. Target sights, flat mainspring housing, and that trigger shoe.
I love the feel of the trigger shoe, and the gun is still the most accurate .45 I own. Even slightly more accurate than the 745 IPSC S&W I used in bullseye.
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I've often wondered what the difference was between trigger shoes and target triggers on revolvers?
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Think of a trigger shoe as a poor man's way to obtain a target trigger. As noted, there are 2 ways that the shoes are unsafe: 1) the shoe can loosen and work its way down, keeping the revolver from firing, which could be deadly in a self defense situation and 2) an over wide shoe could hang the edge of the holster, causing an accidental discharge.
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But. couldn't a target trigger do the same, as far as hanging on the edge of the holster, just as wide aren't they?
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Not as I recall, but I cannot swear I am right. The stuff to which I referred was 40-odd years ago, and what brain space I have has been consumed by other details. I will admit that I did approach the issue and respond from inside my own experiences and biases, which are almost entirely related to defensive use of firearms. Included in those would be a preference for a smooth trigger (face), and a reasonably smooth trigger press.
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I believe the width of the shoe exceeds the width of the trigger guard whereas the width of the target trigger does not...

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This is certainly true of the one I have.
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I guess I was assuming that one off an N frame (mine) wouldn't fit a K frame but I'm somewhat ignorant about these things. You two work it out and I'll be happy to send to either of you.
K, L and N triggers, of the same vintage, are the same. The standard narrow trigger is .265" wide.
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My M27 has one on it.

Never heard of them until I posted this picture here in the forum and asked what it was.

I still haven't had a chance to shoot it.
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Trigger shoes can give the similar shape and size of a S&W target trigger, but they certainly don't do anything as far as improving triggers. Their purpose is strictly improving contact feel of your trigger finger on the trigger. Most people like the wider surface area vs. the narrow triggers that tend to "cut" into your finger during long matches.
A typical bullseye match is 30 shots for each type of pistol, and three pistols used. .22RF, Any Centerfire, and .45ACP. So 90 rounds fired during a match. Doesn't sound like a lot for those who shoot or plink casually, but it does create finger fatigue for shooters over a match.
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