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A Gun for Grocery Shopping in World War C
I was doing a little day-dreaming (night-maring?) about the current situation, wondering what would happen, if society moderately, but not completely disintegrated, and we were left to fend for ourselves, on trips to the grocery store, to buy eggs. Thanks to Amazon, I'm good on toilet paper. Thanks to a successful hunting season, I'm good on meat.
I've been putting off getting my CCW. I'm lazy, and I live in a very safe, smallish city...and, now, classes are shuttered.
so, if I decide I need to carry, it will be open.
I figure a guy needs an imposing sidearm, to make his point. Toward that end, and not owning a Python, I picked out a few of my handguns that I thought might fit in the bill.
Springfield Armory Range Officer (.45 ACP): Iconic platform, iconic round, slim profile, 7+1, reload 7, reload 7.
Smith & Wesson Model 66 4": Easy to carry, potent round.
Smith & Wesson Model 28-2 4": All business, great recoil absorption.
Model 27-2 6", Nickel: Shiny and big
Which, of these, would you open-carry, during troubled times, and why?
just wonderin'
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I was doing a little day-dreaming (night-maring?) about the current situation, wondering what would happen, if society moderately, but not completely disintegrated, and we were left to fend for ourselves, on trips to the grocery store, to buy eggs. Thanks to Amazon, I'm good on toilet paper. Thanks to a successful hunting season, I'm good on meat.
I've been putting off getting my CCW. I'm lazy, and I live in a very safe, smallish city...and, now, classes are shuttered.
so, if I decide I need to carry, it will be open.
I figure a guy needs an imposing sidearm, to make his point. Toward that end, and not owning a Python, I picked out a few of my handguns that I thought might fit in the bill.
Springfield Armory Range Officer (.45 ACP): Iconic platform, iconic round, slim profile, 7+1, reload 7, reload 7.
Smith & Wesson Model 66 4": Easy to carry, potent round.
Smith & Wesson Model 28-2 4": All business, great recoil absorption.
Model 27-2 6", Nickel: Shiny and big
Which, of these, would you open-carry, during troubled times, and why?
just wonderin'
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The other day when I went to the grocery store, I was the only one wearing a mask. Everyone was scared of me. Can’t imagine what a gun would do
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I CC a model 36 but that wasn't on the list.
1911 (45 ACP) in a shoulder holster if you have it.
Don't make eye contact and keep your 6' social distance.
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Considering the mostly bare shelves I saw today, why are you worried? Can't steal what they don't have.
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The other day when I went to the grocery store, I was the only one wearing a mask. Everyone was scared of me. Can’t imagine what a gun would do
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You know. If you carry a gun and a mask you may even get your groceries for free.
But the cops may be waiting for you outside.
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Given those options, the Model 66 4" would be my pick. I'd keep a speedloader in my pocket too if I were you. Keep the gun and the speedloader loaded with some potent 158gr .357 like an Underwood HP offering.
For me right now it's a semi auto. G29 Gen 4 with 2x spare mags (all with pinky extensions, all loaded with Underwood 180gr XTP, all OWB) with my Model 60-10 3" .357 backing it up (loaded with Underwood 158gr SJHP).
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You know. If you carry a gun and a mask you may even get your groceries for free.
But the cops may be waiting for you outside.
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For open carry/answering your qustion: 1) R.O. 45; 2) 4" 38/357.
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Whichever one I have the best retention holster for. In your photo it looks like that would be the 45ACP. My one concern about open carry in the scenario you've outlined is someone coming up behind me and trying to take my OC pistol.
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All fine firearms you have there!!
Of those pictured I would choose the 45 ACP and a spare magazine. A very good choice for these trying times we are in!
When things get worse and I believe they will my choice is pictured
My Remington 870 with 7 1/4" barrel
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I always tell people, if I'm a bad guy, or I need food and I see someone with open carry, guess who I take out first? CC is best, just like "Don't ask Don't tell" I have been carrying for over forth years and no issues.
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I have not and will not open carry outside of "private property." Some of today's folks who are otherwise docile get downright ornery when they know you are armed. I can cover my 4" 29 with oversize shirts even in hot weather. But carrying 3 lbs of six-shooter all day ain't something I'm wanting to do. Joe
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I would never consider for even one second to open carry.
I don't want or need the attention.
What I conceal carry depends on what I'm wearing.
Either my 640-1, 642-1 or my M&P .45.
"IF" I HAD to open carry I'd probably carry my M-58 and not tuck my shirt in.
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If social order goes out the window the last thing I am going to worry about is having a valid concealed carry permit.
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I would carry the 1911. Because I really like the platform and it's a heck of a lot quicker to draw than a 6 inch model 27. BTW, Wilson Combat makes an excellent 8 round magazine for the 1911.
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I carry all the time and have for 40 years....In the summer, I often carry a J-frame .357 (340S) with Barnes 125gr. bullets. It fits in my Shorts pocket i a nice Desantis sticky holster.
My preferred carry gun is the one I designed and had built by my favorite gunsmith, Walt Frear. It is a titanium frame, damascus slide commander with all the bells and whistles, (Kart NM barrel, videcki trigger, Briley bushing, XS sights, etc) It is light weight, accurate, and powerful. .45 reigns.
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I always tell people, if I'm a bad guy, or I need food and I see someone with open carry, guess who I take out first? CC is best, just like "Don't ask Don't tell" I have been carrying for over forth years and no issues.
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CC not an option, for now, unless I want to do so illegally. I wont do that until things get totally side-ways.
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I believe open carry draws attention to yourself, both by the good and the bad. If the need should ever arise for me to actually shoot someone, I want to have shot the first tango, and moving on to any remaining tangos before anyone realizes I had a firearm!
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I would carry the 1911. Because I really like the platform and it's a heck of a lot quicker to draw than a 6 inch model 27. BTW, Wilson Combat makes an excellent 8 round magazine for the 1911.
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I'll check out Wilson Combat magazines, thanks!
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If you’re not an officer and not wearing a badge all open carry does is advertise for someone to take away from you and use it on you.
Open carry are the first targets of opportunity your adversaries see.
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Carry a .44 magnum.
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Which, of these, would you open-carry, during troubled times, and why? just wonderin'
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The 1911, and dress suitably for the occasion.
Seriously, although I have no personal experience with the situation, it seems to me open carry makes the carrier the first target, unless things have deteriorated to the point most people are open carrying..
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I've carried a M38-3 for years. The last week my SA Operator has been on my hip under a large shirt. Chip McCormick 10 rounder. There is **** going down here in Texas
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I wouldn't open carry on a bet. Too much attention, too many people would think of you as an opportunity instead of a threat.
The more shiny and bigger, the more opportunity. For them.
Once this hysteria is over, get motivated and get your CCW. You won't need a gun anytime soon due to this over-hyped nonsense.
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As others have already noted, not a good idea to open carry (unless S really does HTF).
I pulled some guns out of the safe, to alleviate the boredom of isolation. Can't go to the range. Tired of watching the news. Seen all the Zombie/Post Apocalypse movies.
Just wanted to reach out, show off some guns, and have a little fun.
Thanks for all the comments!
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Given the described situation and posted pictures, I'd pick the .45 with an additional magazine. The higher capacity will reduce the chance that you will have to reload, if you do have to reload or change magazines its faster to reload. Also, the trigger pull is lighter, yet still safe due to the manual safety verse the heavier double action of the revolver. Also, the manual safety and thumb break holster gives some resistance to grabs.
I'd also recommend assessing the situation and area before going in. You don't want to accidentally scare folks into an incident. Another recommendation is team shopping, that way some one can keep an eye out for gun grabbers or other idiots while you grab what you need or vice versa.
I also recommend getting a CCW as soon as classes are offered again.
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If you live in a “very safe, smallish city” why are you determined to open carry now? Is it no longer safe or smallish?
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So far where I live things have been mostly civil. However I've noticed people starting to hang out in parking lots and I suspect we aren't that far away from people just grabbing groceries from shopping carts. If things continue as they are.
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Only you can decide. With which one can you carry securely, draw smoothly and hit well? That's your best choice.
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If you must open carry you must. I would carry a weapon that carries as close to the body as humanly possible as open carrying is an invitation to Grand Theft in one is not very aware of their surroundings. A good Gun Belt as well as a very form fitting and close to the body hugging holster as well as couple of reloads. Otherwise do not venture out sir. Go with God.
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A few weeks ago I might have had a different answer... but our present circumstances sure have changed things a little.
I had my fill of "open carry" after spending 35 years in a police uniform. I simply do not get what y'all think is so great about it! I STILL have severe back issues, 5 years after retiring.... and a "dent" in my right side just behind my hip, where I religiously carried in a high-ride holster.
Anyway, I'd go with the smallest, lightest possible. For me these days, that's usually a Chief, a Kahr CM9 or 45, a 9 or 45 Shield, or one of my 3rd Gen S&W 9s. The reason is simple: I know the difference between being allowed strictly defensive action and taking a police action. You need firepower for the latter, but the former, absolutely not. The only things large guns are good for when you're "out and about" as a "civilian" are getting a bad back or getting in trouble. If you aren't a cop, and you should thank your lucky stars these days if you aren't, you do NOT want to ever, ever put yourself in a position where you're mistaken for one for any reason. First, you can't do anything, and second, it's just too easy for some panicked old lady to point to you in the middle of an incident and say something like, "You're a cop! DO SOMETHING!" Thereby making you unnecessarily the center of attention. By the way: if you did take action in a situation like that you'd most likely be screwed.
Oh, there are a thousand people out there that will disagree with me. No problem. But a couple times in the course of "normal life" someone's got the drop on me. Both times turned out OK - but it was clear that the only reason it happened was that I was visibly armed. (Yeah, yeah, "awareness," blah blah blah. I've simplified the story, OK?)
The other thing - that you can't really "do" anything - is rooted in what I've seen over the years as self defense law has evolved. It's become more political than ever. The places where one can be the "hero" and save everyone with a well-placed shot are rapidly dwindling. Now they're more concerned with, "Why didn't you run?" or some variation of that. When they expect uniformed police officers to "back off" to either wait for backup or to "diffuse the situation" and they are willing to indict cops for taking action that they don't agree with after the fact, what do you think your chances are?
In spite of all we hear about hoarders and shelf-clearing at the local grocery, things haven't devolved to the point where we're all looting to survive. And I would expect all of our M.O.'s to change if things got to that point. For now, dressing out in combat gear isn't necessary, and God willing, it won't come to pass.
You all are going to do what you want for whatever reasons (or excuses) you can come up with. And that's fine. It's a free country. My sole motivation for advocating much less than what seems to be the common "wisdom" on most gun boards is that I don't want to see anyone get in unnecessary trouble. Think twice about what you're doing, and then think again. A small gun, something to cover your escape if necessary, is plenty.
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I am disappointed to see a SHTF / EOTWAWKI thread on this good forum.
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I think you're being unrealistic.
Last night, my son saw police interviewing a man just robbed of his groceries, in the store parking lot.
Time to leave the ivory tower view of guns and get real.
Said son also saw some scruffy men eyeing him and his new Ford 150 truck. He was glad he was armed. I believe he's carried a Colt .38 Super the most these days.
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03-24-2020, 02:39 AM
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So far where I live things have been mostly civil. However I've noticed people starting to hang out in parking lots and I suspect we aren't that far away from people just grabbing groceries from shopping carts. If things continue as they are.
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See my post, No. 39. Armed robbery of groceries, in the store parking lot. This was in San Antonio.
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03-24-2020, 04:52 AM
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That could earn you a big red hole in your belly if you tried to use it on somebody.
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You were not thinking I was being serious, right?
Edit. On a serious note. I would carry concealed. But I do have a permit for that.
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03-24-2020, 05:05 AM
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We all have to remember, the best defense is our mind, not violence.
First, walk away.
I do carry (S&W 649-2) and have a concealed weapons permit.. Each time I put it in my coat pocket, I tell myself, " This is my LAST resort, not my first option. "
To your point, open carry is a bad idea. If the SHTF, your open carry gun is at much higher risk to be taken from you by someone in, or you taken out first by, that unruly mob.
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03-24-2020, 07:46 AM
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As noted, I would let a bad guy take my groceries. It is only a modicum of money. They can have my vehicle too. Not worth a gun fight.
I certainly sympathize with the concern over social disorder. I have seen and experienced it in other places, but hope it does not come to pass in this scenario. In some places, folks inclined towards evil deeds and spurred by anxiety may go too far. Social cohesion only works so long.
Years ago Mas Ayoob had a column where he talked about open carry. I recall he advocated (1)a secure holster, preferably a Level II and (2) Dressing to reduce the obviousness of the gun, such as black gun/black holster/black shirt/black pants. His reasoning was that met the legal requirements but also reduced the negatives of visibility. Therefore, the Model 64 is out.
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03-24-2020, 08:21 AM
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All great guns. However, even in a "moderate meltdown", you are more apt to face multiple threats. I would go with more ammo/quicker reload. Better to have more ammo and not need it than to need it and not have it. In an apocalypse situation, desperate individuals won't give a darn about the law. It will be "chaos" because the law will be unavailable or unwilling to help. Go with the .45.
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03-24-2020, 08:24 AM
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As noted, I would let a bad guy take my groceries. It is only a modicum of money. They can have my vehicle too. Not worth a gun fight.
I certainly sympathize with the concern over social disorder. I have seen and experienced it in other places, but hope it does not come to pass in this scenario. In some places, folks inclined towards evil deeds and spurred by anxiety may go too far. Social cohesion only works so long.
Years ago Mas Ayoob had a column where he talked about open carry. I recall he advocated (1)a secure holster, preferably a Level II and (2) Dressing to reduce the obviousness of the gun, such as black gun/black holster/black shirt/black pants. His reasoning was that met the legal requirements but also reduced the negatives of visibility. Therefore, the Model 64 is out.
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If there are no more groceries to get, than the bad guy is taking more than money from you. He is taking your life, and that of your family, albeit just doing so more slowly. I can understand that desperate people will take desperate measures. But desperate measures must be met with desperate consequences if one is to survive.
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03-24-2020, 08:52 AM
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If you think it's that bad.........
stay home if you can; if you can't......I don't know Colorado law; so with a grain of salt....................
I'd go with "semi" concealed......visible but not overly brazen.
In my case a 3" Kframe in a Bianchi 111 cyclone and a vest or open shirt that would expose the butt.
(Edit..... or a Browning HP Bianchi Cyclone, S&W shorty-9 or Beretta Compact in a Kirkpatrick TCD.)
worn at about 11 O'clock
FWIW: I got my Pa. Licence to carry (concealed) in 1978 so I wouldn't have to open carry hiking in Penn's Woods.
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03-24-2020, 09:00 AM
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I have not encountered any aggressive citizens when I have to do some shopping or just take a walk in the neighborhood. I wear a mask and dress plainly. Everybody keeps 6’ or more from me.
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03-24-2020, 09:20 AM
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Waveski --- "I am disappointed to see a SHTF / EOTWAWKI thread on this good forum. "
[QUOTE=Texas Star;140710931]I think you're being unrealistic.
Last night, my son saw police interviewing a man just robbed of his groceries, in the store parking lot.
Time to leave the ivory tower view of guns and get real.
Hoping and even expecting that members of this forum were level headed enough to not engage in speculation of Mad Max type scenarios - non of which are doing us or the current situation any good , but do fan the panic flames , constitutes an "ivory tower view"?
Well then , you are correct - I was not being realistic.
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03-24-2020, 09:37 AM
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One more thing -
Everyone should reread post #38 by GerSan69 ; a voice of reason.
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03-24-2020, 09:41 AM
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As already mentioned why open carry? I'm not opposed to it or anti-open carry but, who needs the attention and why make yourself the first target? If you must then get a S&W 500 w/long tube and make a really bold statement!
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