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Model 19 vs Python?
Since I like older S&W's, I have always been curious why the Python receives so much attention (and their prices went through the roof) when S&W manufactured a great revolver in the Model 19. Not being a Python owner, I am wondering how the Model 19 compares to the Python? I find the 19 to be a beautiful handgun and I think the way the cylinder release works is more natural in one's hand than the Python's opposite functionality. Why did the 19 not receive the love the Python did/does?
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Depends on whether you are shooting or collecting.
I'm a shooter, not a collector. Winchester and Colt seem to be favorites of the collectors.
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Rarity + reputation + time. My eyes also light up when I see a nice vintage Royal Blue Python. And then I ask myself; 'Would I rather have that or 4 nice old Smiths?' The answer is always the same.
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After all these years, I still think back and love the fact that in 1975, while at the Academy, I defeated my closest competitor and won the "Firearms Profeciency" award. He was shooting a 6" Python, I was shooting my issued 4" model 19.
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I personally have never understood it. If 6" Full Under-lug in royal blue is your thing (It's certainly my thing), the 586 is out there waiting!
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Depends on the look you like............The Colt has always been considered the "Cadillac", generally the most expensive, course I never liked Cadillacs either.,
But for shooting double action the Smith has the better action.....
I've got a couple of full lugged 586s that while not the royal blue of Colt.... with Spegel checkered Extended Boot grips (and one smooth in Birdseye maple) I think look just as good a any colt and they have the S&W action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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After shooting for an extended period of time your Model 19 will still be shooting while that Python will be looking for someone who can re-time it or has a stash of discontinued parts for repairs.
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Back when the 586 first came out I bought a 6 inch model, at that time I also owned a 1968 6 inch Python. The Python had a smoother action and was prettier then the 586 but when shot off the bench there almost the same in accuracy.
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I have owned both in the past. The Python was beautifully made, and shot like ****.
Never knew why, but it did.
Therefore I carried the Smith on field duty and it always shot smoothly and accurately.
As an 81 year old man now, I only carry a semi-auto 40sw caliber!
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Vent rib and snake name. I owned a 4" and 2.5" older Pythons. Shortly after I bought my first Smith (also older) both Pythons found new homes. Hype didn't quite measure up. I later owned MK III and MK V Troopers which were also good revovers (also long departed) as was the Python. But, in my hand, nothing beats an N frame! My 19 and 66 are also pretty darn good.
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I've owned a dozen or so Model 19's over the years. I owned one 4" blue Python, a 1964 model.
Today, I own a 4.2", blue Model 19-9, and a 6", stainless 2020 Python.
If one is "better" than the other, I'll be darned if I can tell it. But they don't have to be "better." They'd different, and that's all I expect them to be. I didn't buy either one because I thought one was better. I bought them both because I wanted them both.
Is the Python "worth" the extra cost? It was to me. I wanted a Python, and nothing else was a Python. Not a 586, not a 686, not a Ruger...nice guns, heck, they might be better, but they're not a Python.
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Own both, shoot both and both are great guns, but they are from different worlds. The 19/66 guns are service revolvers, and my Python (1971 vintage) is way above them in fit and finish. This is coming from a guy who is an avid S&W fan.
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Own both, shoot both and both are great guns, but they are from different worlds. The 19/66 guns are service revolvers, and my Python (1971 vintage) is way above them in fit and finish. This is coming from a guy who is an avid S&W fan.
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Having BOTH since 1980............I choose the 19.
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It's lot like comparing a Chevrolet or Pontiac to a Cadillac.The Python had the fit and finish vs. a good functional piece in the 19.
Each had its vocal followers.
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"Why did the 19 not receive the love the Python did/does?"
If Deputy Rick Grimes (Walking Dead) had carried a 19 instead of the Python there likely would be considerably more interest in the 19s. Doesn't explain all of the difference but recent years Python prices haven't been hurt any from the Walking Dead publicity.
I keep the first Python I bought (back in 1980 or so) but the others have all been traded for S&Ws and other toys. Turns out the S&Ws are just as effective against Zombies at considerably lower cost.
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"Why did the 19 not receive the love the Python did/does?"
If Deputy Rick Grimes (Walking Dead) had carried a 19 instead of the Python there likely would be considerably more interest in the 19s. Doesn't explain all of the difference but recent years Python prices haven't been hurt any from the Walking Dead publicity.
I keep the first Python I bought (back in 1980 or so) but the others have all been traded for S&Ws and other toys. Turns out the S&Ws are just as effective against Zombies at considerably lower cost.
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LOL if the gun was chosen by the guy who had to carry it while walking all over the south.... vs by a TV director/prop guy ...... which gun do you think the guy who had to carry it would have chosen?????????????
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I bought the only Python I own years ago. It was expensive then, but nothing compared to the prices today. I like it and I like all my 586's, 686's. As another poster said, they both have their own beauty. If I was going into battle, I would take the Smiths, if I was going to display one in a place of prominence in my home, it would be the Python. Both are great, but different.
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I've owned both and shot both extensively in PPC and Bullseye. Both great revolvers; just a different feel; the Colt trigger pull and S&W pull are "different", so I didn't switch back and forth often.
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The original Pythons were reputed to have a poor DA trigger. The two that I shot certainly did. The SA trigger was OK. And the Python was not as easy to gunsmith as an S&W. I saw a Jerry Miculek video in which he said that he won a Python in a match but found that as compared to his M28 he couldn't shoot it very well, so he sold it. However, I do find the Python beautiful to look at. And I have read that the new 2020 Pythons have an excellent trigger mechanism.
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I don't have the numbers but I am comfortable that the 19 outsold the Python by big numbers. I have nothing against the Python, wish I had one. But the 19 is one of the best looking guns ever. The size is right, the blue on the original 19's was also beautiful. Considering the number of 19's that have been produced they certainly are fetching a nice price these day's.
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Depends on the look you like............The Colt has always been considered the "Cadillac", generally the most expensive, course I never liked Cadillacs either.,
But for shooting double action the Smith has the better action.....
I've got a couple of full lugged 586s that while not the royal blue of Colt.... with Spegel checkered Extended Boot grips (and one smooth in Birdseye maple) I think look just as good a any colt and they have the S&W action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And like today Pythons and Cadillacs still don't work very well
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Back in 1972, when I bought my first gun, my choice was between a Python and a Model 27 (which I think is a better equivalent to a Python than the M19, which I see as more of a service revolver). I went with the Python, and was not disappointed. Now, I own several Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers, and like them both. As others have said, they’re different, but both are rewarding to handle and shoot, particularly in these days of black plastic and alloy, though I own several of them, too.
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The Python was so far out of my price range I never even dry fired one, to say nothing of today’s prices. My 4” Model 66, purchased new in ‘73, shoots like a dream and cost a whole lot less.
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Have had a Python 6" and did not like it as it was muzzle heavy to me. Had a Model 19 and to me it was to light for .357 Magnum loads. Both are long gone. I do own a Model 27-2 3.5" and to me it is a great gun.
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Let me put it this way: The only way I'd "like" a Python is freshly sold, with a large wad of $$$ from the guy that bought it.
I had one back in 1978 or 79, and within a month or so it went out of time. I got it fixed and put it on the market. Unfortunately, I also sold the 2 1/2" Diamondback I'd bought as an off-duty gun. Currently, I have a P&R 2 1/2" nickel 19 (and a couple 66s.) No regrets!
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It's lot like comparing a Chevrolet or Pontiac to a Cadillac.The Python had the fit and finish vs. a good functional piece in the 19.
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It's called panache, great marketing, etc. They do the same job. One is gussied up. One is not. Very simple.
If you can afford it maybe you drive a Bentley. If you can't afford it maybe you drive a KIA. They do the same job. One is gussied up. One is not. Very simple.
For my money I personally prefer L frames. For various reasons most of my K frames are gone, and I had quite a few, but I'm not parting with my L frames. Not my N frames, either, but that's different, those are gussied up to my way of thinking, an older Model 25 in .45 Colt and a stunning Model 27 Classic. For shooting I reckon my 6" 586 can stand toe to toe with any 6" Python.
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I’ve had several of both. The Pythons were better.
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Since I like older S&W's, I have always been curious why the Python receives so much attention (and their prices went through the roof) when S&W manufactured a great revolver in the Model 19. Not being a Python owner, I am wondering how the Model 19 compares to the Python? I find the 19 to be a beautiful handgun and I think the way the cylinder release works is more natural in one's hand than the Python's opposite functionality. Why did the 19 not receive the love the Python did/does?
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I too, have always wondered why all of the hype about the Python. I’ve never be “overly impressed”! Though, for me personally, I’d take a Model 27 “hands down” over the Python. For me, the Model 19 “shined” in the 2 1/2” version, as a concealed carry handgun!
I bought a used Model 19 2 1/2” Nickel about 1973 or 4 from a police officer....$110.00 with a Bianchi Pancake holster. To this day....one of the best purchases I’ve ever made! memtb
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My brother has a Python and my son has a 686. Being a shooter, I would prefer the 686 to the Python. However I would choose the Python over the 19 because the Python is much more ergonomically fit for my hand than the 19 and has a much beefier build for full house loads. While I like K frames a lot, I would much prefer a model 10 with a Pach or Tyler adapter to a 19.
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I own most of the others, and will soon own a 2020 Python. not because of better, but because I can...for me the M15 is just as good as my M19 (mostly shoot .38). My Dback is nice,just small....I doubt that the python will outshoot my Colt OMM from 1958, or my OMS from 1949 both are sweet! just like my 6" M19.....another opinion heard! FWIW
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Back in the late 70’s my best friend at the time and I hunted a great deal. While in the woods we both wore shoulder holsters, his with a 4” Python (which as a Sailor I couldn’t afford, certainly not on the pay of a 1st Class), mine with my first S&W, a 4” Model 19 Combat Magnum. I have to admit I bought it because it was called a ‘Combat Magnum’, a very cool name for any handgun, then and now.
At the time, the action of the Python felt much smoother to my inexperienced hands, but the 19 felt very solid when you pulled the hammer back, no question what came next. As to shooting, I couldn’t tell any difference at all, but the look was unquestionably the coolest I’d ever seen, that vent rib makes it stand out in any crowd.
Even money says if we both still owned those, with even reasonable care, the 19 would still be functioning as well as it did when it left the factory...the Python, probably not without a fine gunsmith to keep it in tune.
Sadly I lost the 19 in an ugly divorce, but replaced it years later with a 6” 19-3 of the same era. I could have afforded the Python when I bought the 19, even at the elevated pricing, I still chose the Combat Magnum and have never regretted it.
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Colt is very capable of putting a descent da trigger pull on their guns. I have a custom shop Anaconda, its da trigger will rival any S&W, way better than my PC Mag Hunter Plus that I had to give an action job to before I would shoot because I was so disappointed.
Standard production guns...S&W is miles ahead of Colt, IMO.
Freedom is all about choices, even if it the wrong one. Okay a Python isn’t a wrong choice, but I find them to be a less practical choice. But, I won’t be getting rid of mine anytime soon.
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But for shooting double action the Smith has the better action.....
I've got a couple of full lugged 586s that while not the royal blue of Colt.... with Spegel checkered Extended Boot grips (and one smooth in Birdseye maple) I think look just as good a any colt and they have the S&W action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Colt is very capable of putting a descent da trigger pull on their guns. I have a custom shop Anaconda, its da trigger will rival any S&W, way better than my PC Mag Hunter Plus that I had to give an action job to before I would shoot because I was so disappointed.
Standard production guns...S&W is miles ahead of Colt, IMO.
Freedom is all about choices, even if it the wrong one. Okay a Python isn’t a wrong choice, but I find them to be a less practical choice. But, I won’t be getting rid of mine anytime soon.
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My Dad liked Colts...... his duty gun was a 1939 .357 New Service he sent out to Kings in Calf for an action job and sights...... he also used it with .38s as his centerfire target pistol........shooting "Master" (+640 out of 700). But for me the trigger reach is just too much .... I prefer the S&W K/L frame
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Walking Dead.
That’s why.
The Model 19 is a better service revolver.
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I have read this repeatedly.
Is there a body of evidence to support this bold statement?
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Not sure if there is any "body of evidence" as you put it. However, I have heard and read about Colt's being known for going out of time and that good Colt Gunsmiths are hard to find.
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While I like K frames a lot, I would much prefer a model 10 with a Pach or Tyler adapter to a 19.
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Model 10 and model 19 share identical frames - both are K-frames.
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Back in the 70s and 80s the word on the street was they didn't hold up well if you did a lot of fast DA shooting. Colt maintained a network of Service Centers around the country.... one here in the Burgh (Pittsburgh Handgun Headquarters) timing issues were a big % of their colt work.
Never had a Python.... but had a 4 " .38 Diamondback that was fine single action or DA...... but "fast" double action it'd skip a round every cylinder or two.......
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Banned SCAMMER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will take the Python any day.
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I have read the same.
Smith & Wessons go out of time, also. I have replaced hands in S&W revolvers twice, to repair timing issues.
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Back in 1972, when I bought my first gun, my choice was between a Python and a Model 27 (which I think is a better equivalent to a Python than the M19, which I see as more of a service revolver). I went with the Python, and was not disappointed. Now, I own several Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers, and like them both. As others have said, they’re different, but both are rewarding to handle and shoot, particularly in these days of black plastic and alloy, though I own several of them, too.
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I think this is a pretty good answer though I'm not a
Python fan. I've owned enough of them to say this.
Perhaps the question should be Python vs. Model 586
but that would not fit into this time period.
But speaking of today, the choice is really more between
the 586/686 models and the GP-100 models although
Colt has resurrected the Python.
The reality is that when revolvers were still king among
police most departments relied on the .38 Special in all
its variations. And for that the Model 19 was easily the
king though the Security Six nipped at its sales.
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I have "voted" over 80 times. The only "vote" for a Colt got sent down the road. I still have a few Ruger votes, The Smiths have won by a land slide,
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Now you're talking! I'd love a K frame "Smolt"
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The barrel twist rate on the Python was / is 1-14 " (Colt has kept the same twist rate on the new Pythons) . The Smith is 1-18.75 " . That faster twist rate on the python was tailor made for target shooting 148 gr wadcutters @ around 700-750 fps . I have been told , true or not that the barrel on the Colt was also slightly tapered down inside about a thousandth from the end of the barrel rifling to the muzzle to also increase accuracy . Regards, Paul
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I never warmed up to the full underlug and vent rib. When I bought my 19 in 1978, my buddy picked up a python. Both still have them and at the time the python was maybe $50 more. Not insurmountable, but I like the style of the Smith much better.
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The Smith K-frames are quite a bit lighter in weight compared to the Colt Python . As said before , probably a better comparison would be the L-frame Smiths to the Colt as they are much closer in weight . I have several K-frame Smiths , both 19's . One is 2.5" blue and a 4" nickel . Neither is for sale . Regards, Paul
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