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Old 04-23-2020, 09:03 PM
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I am a Collector in New Zealand and I am looking for info on a Cased Mod 67-1 Revolver, manufactured in 1978/79, that I own which is engraved with the following;

Leon Riley
S&W ARMORERS SCHOOL
22-6-1979

The way the date is engraved would lead me to believe that this wasn't done in the States, as it would have most probably been dated 6-22-1979, but I could be wrong???

I have tried Uncle Google, but can find no information on a Leon Riley that would connect to the S&W Armorers School.

Was he an Instructor at the School who retired, was he an outstanding Student who finished top of his class/course, what connection does Leon Riley have to the School and why was he presented with this revolver?

As I believe it was not engraved at S&W (again I could be wrong???) I don't believe there will be any records there about this, but am happy to pay the coin to get a Letter from the Foundation confirming where/when it was shipped, etc, but note that records at the Foundation stop in 1977, or did I misread that?

Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers & thanks


Nigel


P.S. Grips were done in NZ by previous Owner and were not part of original presentation. (If anyone can point me in the right direction for original correct grips, I would be grateful for that also.)
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Near the top of the page is the heading Downloads. Click on the link and you will see Most Popular Files. Listed under that heading is Letter of Authenticity Request Form. Click on that file, print the request form and follow the instructions at the bottom. You will receive your letter of authenticity signed by Roy Jinks.

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Welcome! A Forum member here attended the school in question (presumably here in the USA) and built up a revolver from parts, so this one may have been a student's "final exam" project.
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I attended the S&W Armorers School (for auto pistols) in Springfield, MA, back in the 1980s. If memory serves, we all had to assemble a pistol that would pass factory inspection and we were then given the option of buying it. No one offered any kind of engraving. BTW, the box looks authentic, but (maybe) for an N-frame, or perhaps a K-frame with an enclosed ejector rod, like the M-19.
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I also attended the Armorers School in the early 80’s and the name engraved on your gun was not an instructor during that time frame. We met all the instructors our first day and my class was run by a new instruction - Don Dion. We did build pistols for a LE contract but were not offered a “buy” option or discount on a gun. All graduates do have a parts discount. I recall that Massachusetts had new gun laws that were sketchy at the time and were were told in our acceptance letter to not bring any personal guns with us to work on or have worked on at the factory. There was no class ranking as we all had to “pass” to receive our certificate. We were treated to a nice dinner the evening of our last day. My thought is the engraved name was done on a personal owned gun for his own collection.
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Thanks Gentlemen,

I will complete a request for a Letter of Authenticity and see what comes of it.

Theories & personal experiences have been great, thank you, but I am really wanting/hoping to find out who Leon Riley is and why this revolver actually ended up engraved with his name, etc...

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Your Model 67-1 looks to have been a revolver someone cared a great deal about. The presentation case is most certainly an added accessory and not part of the original package from the factory. These presentation cases were standard only on S&W's most expensive catalogued models (such as the Models 25, 27, 29, and 57) and a few other commemoratives (such as the Texas Ranger Model 19). These presentation cases were available from the factory as an accessory and that is likely how it came to be paired with your Model 67.

I wish I could provide some information about the engraving but I suspect it was done at a previous owner's request outside of the factory.
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Man do I love those grips. Being a true patriot one of the main reasons I bought my Jeep was 1776 being last four digits on my vin.
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My M645 was our PD Armorer's class gun at Armorer's school in Springfield in 1988. He was permitted to buy it. It's not engraved or cased and he sold it to me early in 1989. He was always pleased when I shot qualification with it and if time permitted he enjoyed running a few rounds through it.

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I took a close look at that engraved name and date. I suspect this was done BY Leon Riley, who was a student at the Armoreres Schools and most likely exploring engraving. If you look closely at the "box" surrounding his name you will see that it's not up to the quality of a professional engraver, at best it would be considered a somewhat advanced amateur. If you look at the 2's in the date you will see that they are not identical. While it's not a bad job it's just not up to the standard of a professional engraver.
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Nice pieces, nice story.

Here in the states it is common for military and law enforcement to write dates: day/month/year!

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I think that Leon Riley wanted to make a momento out of his class gun. It's rather cool.
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I took a close look at that engraved name and date. I suspect this was done BY Leon Riley, who was a student at the Armoreres Schools and most likely exploring engraving. If you look closely at the "box" surrounding his name you will see that it's not up to the quality of a professional engraver, at best it would be considered a somewhat advanced amateur. If you look at the 2's in the date you will see that they are not identical. While it's not a bad job it's just not up to the standard of a professional engraver.

Thanks scooter123,

That was a suspicion I also had, as I agree that the engraving is definitely not up to a professional standard.

The plot thickens... Who the heck is Leon Riley????

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Nice pieces, nice story.

Here in the states it is common for military and law enforcement to write dates: day/month/year!

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Awesome news, thanks jjfitch.
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