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Old 05-22-2020, 09:30 PM
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I may have made a mistake on a 6" barrel, nickel, 19-4 today. I saw it in a pawn shop and was in love until I saw the price. SN starts with 57K so according to SCSW it should be an '80 model. The nickel was nearly perfect, just has a bunch of fingerprints on it. It was priced at $750. I've bought several at this pawn shop and they won't budge a penny on the price till it's been out for at least 30 days so the OTD price would be $802.45. I've missed several at this place waiting for them to hit the 30 day mark. I jumped on Gunbroker a few minutes ago and was shocked that the nickel 19's start at $850 and go to over $1k. I had no idea they were that high. So should I bite the bullet and go get it tomorrow or wait and hope it's still there in three weeks?
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If the gun is in excellent condition, I think that is a fair price. I don't think it is a smoking deal that you missed out on by not purchasing it.
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Also is that the normal front sight for a 6" gun? My 2 1/2" and 4" 19's have ramp front sights.
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Always use the online auction Search function, and look for completed items that sold. Asking $850-1100 for an average condition early 1980s model 19 is...optimistic.
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Also is that the normal front sight for a 6" gun? My 2 1/2" and 4" 19's have ramp front sights.
Thatís a Patridge target sight and it is normal for a 6Ē. $750, not bad, Iíd go get it. Try for $750 out the door.
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I own a nickel plated 19-4 with 6" barrel (36K). I love it. It is the most accurate of my 6" guns with the possible exception of the model 14-3. It is certainly the most accurate shooting the .357 rounds I've owned. The other models 13/65/66/586/686 were/are fun to shoot but when I want to feel good I take the model 19 to the range.

Your picture shows a fine looking revolver. That price seems a hundred dollars high to me here in central Florida. Having said that I would buy it if I wanted it. Best to you in your decision.
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So should I bite the bullet and go get it tomorrow or wait and hope it's still there in three weeks?

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Wow! Price for the nickel ones really up there. Maybe not too many produced? I know the blued 19 snubby with round butt went for around $180 back in 78. Way more these days I am sure.
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It’s a pawn shop and I have no pity on them because they invest about half of their asking price. Take some 100 dollar bills and lay 5 on the counter... then maybe throw a 50 and then a few 20’s... They play a game with buyers, so I like to play back! Always make an out the door deal. Don't let them add tax back on the deal.
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Itís a pawn shop and I have no pity on them because they invest about half of their asking price. Take some 100 dollar bills and lay 5 on the counter... then maybe throw a 50 and then a few 20ís... They play a game with buyers, so I like to play back! Always make an out the door deal. Don't let them add tax back on the deal.
99% of my guns come from pawn shops and I've done that many times. This is a chain and 30 days is the owners policy. I know the guy at the gun counter well. He and the branch manager have no leeway to drop the price till it hits the 30 day mark.
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Always use the online auction Search function, and look for completed items that sold. Asking $850-1100 for an average condition early 1980s model 19 is...optimistic.
There were only two 6" nickel 19's in the completed auctions. A 19-4 with box/paperwork sold for $915 and a -3 without box sold for $1095. I'm not sure what's driving the price up on nickel 19's. I've already have 2 1/2" and 4" nickel 19-4's. This one would fit in perfect.

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I don’t think the price is extravagant. If that is the gun you want to match your others then buy now. Is $50 or $100 worth a missed opportunity?
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A Model 19 is never a mistake.

Just a play off of your thread title.

If a person likes nickel 19s it's ok, if not an outstanding "deal."
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Ten years from now, which one will you regret more? Missing out on a gun that you really wanted, or spending an extra $50-$100?
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Lots of people think the “buy” is the essence of purchasing a gun.
From my perspective, a good deal always feels good and offers some bragging rights but the purpose is to own the gun and enjoy it.
If you really want a 6” nickel 19 P&R do not let $100 dollars stand between you and what you want. The $100 is subjective. Opinions vary on pricing.
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Just go buy the gun! Whats a couple of bucks one way or another, the shop might put the next Smith up for you to see before anyone else does. Good will has value too.
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How long since the last one you saw?

How long before you think you'll see another one?

Now...how long before you think you'll see one for less?
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This is the way I look at it.
Bud's gun shop on the internet is selling the new classic model 19s for $758 plus other expenses getting it to your door. If you go shoot a box of ammo thru it, it is now worth about $500. If you shoot this original "classic" 19-4, take it home and clean it up, you haven't lost one dime in value.
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Buying a pristine S&W Revolver at slightly over "book" just means that you'll have to keep it a little longer to see real profit if you decide to sell it.

Buying guns for resale and because you want one are two different things entirely. Never buy a gun for resale unless you can get it below 10- 20% of average resale.

Some times buying a gun to complete a "collection" means paying a premium.

And before you know it you're 70+ trying to find buyers for your "special" pieces that you've cherished for 30-40 years!

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There were only two 6" nickel 19's in the completed auctions. A 19-4 with box/paperwork sold for $915 and a -3 without box sold for $1095. I'm not sure what's driving the price up on nickel 19's. I've already have 2 1/2" and 4" nickel 19-4's. This one would fit in perfect.
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That is a nice 19 you are considering. $800 OTD seems to be good price IMO...But I'm also a certified NickelHolic and Model 19 lover. I've purchased many S&W's at Pawn Shops in my area and some are more generous in negotiating than others. As you mentioned, when they 1st bring a gun out for sale, they don't play much on price. Most the time they will knock the tax off that helps lower the OTD price. As to Gunbroker auctions...I always take into account there is the additional $20-$50 shipping cost plus FFL transfer fee. The Pawn Shops I've dealt with don't charge a transfer fee when I buy gun from them. Always wondered if that is fairly standard with pawn shops in other areas of country.
Anyway, good luck on your decision. Can always call it your Memorial Day present.
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Yes the partridge sight is correct. My partner on the Police Department I was on in the late 70’s carried one exactly like the one you are looking at. Go buy it before someone else does. Like others said, is 50 or 100 dollars worth the missed opportunity on a revolver you would like to see in your collection. You might find another next week. You might find it in 30 years

It took me 30 years to find the 66-2 2 1/2” in the same prefix as the one the government issued me and destroyed upon turning it in. The one I found was 43 digits apart.

The guy wanted 850. A little high but I looked 30 years. It’s in my safe.

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Well please excuse my misuse of the terminology. I stand corrected
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I would go for it. You just frankly do not see them often at all.
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I'm glad I got mine back when they were semi-reasonable. This is a 19-3, shipped in March, 1977.

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This is my only nickle S&W. I wanted a 6-inch blue 19-3,butthis was too pretty to pass up. It was almost -- but not quite -- an impulse buy, but it has really grown on me. This one is a dash 3, TT, TH, WO. Note the Patridge front sight.

The real problem with it is that it makes me want a 5-inch nickle M27-2.
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I donít think the price is extravagant. If that is the gun you want to match your others then buy now. Is $50 or $100 worth a missed opportunity?
If I wanted a certain gun, $50 or $100 wouldn't matter to me at all.
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I found this one a few years ago and don't regret a single dollar spent. It's been pictured before, but hey ...
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My friend, no one was slamming you, lest you go away thinking that is what happened here.

We just see this particular mistake all the time and it stems from the fact that many people do not know that sight was named for its designer, Mr. E. E. Patridge. He introduced it to target shooting in the late 19th Century.

I like to show the graphic because once you see it, you cannot un-see it. Better than just being told, I think.
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You guys are a bunch of enablers for sure!!! Guess I should have expected that when I asked if I should buy a gun on a gun forum. I ran over there at lunch today just to look at it again and now it's laying on my cleaning table.
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I just happen to have one! Really nice!
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Cleaned it up last night and plan to shoot it later today. It had very little powder fouling so I think it's been a safe queen for most of its 40 year life. So now I've got a set of nickel 19-4's.
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That completes the set nicely!
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So come on OP.

Tell us.

How did your dealing go? Did they know what they had and dug their heels in?

I've used a technique successfully every time I've tried. If a seller won't budge, I start the story of having to tell my wife I paid full price and the ensuing harassment. That always gets me a dollar discount.
I then get to say, "But Honey, I got it on sale."


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So come on OP.

Tell us.

How did your dealing go? Did they know what they had and dug their heels in?

I've used a technique successfully every time I've tried. If a seller won't budge, I start the story of having to tell my wife I paid full price and the ensuing harassment. That always gets me a dollar discount.
I then get to say, "But Honey, I got it on sale."

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That's because no one would show up at a pistol match with a nickel M-19 with a "partridge" front sight!
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It went just as I expected...they would budge one penny on the price.
It's your call. Will the extra $50 ($100?) be a severe strain on your budget? How badly do you want it? How many have you seen, and how long ago?

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