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Old 07-04-2020, 05:45 PM
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Thursday, I went to local LGS out of boredom, and they had a line ~30 people long waiting to get into the pistol counter, but i toughed it out and I'm glad I did. Teh mob all seemed to be wanting plastic, but in the used revolver section, where there is usually a bunch of overpriced beat up stuff, (I've said before I live in blue revolver purgatory)there were a bunch of S&W's and Colts. I think the buyer either went to an estate sale or bought a collection, because it was full of nice stuff. I guess i was holding my mouth right, because I wanted a 6" 1980 or earlier 17/K22 and there it was. I looked it over, checked mechanics, grips numbered to the gun, and it was well oiled, no rust, a few handling marks. Said I'd take it and lo and behold, it came with the box, paper and tools, all in decent shape.
I smiled all the way home.
For you Smithies, there were some very nice pieces there at greentophuntfish.com:
2 Mod 34
Mod 43
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3 mod 41's
1 Mod 41 in original box with all 3 barrels, weights & compensator
All caught my eye, but I'm not looking for those now. The "complete" 41 tempted me.
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Very nice Model 17-3, don't you just love it when a plan comes together.
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1. This 17-3 has a painted red inset on the rear of the patridge sight - it's so well done, I was wondering if it could be factory?

2. It has a wide but smooth trigger. The label makes no note of any 'T's, but is this a Smith stock Smith trigger or did someone do a very nice job of smoothing? It feel great on the finger.

3. the cylinder stop has made more than a ring at the notch - almost a gouge. I've never seen one like this, and will take it apart to investigate and fix. I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions.

4. There is what appears to be a spare extractor rod in the white in the box in a factory bag. All my Smiths but one were bought new, and I've never seen that before. Why?
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Regardless of the “gouge”, I think you did very well.
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Very nice Model 17-3, don't you just love it when a plan comes together.
thanks for liking my find, but I'm not that smart to have had a plan, more like serendipity, which is a fancy word for dumb luck. Greentop is a great hunt/fish store, but it's been decades since I've seen so much pre-80 revolver blue.
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I just looked at their website and the K22 Outdoorsman. When I saw it was described as "New" I chuckled to myself. Then I looked at the pictures and thought WOW. It is definitely LNIB. Gun looks great, box look great, and it even has a prewar adapter. Only thing missing is the SAT. Gun has been sold. That is the only one I looked at.
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Very nice gun with the goodies! It should be as accurate as all get out!
Mine 17-2 is. (1964) Got it online in 2016. No box or extras for me. No big deal. I waited so long to get a S&W .22. It came with rubber grips. Put smooth targets on it. Found diamond magnas for it. Bob
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Mine 17-2 is. (1964) Got it online in 2016. No box or extras for me. No big deal. I waited so long to get a S&W .22. It came with rubber grips. Put smooth targets on it. Found diamond magnas for it. Bob
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Very nice, you can dress it for work, play or Sunday at the BBQ!
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I have two that fall in the K22 area, a 1948 K22 and a 1978 27-4.


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Very nice find ameridaddy. This Model 17-3 is my favorite K-22.
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Damn! That's gorgeous!
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My 17-3 1968 with Culina Cocobolo grips on it. My first S&W purchase when I started collecting a few years ago. (98%), but I overpaid a bit. Got box and numbered magnas. Nothing drastic, but even piano lessons cost money so i figure it was the cost of a few piano lessons

OP, absolutely beautiful example!! Enjoy it in good health!!
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OP, absolutely beautiful example!! Enjoy it in good health!!
Spectacular wood on your 17! How long ago did you get those grips? Did they come with the gun or a later add-on?
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I just looked at their website and the K22 Outdoorsman. When I saw it was described as "New" I chuckled to myself. Then I looked at the pictures and thought WOW. It is definitely LNIB. Gun looks great, box look great, and it even has a prewar adapter. Only thing missing is the SAT. Gun has been sold. That is the only one I looked at.
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I'm sorry it was gone. I was there Thursday and should have posted here right away what I saw, but with everybody there ogling plastic fantastics and nobody in the old gun section, I figured that mass of fine old S&W's would be there longer.
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Wow! 10+
The blue color is so clear - is that a Renwax job?
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Those are Culina exhibition grade Cocbolo grips made about 2 years ago. They did not come with the gun. The gun came with numbered non diamond magnas. I did not have the S&W medallions put on. At the time, my thought was what for, they are not S&W grips, and I thought it distracted from the flow of that nice grain.

They have been on the gun 2 years. At the time the fit was so precision, that it was like a press fit. I wonder how they will come off? I did call Culina, and John said put paste wax in the locator holes, and around the fit points on the top of the grips. This I have done with subsequent Culina grips, and it does help. Thought I would share that trick, but I still wonder about getting these off
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... At the time the fit was so precision, that it was like a press fit. I wonder how they will come off? I did call Culina, and John said put paste wax in the locator holes, and around the fit points on the top of the grips. This I have done with subsequent Culina grips, and it does help. Thought I would share that trick, but I still wonder about getting these off
I've had the same problem with some stock magnas. I had good luck backing the stock screw all the way out, then reinserting it from the "wrong" (right) side where the threads are and gently wiggle and pull the screw, using it like a handle. I emphasize "gently". With patience, the right stock comes loose and the rest is easy.
I also ever so carefully enlarge the locating pin hole in the base section of both stocks using a size or two up number drill held in a pin vise.Thanks for the wax tip, should work well once they're off the first time!
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Very nice, you can dress it for work, play or Sunday at the BBQ!
The best thing would diamond targets. The rubber ones will never be used. The smooth targets, have been since refinished. I do not shoot any of my Smiths with Magnas on them. Bob
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Beautiful package OP! Looks like one of those that you have second thoughts about ever shooting.

I picked up this 1951 vintage K-22 recently off of GB. Purchased as a nice shooter; it has a little box rub wear on both sides of the muzzle. Also it was poorly packaged from the GB seller and picked up a small scratch on the right side of the frame just behind the barrel from the SAT which came loose from its wrapping. I gave the seller a lesson in packaging, but I kept the gun because I bought it as a shooter and otherwise it is a very nice K-22 package. Grips match and the box and SAT are in excellent condition as well. The carved S.D. Myers holster was a previous purchase from turnerriver which nicely complements the package.

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I'm a little partial to this shiny one.

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That looks like some well-applied Testors model paint, or perhaps some nail polish on the front blade. Trigger looks like a .500 target with the striations arfully polished-off....but I could be wrong.
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You did good with your buy but I think if that Outdoorsman was there I would have had a hard time keeping the plastic in the pocket. That would have been a hard one to improve upon.
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Here is my 17-4 Picked it up about 2 weeks ago, its in great shape and shoots really well.
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That looks like some well-applied Testors model paint, or perhaps some nail polish on the front blade. Trigger looks like a .500 target with the striations arfully polished-off....but I could be wrong.
I disassembled the gun today for a thorough going over before shooting it, and after a close look (magnifying glass even) and comparing it to other guns I have, and you are absolutely right.

Good eye there!

I never cared for red ramp sights because they often glare out in sunlight, but I like the contrast to the rear sight with the red on the Patridge, which has no glare being vertical, so I'm going to leave it and try it at the range.
A close look at the trigger makes it a homemade smoothing job, but it really feels good on my trigger finger, so it stays too.
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When I had my gun shop, I would make a trip to Springfield once a month with a car full of Smiths. All got new Target Hammers / Triggers / White outline Rear Sight, Replacement red front ramp sight on those that could have one easily exchanged and Stocks (which ever they were missing). As they were all new inventory, Smith would exchange them at the option cost only and there was never a charge to make the changes. All of those had boxes that were not market with any of the Ts etc. unless I changed them, but were then still considered from the factory that way. They did this all while I went to lunch and took another tour of the plant and the Springfield Arsenal museum and then it was home until the next month.

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When I had my gun shop, I would make a trip to Springfield once a month with a car full of Smiths. All got new Target Hammers / Triggers / White outline Rear Sight, Replacement red front ramp sight on those that could have one easily exchanged and Stocks (which ever they were missing). As they were all new inventory, Smith would exchange them at the option cost only and there was never a charge to make the changes. All of those had boxes that were not market with any of the Ts etc. unless I changed them, but were then still considered from the factory that way. They did this all while I went to lunch and took another tour of the plant and the Springfield Arsenal museum and then it was home until the next month.

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I did the same thing as an LEO. I would bring guns, talk with a mgr, look at the hallway displays, have lunch and everything would be ready after lunch for pennies
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There's nothing like a K-22. Always among the best .22 handguns of any era, and the current 617 continues the tradition. I think the -3 era has some of the best factory bluing.
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Yes the good old days, BUT to get any Smiths that were in demand, Pretty much everything but Model 10s, 12s, and 15s, the distributors wanted you to buy some of those plus cases of S&W Ammo in order to pick from what they had in the other Smiths. Then you took what you could get and went to the factory to trick them out.

I sold a lot of model 15s and S&W ammo to police departments at Cost or below in order to make the distributors happy and get the Smiths that in the 70s and 80 you could sell at full list price if you had them (Or over list if you were one of those dealers).

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