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Old 07-18-2020, 05:21 PM
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Met a very young guy at a local shop a few days ago....He had this Model 19 and was looking to trade it towards a "better" gun (as he put it).....Store made an offer of $225.......

Guy needed $300 and I happened to overhear the conversation....

I offered him $300 and the deal was done later that day.


Side note......I did feel kind of bad paying so little for such a beautiful gun, especially because I know the value of it....however the guy who had it was very young......didnt appreciate what he had and as he said wanted something "better".....by which he meant Glock......so hopefully my lowballing doesnt make me seem like a jerk....

I am very happy though.

There is hardly even a line on the cylinder, I doubt this 19-3 has even been fired much.
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You could literally double your money right now! As they say "Youth is wasted on the young!"
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You could literally double your money right now! As they say "Youth is wasted on the young!"
Oh I figured that out quickly, as soon as I made my offer I went to Google.

I doubt Ill be selling it, at least not soon....but I also wont be shooting it much.
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Old 07-18-2020, 05:33 PM
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Met a very young guy at a local shop a few days ago....He had this Model 19 and was looking to trade it towards a "better" gun (as he put it).....Store made an offer of $225.......

Guy needed $300 and I happened to overhear the conversation....

I offered him $300 and the deal was done later that day.
THAT is exactly how I became the owner of a Delta Gold Cup,, including ammo and reloading dies,, for exactly $300,,,


but, I got the Delta "a few years ago!!"

Nice find,,,
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I think you did very well; now, I'd do a search to see if the gun was stolen. A P&R M19-3 with no turn ring is bound to have been somebody's safe queen. Maybe his Dad had it, passed and he inherited it, but something doesn't quite smell right to me. Of course the LGS doesn't care that they were going to cheat him; after all, he said he needed $300, so they weren't going to tell him the gun was easily worth twice that much, even with no box. Maybe they offered him less than he needed so they didn't have to just say no, maybe they suspected something, too. Young kid, no real gun knowledge, probably has his eye on a Glock or some other piece of....plastic..... and only has $75 in his pocket. If he'd had any sense, he'd have hung on to that revolver, or at least asked a couple hundred more than what its value is, to have some bargaining room. What is the first 5 letter/digits of the SN#, so someone here can date it? Yours does not have the red visibility insert on the front sight ramp, so I figure it's an early -3. Mine has it, and it's a 1974 gun.

I have a M19-3 (see my avatar?), a 3T 4" model with the original box, looks every bit as good as yours except mine has a thin turn ring from being used. I gave $750 for it 4 years ago.

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Mr.fm, you really are a giggle on that 19 for $300. You got screwed, and a few members will help you get your money back, with no pain. Im in for $310, just to help you out. Mr. Kindness.
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Wow, hope your not the second person that stole that 19-3. Great buy on a fantastic revolver.
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Old 07-18-2020, 05:54 PM
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That's about an $850-$900 gun here in California. And while there are plenty of people here too who would rather have a Glock, there are also enough knowledgeable people around that would gladly pull out a fistful of cash to buy a pre-lock classic S&W.
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Nice gun, great price. Hope you offered him the $300 outside the store after he turned down the offer from the store. Otherwise, where I shop anyway, there won't be any deals for you the next time you go back.

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.....Side note......I did feel kind of bad paying so little for such a beautiful gun, especially because I know the value of it....
Shop offered $225. Kid needed $300. You gave him $300. I can't see any negatives in the narrative. Joe
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I go visit a few LGS now and again, have overheard some ridiculous low ball offers.

I'll walk out real quick and up the offer before they get to the car..

Came home with several..
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I bought a 28-2 S serial number from a kid who wanted a Glock once. I was happy to help him.
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I think you did very well; now, I'd do a search to see if the gun was stolen. A P&R M19-3 with no turn ring is bound to have been somebody's safe queen. Maybe his Dad had it, passed and he inherited it, but something doesn't quite smell right to me. Of course the LGS doesn't care that they were going to cheat him; after all, he said he needed $300, so they weren't going to tell him the gun was easily worth twice that much, even with no box. Maybe they offered him less than he needed so they didn't have to just say no, maybe they suspected something, too. Young kid, no real gun knowledge, probably has his eye on a Glock or some other piece of....plastic..... and only has $75 in his pocket. If he'd had any sense, he'd have hung on to that revolver, or at least asked a couple hundred more than what its value is, to have some bargaining room. What is the first 5 letter/digits of the SN#, so someone here can date it? Yours does not have the red visibility insert on the front sight ramp, so I figure it's an early -3. Mine has it, and it's a 1974 gun.

I have a M19-3 (see my avatar?), a 3T 4" model with the original box, looks every bit as good as yours except mine has a thin turn ring from being used. I gave $750 for it 4 years ago.
First thing I did was check the serial number to see if it was stolen.....Its not. The guy had multiple guns he was trying to sell....he liked the offers on the others....just not this one....Luckily I think Im safe to think its not stolen.

As for the front sight....its just a black blade.

First 5 of the serial are 7K971.
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Great deal!! Sure makes me wish I had my 19 snub bought back around 78 Price for a new one was $180. I can see they have gone up a bit!!
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The gun shop needs a new buyer.....
What dumb-butt would they let that gun walk
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You know dang well how you did, so really no need to post the question. There is a value called, "Integrity". Take a look..... The right thing to do was to educate them.
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Yours does not have the red visibility insert on the front sight ramp, so I figure it's an early -3. Mine has it, and it's a 1974 gun.
The red ramp/white outline sights were an option, like target trigger and target hammer.
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Met a very young guy at a local shop a few days ago....He had this Model 19 and was looking to trade it towards a "better" gun (as he put it).....Store made an offer of $225.......

Guy needed $300 and I happened to overhear the conversation....

I offered him $300 and the deal was done later that day.


Side note......I did feel kind of bad paying so little for such a beautiful gun, especially because I know the value of it....however the guy who had it was very young......didnt appreciate what he had and as he said wanted something "better".....by which he meant Glock......so hopefully my lowballing doesnt make me seem like a jerk....

I am very happy though.

There is hardly even a line on the cylinder, I doubt this 19-3 has even been fired much.
I hope you got a good ID from him.
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Hey, he is happy and your happy. Ain't like you did it to a widow woman. He had the ability to check around on the net.
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Caveat emptor in reverse sort of. I have more than once prevented vulnerable folks from selling something they shouldn't. In this case I would have probably done what you did no harm no foul unless it is hot. I doubt that as he would have known, or I think he would that paperwork would be involved most guns that are hot are sold on the street.
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[QUOTE=Hair Trigger;140839231]I think you did very well; now, I'd do a search to see if the gun was stolen."

Are stolen gun serial numbers listed somewhere online?

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Well considering the grips are worth 125.00, you paid about 175 for the gun. Great deal.

Back in the mid 70's I was in an LGS and an old man came in with a M97 Winchester riot gun that had belonged to a RI police dept since the early 40's. He got his hands on it and had it refinished by Winchester in the late 60's. He walked into the LGS and wanted to sell it, which he did for 125 and walked out. I told the owner I wanted the gun, and he said OK, at 135.00. It is still one of my most prized possessions. Every once in a while, you get lucky.

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He wanted only $300? My first thoughts would be either he doesn't know what he has or it does not belong to him. The shop offering only $225 is a ripoff. Had he accepted their offer, I guarantee they would have put a $700 price tag on it and settled for $600. As long as it is not a stolen firearm, you did great!
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Dear lord! A 300$ model 19 ?!?! Does he have anything else to sell !?

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Met a very young guy at a local shop a few days ago....He had this Model 19 and was looking to trade it towards a "better" gun (as he put it).....Store made an offer of $225.......

Guy needed $300 and I happened to overhear the conversation....

I offered him $300 and the deal was done later that day.


Side note......I did feel kind of bad paying so little for such a beautiful gun, especially because I know the value of it....however the guy who had it was very young......didnt appreciate what he had and as he said wanted something "better".....by which he meant Glock......so hopefully my lowballing doesnt make me seem like a jerk....

I am very happy though.

There is hardly even a line on the cylinder, I doubt this 19-3 has even been fired much.
Congratulations! May be the best $300 you ever spent! Bob
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I had a similar situation a few years ago. A buddy called and asked me if I was interested in a K22. He knows my weakness for anything S&W. I said sure, and he sent over a young man who had a Mod 17-6, stainless 10 shot. He said he wanted $350 for it. I told him it might have a little higher value, but he said he just wanted $350. I paid him and told him if he changed his mind in the next couple weeks to come back. I would have easily have paid $550 back then. He never returned.

A friend had a K22 Outdorsman and wanted to sell it, and he asked me what it was worth. I told him probably arounf $1000 or a little more. His mouth dropped. He had given a neighbor $85 for it about 5 years earlier. It had a few minor rust spots, but otherwise about 80+%. I sold it here on the forum for $1000 within 2 or 3 days. It is probably worth $1500+ now.
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First 5 of the serial are 7K971.

7K1-7k26034 shipped in 1974, and the rest of the 7k series shipped in 2 ranges in 1975.

Great price on a cared for, classic .357!
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That's deal verges on grand larceny. Good for you. I'm just jellies
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I like a deal as much as the next guy, but there is a major difference between a deal and taking advantage of someone. You sir crossed that line. I would not be able to sleep at night if I pulled a stunt like you are bragging about.
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I got a 1966 vintage S&W Model 10 with a 5" barrel, easily 95%, from what could have been the same guy. It was a family heirloom that was in his possession and he wanted a Glock. I gave him a Glock, he gave me the revolver. I guess everybody was happy. I sure was! I can replace that Glock anytime I want. I may never see a 5" Model 10 (that I can afford) again.

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I came into a cased 25-2 that shows very little evidence of being fired much at all.

Grown man in his 40's listed it on a local gun trading website stating he needed a semi-auto rifle for ranch use, etc.....

I traded him a French Mas 49/46 with a few accessories and ammo that I had maybe $400 tied up in back then.

He was happy and I was happy. I still have a couple Mas 49/56 examples as they were cheap to buy back then........but I only have one 25-2.

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I dunno guys and gals. Maybe its my age, but I really think that if we were being honest with ourselves, and really wanted to encourage and propagate the hobby and pass the interest on to the next generation, the answer is to educate 'em not screw 'em.

Yea, you paid what the kid was asking, the fact that he had no clue should not induce a prideful post. You screwed him plain and simple.

"If you want to feed for the day, give him a fish; if you want to feed for a lifetime, teach them to fish."

Again, maybe it is my mood and/or my age, but as a hobbyist, casual collector and part-time hoarder, I'm a bit embarrassed by this thread. And, not to go too overboard and since I'm likely to already be making enemies here......Shame on those who posted a "LIKE" to the OP.
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I like a deal as much as the next guy, but there is a major difference between a deal and taking advantage of someone. You sir crossed that line. I would not be able to sleep at night if I pulled a stunt like you are bragging about.
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I dunno guys and gals. Maybe its my age, but I really think that if we were being honest with ourselves, and really wanted to encourage and propagate the hobby and pass the interest on to the next generation, the answer is to educate 'em not screw 'em.

Yea, you paid what the kid was asking, the fact that he had no clue should not induce a prideful post. You screwed him plain and simple.

"If you want to feed for the day, give him a fish; if you want to feed for a lifetime, teach them to fish."

Again, maybe it is my mood and/or my age, but as a hobbyist, casual collector and part-time hoarder, I'm a bit embarrassed by this thread. And, not to go too overboard and since I'm likely to already be making enemies here......Shame on those who posted a "LIKE" to the OP.
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Let me be VERY VERY clear...I said the guy DID NOT appreciate what he had, NOT that he didnt KNOW what he had.

As we were in the gun shop he was on GunBroker LOOKING at 19-3 and their selling prices....he SIMPLY wanted $300 for a "better" gun.

Hence why I said he didnt appreciate what he had because he was willing to essentially dump a $700+ gun for a Glock....

Its certainly not like I lied to him saying "its a bad gun" or "its not worth anything"......This young guy simply didnt want the 19-3 and wanted to get something else.

At the end of the day he got the gun he wanted...and I got a gun I wanted.....Everyone went home happy.

Im not THAT horrible of a person dang.

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Wow! You get a good deal, post a thread about it, then get pilloried.



The seller wanted $300 and that's what he got, which was $75 more than the gun shop was going to give him.
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Gun shop was a idiot or thought something was off. Only the money was mentioned so guy was trying to sell it not use it in trade.
Second, I had a shop and ran several loafers off that hung around hoping to short stroke me with dealings on used guns.
Third if “ kid” is old enough to have handgun, he is old enough to be responsible for his actions. Good chance of questionable ownership here.
4th guys making righteous noises because they didn’t get the deal. The most noise comes from them. Low Ballers. I make a point to take care of widows, old people and I don’t deal with minors. An adult male needs to take care of himself. Got no sympathy for stupid. You do have a obligation not to buy what you believe to be stolen. The amount of guns I have bought a few ended up as stolen. I’m sure a few others were too but weren’t in the system. Buy legal at reasonable price and you have no law problems. If legally bought the guy holding it will lose his money.
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Anyone trying to sell a gun to a gun shop deserves what they get. “A fool and his money are soon parted.”

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I did the same with a 1886 Winchester and a 1st gen SAA that walked into the shop while I was looking around. Guy wanted $1500.00 for both, the shop offered 1000.00 he walked out with me in tow. Asked how much, he said 1500.00, he followed me to the local bank and I bought a SAA and 1886 Win both about NRA Modern rating of 70%+, this was like 2004. On the flip side I know of a big shop here in CLT that screwed a widower out of about $20K ...paid .30Cent on the dollar.

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The local Cabelas in this area “ specializes “ in widows and senior citizens.
30 cents on the $1, no way, I’m not sure if they hit 10cents. I don’t know anyone who works there to know what their business plan is, as far as percentage. The deal they have set up to buy and sell guns, no trade deals allows them to take a bite twice to boot. I don’t know anyone who was treated right on selling Cabelas guns. With what they pay on high end, very sought after stuff, I can imagine what they pay for run of the mill stuff.
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I don't have an issue with someone paying what someone asks for a gun. I've gotten some great buys at pawn shops because an owner didn't fully understand the value of what he had. No remorse on my part.

On the other hand, I am very careful about trying to cut a deal to buy a gun from someone who is talking to a store employee. Usually what I would do in those situations is ask the store owner if he was ok with me pursuing it if he chooses not to. I value the relationships I have with shop owners and get way more opportunities from them than I ever would from a walk in seller.

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LGS at a range here had a 6” nickel 57 in excellent condition for sale for $750. I went to try to buy it and no surprise it was gone. One of my buddies a couple days later told me he was there when the seller came in and they gave him $450 for it because it was an “unusual” caliber.
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If he is of low moral character for paying the guy what he asked for a gunafter he was offered less by a LGS, does that mean that every gun and pawn shop is run by people of low moral character, Most of them won't give you 50% of value and most more like 30. I bought a near perfect model 37 from a shop for $300 cash late last year. Wonder how much the original opwner got for it.
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LGS at a range here had a 6” nickel 57 in excellent condition for sale for $750. I went to try to buy it and no surprise it was gone. One of my buddies a couple days later told me he was there when the seller came in and they gave him $450 for it because it was an “unusual” caliber.
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3 people converge on one gun, and only one knows what He is doingThe owner sold too low, the LGS flipped it, but could have gotten more, but the new owner knew a deal. Assuming good condition etc.
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The gun shop needs a new buyer.....
What dumb-butt would they let that gun walk
over $75 bucks.
Gun stores are weird that way. A lot depends on what type of guns they specialize in. I sold an M14-4 in very good (not excellent) shape on consignment in a LGS. The first shop I took it to said it would only sell for $400 so I took it to another shop. The other shop just asked me how much I wanted. I said $750, they said OK and sold it for $750 a month later. I took home $645 and thought I did well.
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I 100% agree with everything everyone has said. Had it been an older guy, widow/er...or someone who cared about the gun and just didnt know what they had.....Id have informed them.

This guy knew, at least, the value of what he had and wanted a price to simply get something else.

Reason I was 95% sure it wasnt stolen was because all trades in my state get run through a stolen firearm database before the deal is done......so if he was looking to trade it.....small chance it was stolen, especially cause in Florida they also take a fingerprint. Plus Florida has a public stolen firearms database....so I checked myself.

As for the shop......my guess is no one, at least right now, is looking for "collectibles".....Everyone wants the polymer wonder 9s and high cap magazines for them....so a revolver like this.....priced at a fair price of lets say $699 would likely sit for a while.

Either way, their loss is definitely my gain.
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I'm thinkin I'll start spending more time at my LGS!
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I often want to purchase tools outside the door of a pawn shop. Only problem with that my tool boxes and shelves are already loaded. If I can buy a $80 Dewalt 4 1/2" 11 amp grinder in a pawnshop for $30, what did the pawn shop give for it? I have Bostich, roofing, brad and framing nail guns and paid less than 1/2 price of new in pawn shops. I recently bought a large American made tap and die set for $40 in a pawnshop. I already had multiple taps in everything from 1-72 to over an inch. Short a few dies and fine threads. I can't buy very many small taps for $40

Point is if anybody is selling stuff at a pawnshop, the should know and be willing to accept that they are getting paid way below market value. Catching a guy leaving pawnshop and giving him what HE WANTED for it isn't screwing the guy.
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Shops I'm familiar with would have given the young man his $300.
Then it would be logged, and shelved, tagged as a 'scarce-rare collectible' and been priced very close to $1k.
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