|
|
09-13-2020, 05:31 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 12
Likes: 53
Liked 29 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Value of 2, "NIB" 28-2 Highway Patrolman's with 4" Barrels
Greetings and salutations,
I know a little bit about a lot of topics. I am afraid that Smith & Wesson revolvers is not one of those topics. In the words of the great American poet Brian Wilson, "Help me Rhonda, help, help me Rhonda".
I have 2 (no, thats not a typo) NIB, supposedly never fired 28-2 Highway Patrolman with 4" barrels. I have boxes, manuals, cleaning kits and yes, even the blank warranty cards. I verified with Smith on Friday they are in fact 1972 N Models.
One has a ring around the cylinder like it has been dry fired, the other is flawless with the exception of some bluing missing where they cylinder closes. Pay no attend to the funny looking "green stuff" you see, it is Frog Lube. Well taken care of, no rust or blemises to the finish that I can see.
If these are collector pieces I don't want to shoot them, but if it doesn't matter on the value I will take them to the range tomorrow.
Do I have something rare and unique or these a dime a dozen? Thanks in advance for any and all feedback.
|
The Following 17 Users Like Post:
|
ameridaddy, daddio202, deanodog, Golphin, Grayfox, jscheck, leonardocarrillo, MAG-NUM, mod29, mod57, retnavyshooter, RKmesa, Seamus O'Caiside, Six Gun Shooter, Skeptic 9c, tenntex32, Tytan01 |
09-13-2020, 05:39 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: HoosieRama
Posts: 6,979
Likes: 2,396
Liked 3,853 Times in 1,401 Posts
|
|
Welcome to the Forum!
They are $1000-1200 guns as described (each!)
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 05:41 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 12
Likes: 53
Liked 29 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VM
Welcome to the Forum!
They are $1000-1200 guns as described (each!)
|
Thanks for the welcome Sir...
Does the fact they are 48 years old and never shot add to the value or just because of the condition?
Bottom line, should I shoot them or keep them unfired?
|
09-13-2020, 05:51 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 3,264
Likes: 5,026
Liked 15,164 Times in 2,493 Posts
|
|
You have the opportunity to shoot the heck out of one of them and keep the pristine one in the safe!
__________________
Pass it on.
Mark
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 06:05 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tincup, CO
Posts: 3,694
Likes: 6,288
Liked 7,472 Times in 2,287 Posts
|
|
Not totally unusual to find one in that condition, but two! The prices have skyrocketed in the last ten years on Mod 28s. IMHO really only semi-collectible, if not very fine guns, just not old enough - yet. The 28 was the working man's/cop's version of the highly polished, checkered barrel ramp, ship o' the line Mod 27. Same gun, just cosmetic money saving things. I'm with the shoot one, save one crowd. You'll love it.
__________________
Some collect art; I shoot it!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 06:12 PM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 107
Likes: 141
Liked 192 Times in 62 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by KalamazooKid
You have the opportunity to shoot the heck out of one of them and keep the pristine one in the safe!
|
That's exactly what I was fixing to say!
I have a 6" Highway Patrolman that I bought new at about the same time yours was made. I have other guns but I love that one best, and I will keep it until I die. The HP is a working man's gun more than a collector. If I understand correctly, it is the same thing as a M27, but with a less-shiny finish to hold the price down. There are a lot of people, including me, who admire working guns.
Carefully preserve the best one, and shoot the bejesus out of the other one!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 06:16 PM
|
Vendor
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 6,183
Likes: 54,421
Liked 13,592 Times in 4,282 Posts
|
|
They're a dime a dozen, but since you're such a nice guy, I'll give you a dollar for both of them!
I would shoot the one and keep the other one as new. Keep the boxes, tools and all papers for both.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 06:49 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 12
Likes: 53
Liked 29 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
So I didn't do too shabby paying $400 each for them is the gist of what I am hearing :-)
The mint stainless Coonan in .357 Magnum with 3 mags for $1,000 wasn't a bad purchase either.
Thanks for all the feedback. I will follow the advice and shoot one, store one.
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:11 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: AR—Town & Country
Posts: 7,491
Likes: 80,375
Liked 26,153 Times in 5,958 Posts
|
|
^^^Stop what you are doing now and go buy some lottery tickets!
__________________
Possum—The other white meat!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:24 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,260
Likes: 957
Liked 1,555 Times in 680 Posts
|
|
Why do you want to shoot it or them?
I vote against the group and would not shoot either one. Unfired guns in the original box and all the papers definitely attracts collectors attention. Everyday their are fewer to chose from. When and if you decided to sell them the buyers will nick pick everything little detail to try to drive the price down.
I asked the same question once about shooting a NiB 25-5 and was told it would not hurt it’s value while receiving low ball pm’s offers to buy it.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:31 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: central Virginia
Posts: 2,940
Likes: 13,377
Liked 7,014 Times in 2,123 Posts
|
|
Perchance are they consecutively numbered? If so ask the experts here again. If not, like they said, shoot one, put the other in the safe.
BTW, given that steal, do you also rob banks or often find bags of money lying on a sidewalk?
Nice find!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:33 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,353
Likes: 5,459
Liked 2,782 Times in 1,263 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmedRealtor
So I didn't do too shabby paying $400 each for them is the gist of what I am hearing :-)
The mint stainless Coonan in .357 Magnum with 3 mags for $1,000 wasn't a bad purchase either.
Thanks for all the feedback. I will follow the advice and shoot one, store one.
|
The instant you shoot them, all the other NIB examples out there become more valuable. I'd sit on them for a decade or two, but that's just me. Plenty of shooter grade firearms out there.
Have fun, whatever you decide.
__________________
Just Say No - To Social Media
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:38 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 12
Likes: 53
Liked 29 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSA1
Why do you want to shoot it or them?
I vote against the group and would not shoot either one. Unfired guns in the original box and all the papers definitely attracts collectors attention. Everyday their are fewer to chose from.
|
Good point... and well taken. My thoughts are...
I am a lifelong firearms enthusiast... who has NEVER shot a S&W revolver, and I am a .357 kind of guy. I own several Ruger's in .357 including my daily carry and now a Coonan.
I am dying to shoot the lesser of the two in condition, they feel so "refined" over the Ruger. The trigger in single action is very light, I'm salivating as I think about it...lol Once I shoot it, it will never be sold as long as I am above ground. Nobody is promised tomorrow..
My initial thought was to sell one of them to a collector and use the proceeds to buy a good condition 28-2 or the famous Model 19 I hear so much about. I would have the benefit of having the #2 still unfired to have and to hold from this day forward. Then it's a win-win for everyone and neither gets shot.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Last edited by ArmedRealtor; 09-13-2020 at 07:41 PM.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:45 PM
|
Vendor
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 6,183
Likes: 54,421
Liked 13,592 Times in 4,282 Posts
|
|
Any of them can have a nice single action trigger pull. But a tuned Smith has a way better double action than a tuned Ruger. Neither have a good DA out of the box.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 07:55 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,353
Likes: 5,459
Liked 2,782 Times in 1,263 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmedRealtor
My initial thought was to sell one of them to a collector and use the proceeds to buy a good condition 28-2 or the famous Model 19 I hear so much about. I would have the benefit of having the #2 still unfired to have and to hold from this day forward. Then it's a win-win for everyone and neither gets shot.
That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
|
There's really no wrong decision here. But the above is a plan I could endorse.
I have a couple of unfired guns and just can't ... quite ... pull ... the ... trigger. I really don't know why, neither one is anything special.
__________________
Just Say No - To Social Media
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 08:24 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ashtabula County, Ohio
Posts: 6,074
Likes: 9,342
Liked 13,754 Times in 4,037 Posts
|
|
Consider the Model 28 is no longer being made. Now, how many unfired ones are being produced? Firing either or both will affect the value of the revolver. How much?, who knows. I fall behind the keep itthem unfired group.
But, then again, I took a Model 28-2 and converted it to 45 ACP.
Kevin
__________________
Unshared knowledge is wasted.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 08:32 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Micanopy Florida
Posts: 1,536
Likes: 6,645
Liked 2,476 Times in 948 Posts
|
|
The one has a turn line so shooting it would make no difference to me if I was buying it. Also how can you prove neither has been shot? I would shoot the one with the turn line and sell the other to someone who would pay a lot because I told them it had never been fired even if I had just bought it.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 08:32 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,871
Likes: 11,839
Liked 13,832 Times in 3,362 Posts
|
|
In the real world they are worth about $800 a piece.
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-13-2020, 09:27 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,486
Likes: 3,153
Liked 3,122 Times in 776 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosedog
In the real world they are worth about $800 a piece.
|
Dead on analysis.
2 similar condition guns on Gunbroker now at $749 and $800. And they've sat for several 6 day cycles. More worn used examples go for $500-600 routinely. NIB certainly adds a premium, but asking $1000 or more imo guarantees they'll sit for awhile.
Just my observed $.02. Great P&R N frames, but at this time they're not uncommon with sellers parting with them to buy 9mm plastic fantastics. What I'm saying is it's a great time to buy Smith's, but not necessarily to sell.
Last edited by .357magger; 09-13-2020 at 09:30 PM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-14-2020, 08:28 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hillsdale, Mi.
Posts: 7,500
Likes: 7,041
Liked 7,088 Times in 2,942 Posts
|
|
Welcome to the FORUM from Michigan! Congratulations, you were are the right place at the right time! I still want for a 28, 4". Do have a 6" no dash from 1960. Bob
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 01:03 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tincup, CO
Posts: 3,694
Likes: 6,288
Liked 7,472 Times in 2,287 Posts
|
|
To get back in on the thread, I think you have two very fine guns. However, I am questioning the "never fired" status based on what appears to be powder residue (well cleaned) around all cylinders on both guns. Other eyes?opinions?
__________________
Some collect art; I shoot it!
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 07:09 AM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: IL
Posts: 1,859
Likes: 1,024
Liked 3,605 Times in 957 Posts
|
|
If it’s already got a turn line, it’s not going to lose any value being shot.
Plug away with it, it’s no longer NIB.
__________________
My sgntr is mor thn 30 chrctrs
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 08:16 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central Montana
Posts: 13,713
Likes: 12,857
Liked 39,472 Times in 10,045 Posts
|
|
Sell them both and buy a nice shooter grade one and shoot the snot out of it.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 08:22 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Utah
Posts: 7,239
Likes: 16,636
Liked 24,206 Times in 5,135 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by .357magger
but not necessarily to sell.
|
For me this is an excellent time to sell.
__________________
Kenny
Endeavor to persevere.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 10:01 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: North Central Texas
Posts: 1,283
Likes: 925
Liked 2,173 Times in 836 Posts
|
|
Keep the example with the turn line as a shooter. Sell the better condition example at a premium. Find a lesser priced high condition shooter grade 28-2 with a 6" barrel to round out the set. (Assuming you may be leaning towards being a shooter-collector and not a safequeen-collector.)
Spend the money left over on ammo or reloading components to feed them and keep them happy. (If you can actually find ammo or reloading components right now.)
I just looked at a 6" shooter grade 28-2...........and I mean visibly used, that the gun shop had priced at $699. (No box)
When I asked if they would come down off the $699+tax price they declined stating they were extremely comfortable it would sell at their asking price.
I paid $1200 ($625/$575) for two 6" 28-2 examples in the spring of last year, no box for either example. Both in excellent condition finish wise, but one of the examples had a stock serial number that was very close to but not the exact same as the frame's.
I would put a premium on a similar condition 4" example, even more of a premium on an as-new 4" example, and an as-new in box 4" example I feel $900 isn't too far off the mark for the right buyer.
As I have read numerous times any functioning N-Frame=$500. I could easily see adding an additional $400 for as-new condition, the original box/accessories/documentation, and it being a more desirable 4" configuration.
I seriously doubt most shops in my area would price an as-new in box 4" 28-2 at less than $1000.
Oh, and another thing.......study the front cylinder face of each example very closely. If truly unfired by the previous owner(s) then ONLY EVERY OTHER chamber mouth on the front cylinder face should show evidence of being test fired by the factory.
Dale
Last edited by tenntex32; 09-15-2020 at 10:23 AM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 10:25 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 525
Likes: 796
Liked 458 Times in 268 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tenntex32
....
Oh, and another thing.......study the front cylinder face of each example very closely. If truly unfired by the previous owner(s) then ONLY EVERY OTHER chamber mouth on the front cylinder face should show evidence of being test fired by the factory.
Dale
|
Wow, never heard that fact before. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 10:25 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: North Central Texas
Posts: 1,283
Likes: 925
Liked 2,173 Times in 836 Posts
|
|
.............an extra thumbs up for both examples as I could only give 1 like on the OP!
Last edited by tenntex32; 09-15-2020 at 10:33 AM.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 10:30 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: North Central Texas
Posts: 1,283
Likes: 925
Liked 2,173 Times in 836 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighterjohn
Wow, never heard that fact before. Learn something new everyday. Thanks!
|
I usually don't have to look for it as I rarely buy any S&W revolver examples as-new or brand new. (Aside from the wife's and my 638 and 642 examples, which we were going to be shooting immediately anyways.)
Without getting on too far of a siderail maybe one of the more astute S&W collectors here can give a brief tutorial as to when the factory "every other chamber" test firing practice came about.......and if it is still currently in use?
Last edited by tenntex32; 09-15-2020 at 10:32 AM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 10:40 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 525
Likes: 796
Liked 458 Times in 268 Posts
|
|
..apologize for getting off topic from the 2 28s...
Quote:
Originally Posted by tenntex32
I usually don't have to look for it as I rarely buy any S&W revolver examples as-new or brand new. (Aside from the wife's and my 638 and 642 examples, which we were going to be shooting immediately anyways.)
Without getting on too far of a siderail maybe one of the more astute S&W collectors here can give a brief tutorial as to when the factory "every other chamber" test firing practice came about.......and if it is still currently in use?
|
That would be interesting to know as well. It could be a good visual argument when someone tries to sell you one as NIB never-fired. Other than that visual clue, how do you really know if it's true or not?
Last edited by firefighterjohn; 09-15-2020 at 10:41 AM.
Reason: clarification
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-15-2020, 11:18 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sadly, Seattle WA
Posts: 10,619
Likes: 22,917
Liked 10,361 Times in 4,298 Posts
|
|
__________________
Even older, even crankier....
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-16-2020, 01:02 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 12
Likes: 53
Liked 29 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosedog
In the real world they are worth about $800 a piece.
|
Damnit man, can you please switch us back to that alternative universe STAT?
I far prefer the values suggested in the alternative universe. How dare you poo-poo all over my value parade with "pie in the sky" things like actual stats, sales prices and days on market. All semantics... LOL
|
09-16-2020, 01:17 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Hot-as-Hades, Arizona
Posts: 203
Likes: 1,086
Liked 463 Times in 122 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmedRealtor
So I didn't do too shabby paying $400 each for them is the gist of what I am hearing :-)
The mint stainless Coonan in .357 Magnum with 3 mags for $1,000 wasn't a bad purchase either.
Thanks for all the feedback. I will follow the advice and shoot one, store one.
|
$400 EACH for thr 28's and $1K for the Coonan? I need to move to your town apparently.
Good job!
Shoot one, safe-queen the other.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-16-2020, 10:09 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 916
Likes: 1,409
Liked 1,083 Times in 361 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tenntex32
.
Oh, and another thing.......study the front cylinder face of each example very closely. If truly unfired by the previous owner(s) then ONLY EVERY OTHER chamber mouth on the front cylinder face should show evidence of being test fired by the factory.
Dale
|
Here is an example. Easier to see on a nickel finish.
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-18-2020, 07:05 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Toledo, Ohio
Posts: 741
Likes: 604
Liked 853 Times in 384 Posts
|
|
I would shoot the one with the turn line, and put the other one away for a couple of years and then sell it for what I'm sure will be an excessive amount.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-18-2020, 07:53 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northeastern Florida
Posts: 1,826
Likes: 4,981
Liked 5,599 Times in 1,016 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmedRealtor
So I didn't do too shabby paying $400 each for them is the gist of what I am hearing :-)
The mint stainless Coonan in .357 Magnum with 3 mags for $1,000 wasn't a bad purchase either.
Thanks for all the feedback. I will follow the advice and shoot one, store one.
|
At that price, Grand Theft Revolver!
Geoff
Who notes here in NE FL before the disaster a Model 28 w/o box etc would have been $450 and UP!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-18-2020, 09:06 AM
|
Junior Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: MA
Posts: 7,707
Likes: 13,905
Liked 9,470 Times in 4,391 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by VM
Welcome to the Forum!
They are $1000-1200 guns as described (each!)
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosedog
In the real world they are worth about $800 a piece.
|
All I can add to this conversation is that a local dealer had one (still unfired NIB with everything) come in about 2 years ago. It sold almost instantly for cool $1K plus tax.
GB isn't always the real world. Neither are the Forum classifieds at times. Local shops (and gun-dealing pawn shops, where allowed) are where bargains can sometimes be found. It wouldn't shock me to find one in a shop for $800. It also wouldn't shock me to find one in a shop priced at $1,200.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|