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Old 09-19-2020, 04:49 PM
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This morning a few friends from our shooting club and I were invited to a shooting challenge organised by the shooting society of the Lausanne police corps (Lausanne being a city in Switzerland).

We shot, had a good time, decent result. Then one of our guys says he has to go to the LGS which is literally 3 miles from the shooting range to pick a Sig P226 Legion he had ordered. Yep we’ll all go with him, who doesn’t like to roam around a gun shop, and we had a couple hours to kill before lunch.

Due to Covid, only two people were allowed in the shop at the same time (plus the three employees). After a fair bit of waiting time (paperwork being filled in for my friend) it was my time to go in and take a peak. I had not been in that shop for quite a while, and remembered they sold mostly modern new tactical stuff I have little interest for, so I thought I’d be safe since I had no intention to buy more guns this month.

Except that in a cabinet I saw those two



A 19-3 6” and a 66 no dash 4”, both p&r

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The 19









The 66









I was hooked but I had one more line of defence : bargaining. I know that this LGS prouds itself of having some of the lowest prices in the country and hates it when customers haggle.

So I asked what price he’d do if I buy both. He said the addition of the two prices, no rebate. That’s a little over $ 1600. I asked again and he declined to do a gesture again, elaborating that those older Smith literally fly of the shelves when priced right, which is true.

The last one he had similar to those was gone after four days, and the 19 had just come in a few days earlier (upon checking he saw it came in yesterday).

So I developed my final argument, that it was not just about the economics of that particular deal but also about really pleasing the customer and turning a walk-in into a repeat customer. I mentioned another LGS I discovered recently, where I did some multiple purchases and always got a deal, ending with 12 guns or so bought there since February.

He relented and mentioned he didn’t want to be a d**k, gave me a $ 110 rebate, just above $ 1500 for both. I really tried hard not to buy them, since I was determined to walk out if I didn’t get a deal. Oh well, waiting for the permit now


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Congrats!! two fine Smiths!

The M19 clearly appears to be mis=stamped M18-3. But it's definitely a Model 19 frame. Otherwise the front face of the frame would be too short for the extractor rod shroud under the barrel.

But no big deal, it happens occasionally.
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Awesome duo and prices at least here in the states.
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If you look closely it is stamped "19". Made me take a second look too!
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Is that a 4" barrel on the 66? I'm sure it is, but for some reason it looks a little shorter. Maybe it's the grips throwing me off.
Beautiful guns, man. I'd love to have that m66.
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:29 PM
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I do not know the prices in Switzerland but in Argentina they would cost double what you paid, congratulations, very good purchase.
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I don't see anything that nice in my local stores. I think you came out great. Congrats!
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Beautiful pair of k frames! Congratulations!
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Ah yes, I guess it is, thank you.

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You did the right thing! I’d love to have either one...or both!

...and very fairly priced, IMHO.

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You did pretty good. Enjoy them.
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Are you paying in CH francs or Euros? Just curious. Why is a price tag in US dollars?


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Are guns like that hard to find in Argentina? Or is the price a matter of currency differences?

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Gruss! The grips on the 19 are phenomenal! If those are authentic Smith and Wesson grips,they would be worth $200 ++ USD! The 19 also has the partridge front sights! Well done..
That 66 has the stainless steel rear sights! Again worth around $900 to $1100 USD in the good condition it appears... especially a 4 inch! The grip wood grain is also nice. Grips alone worth $120 USD!
Friend,you hit on some fine revolvers!
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The M19 clearly appears to be mis=stamped M18-3. But it's definitely a Model 19 frame. Otherwise the front face of the frame would be too short for the extractor rod shroud under the barrel.



But no big deal, it happens occasionally.
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It’s just an optical illusion

There’s a bare metal spot from stamping on the right side of the “9” and some dirt/grease on the left side of the “9” giving the impression the loop is closed and making it resemble an “8”

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Swiss Francs (CHF). The price tag just has the price number, no currency code or symbol
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Is that a 4" barrel on the 66? I'm sure it is, but for some reason it looks a little shorter. Maybe it's the grips throwing me off.
Beautiful guns, man. I'd love to have that m66.


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Gruss! The grips on the 19 are phenomenal! If those are authentic Smith and Wesson grips,they would be worth $200 ++ USD! The 19 also has the partridge front sights! Well done..
That 66 has the stainless steel rear sights! Again worth around $900 to $1100 USD in the good condition it appears... especially a 4 inch! The grip wood grain is also nice. Grips alone worth $120 USD!
Friend,you hit on some fine revolvers!

Actually I realised on the photos that the grips on the 19 do not have the Smith & Wesson emblem so they are probably not original

I love the Patridge front sight and it gives a better sight picture, it’s one of the reason that attracted me to this 19.
I already have a 17-6 and a 27-3 with that sight





And I have no use for red front sight inserts either, so the purity of the 66’s sight is a big plus

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Nice early pair , is the front site ramp on the 19-3 pinned to the barrel or is it integral?
The stocks on the 19-3 are definately aftermarket, the stocks on the 66 are about 10 years newer than the gun, both would have come with football releif cut Goncalo Alves target stocks.
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They arrived home a few days ago, and I quickly proceeded with a grip change, combats for the 19 and target football cut for the 66













And then off to the range

This military 25 meters range “tolerates” 38 spl but wad cutters only

They both shot left for me so I had to sight them in





Went to another range in the evening and shot some regular 38 spl. Given my bad experience with my 6 inch 66-2 (2 broken barrels), I think those will mostly shoot 38.




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Does the Model 19 barrel length look longer than 6" to anyone else?
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Does the Model 19 barrel length look longer than 6" to anyone else?
I thought that, too, but I think it's more about the scale of the smaller K-frame that makes a 6" barrel look longer than it does on an N frame gun.

Two really nice revolvers, OP. You did well on the combined price, either of those would bring $900 USD or better, especially the early M66.

I once had a 4" M66-1, which I traded a 6" M19-2 for(which had the Patridge front sight). That was back when the guns were still fairly new, late 1970's. Wish I still had them, but I do have a really nice 4" M19-3 that I love to shoot. It's my only K frame, a "little brother" to my N frame guns. Here it is with my M28-2
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I have a similar pair a 19-4 and a 66-1. Great guns and I think you got a very good deal Enjoy
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Let go of my 66 - 1 years ago with box and tools. Stupid! Did not know box and tools were valuable.
Current are the 19 no dash 4 inch that does have initials engraved on the weapon. 59 - 60.
Also have a 19-5 snub nose.
19's are rare in my area. Early 19's are extremely rare.
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I have a 4 inch model 66 no dash that I bought new in about 1975. I paid between $225-$250 for it. I still have it and enjoy it. Enjoy yours.
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That 66 looks super nice, even has the cutout cylinder for moon clips! Sure wish I could find "finds" like that here, jealous!
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I lucked into a LNIB four inch, pinned & recessed M66 w/stainless sights & football factory grips, plus magna factory grips, for $600. The previous owner (retired cop I worked with) purchased it new in 1973, fired one cylinder to ensure function, cleaned it and put it in his safe.
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Two great looking revolvers. Congrats!
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Great guns and a very nice find! And the price is really good too.
I have a 19-1 in 4” nickel and a 66 no dash that’s NIB. The 19- was my first duty weapon and I will never part with it. It’s a great shooter and shoots better than I can hold. I love K frames and those are a couple of nice ones.
Congrats, you made a great find!
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currency conversion, on my iphone, says $1654.75 USD. damn good deal
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That 66 looks super nice, even has the cutout cylinder for moon clips! Sure wish I could find "finds" like that here, jealous!
The "cutouts" aren't for moon clips. S&W magnums prior to 1982 have chamber recesses in the cylinder to fully enclose the base and rim of the case. They were deleted in models after 1982 because it was deemed an unnecessary feature and was more expensive to produce. However, they remain a desired trait to many collectors, along with the pinned barrels.

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Weird, I knew it was pinned/recessed. I've seen other p/r Smith's, including my 629, which don't have the cutout's for the cartridges all the way to the "ratchet" area. Must have been something they did way back when on "K" frames?

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I haven't seen it mentioned but the 66 and the 19 are the same gun. The 66 is the SS version of the 19.
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Are guns like that hard to find in Argentina? Or is the price a matter of currency differences?
Answering your question, weapons like this are obtained in Argentina, what happens is that in my country everything is much more expensive than in the United States, perhaps due to import costs, abusive taxes and merchants who want to earn a lot.
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Weird, I knew it was pinned/recessed. I've seen other p/r Smith's, including my 629, which don't have the cutout's for the cartridges all the way to the "ratchet" area. Must have been something they did way back when on "K" frames?
If the magnum revolver has a pinned barrel, it generally has the recessed cylinder. Both features were dropped around 1982; however, there are quite a few guns made during the 1981-82 period which are "transitional", having one feature but not both. This applies to both K frame and N frame guns. The L frame didn't appear until after the P&R guns were gone.
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If the magnum revolver has a pinned barrel, it generally has the recessed cylinder. Both features were dropped around 1982; however, there are quite a few guns made during the 1981-82 period which are "transitional", having one feature but not both. This applies to both K frame and N frame guns. The L frame didn't appear until after the P&R guns were gone.
Just strange looking at the pics again. The recesses on the 629 are perfectly round for the cartridge head, including the extractor. The pics here show that the recesses are machined round for the cartridge heads but there is extra metal machined away on both the cylinder and extractor. Hence my question on if they did this for the "K" frame in 357/38. Smaller cylinder thickness maybe? My K22 also has recesses that are perfectly round that don't have extra metal machined away. Always looking to learn...

After looking at a bunch of pics of these older "K" frames looks like all of them are the same. Interesting that they are machined this way. You learn something new everyday!

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Great find and discounted purchase! I love the grain on the Model 19 stocks! It is very unique. I also am a fan of P&R revolvers and have a M19-4 4" nickel and a M66 no dash 4". (both P&R) I believe the dash 4 was the last of the M19 to have the pinned barrel & recessed cylinder. Mine is circa 1978.
1st two photos are the M19. Photos taken by the seller-thanks!
2nd two photos are the M66.
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Beautiful. The stocks on the 19 look like the black & white ebony Kim Ahrends used to use. I have a set of his for the N-Frame.
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Just strange looking at the pics again. The recesses on the 629 are perfectly round for the cartridge head, including the extractor. The pics here show that the recesses are machined round for the cartridge heads but there is extra metal machined away on both the cylinder and extractor. Hence my question on if they did this for the "K" frame in 357/38. Smaller cylinder thickness maybe? My K22 also has recesses that are perfectly round that don't have extra metal machined away. Always looking to learn...

After looking at a bunch of pics of these older "K" frames looks like all of them are the same. Interesting that they are machined this way. You learn something new everyday!
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I took another look at the cylinder breech face on your M66; I now see what you're talking about; there is an "extra" ring of metal around the rear rim of the cylinder, and then the chamber recesses. My M19-3 is the same way, but my other three magnums are N-frames, and they don't have the "extra" bit of metal. I can only surmise it is a K-frame magnum characteristic, but I don't know whether it carries over to the non-recessed cylinders. I don't think it does. Please excuse the nasty condition of my M19, I had just brought it home from purchasing it and took pictures before I cleaned it. Compare the M19-3's cylinder with a M28-2, M57, and M29-2, all P&R.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:25 AM
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Congrats!! two fine Smiths!

The M19 clearly appears to be mis=stamped M18-3. But it's definitely a Model 19 frame. Otherwise the front face of the frame would be too short for the extractor rod shroud under the barrel.

But no big deal, it happens occasionally.
WOW! I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me and I convinced myself that it was a 9 instead of an 8, haha!
You did well, OP. That is a great price for the 66 here in TEXAS. I would have broke my hip taking my wallet out so fast to buy it. I paid much more for my no-dash 66 a couple of years ago.
Heck, I would have bought bothe of those pieces for the listed price.
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If you look closely it is stamped "19". Made me take a second look too!
Upon further review, after using the Bladerunner Program in my computer, it is clearly a 9.

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I took another look at the cylinder breech face on your M66; I now see what you're talking about; there is an "extra" ring of metal around the rear rim of the cylinder, and then the chamber recesses. My M19-3 is the same way, but my other three magnums are N-frames, and they don't have the "extra" bit of metal. I can only surmise it is a K-frame magnum characteristic, but I don't know whether it carries over to the non-recessed cylinders. I don't think it does. Please excuse the nasty condition of my M19, I had just brought it home from purchasing it and took pictures before I cleaned it. Compare the M19-3's cylinder with a M28-2, M57, and M29-2, all P&R.
Brother Trigger, you're comparing an N-frame, which has a larger cylinder and therefore more room between chambers, to a K frame, which has much less room between chambers. The cuts to recess on the K, therefore, "overlap," for lack of a better term, where the increased size of the N means the recesses are further apart and much more defined.
A K-22 has more defined recesses because the .22 is, of course, much smaller than a .38/.357, so there is more territory between chambers. Hope this helps!


OP, your taste in revolvers is superb! Congratulations on some great finds (and my condolences to your wallet!)
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