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Old 01-09-2021, 08:24 AM
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I inherited these from my father a couple years ago so please forgive my ignorance! I canít find ANY info on the 12-2 in particular, whenever I search for the model 12-2 nothing but stubnoses come up and my barrels a little longer.. any info regarding production year, price value (even though I intend on keeping them &#128526, etc will be very appreciated!

Model 12-2 S/N = D417XXX
Model 19-4 S/N = 39k7XXX
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D330001-D420000 corresponds to 1971~72
25K0001-56K9999 is 1978~79

The Model 12 was also called the Military & Police Airweight in early production. It should have an alloy frame and steel cylinder and barrel, and weigh around 18 oz +. The 12-2 version started in 1962, and underwent several changes before yours. The now "standard" thumb latch started in 1966, the D-prefix serial number in 1967, etc. It was replaced by version 12-3 in 1977. It looks like the nickel version, 3" barrel? (unless it has been refinished in nickel). It is not a common gun.

The Model 19 is also called the 357 Combat Magnum, and is much more common. Value can be estimated from completed auctions on Gunbroker and elsewhere, and the Classifieds section here.

Most of this information came from the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, by Jim Supica, available on Amazon. Someone else can no doubt give you value estimates for insurance purposes.
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Old 01-09-2021, 11:13 AM
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D330001-D420000 corresponds to 1971~72
25K0001-56K9999 is 1978~79

The Model 12 was also called the Military & Police Airweight in early production. It should have an alloy frame and steel cylinder and barrel, and weigh around 18 oz +. The 12-2 version started in 1962, and underwent several changes before yours. The now "standard" thumb latch started in 1966, the D-prefix serial number in 1967, etc. It was replaced by version 12-3 in 1977. It looks like the nickel version, 3" barrel? (unless it has been refinished in nickel). It is not a common gun.

The Model 19 is also called the 357 Combat Magnum, and is much more common. Value can be estimated from completed auctions on Gunbroker and elsewhere, and the Classifieds section here.

Most of this information came from the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, by Jim Supica, available on Amazon. Someone else can no doubt give you value estimates for insurance purposes.
Thanks for the reply! I really appreciate it! The barrel on the 12-2 measures 3í from the front of the cylinder to the front of the barrel. As far as I know, I donít know if it was refinished BUT considering itís 50yrs old it is in GREAT condition and the finish glissles and shines like itís brand new in the light so maybe it couldíve been? .. Once again excuse my ďnaive nessĒ Lol, but these are both pinned and recessed correct? Thanks again for the reply! Hereís some additional pictures of the model 12-2
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The Model 12-2 has been refinished and it looks like it was given a hard chrome finish, which included the hammer and trigger. Not the work of S&W. The stocks are aftermarket.

The Model 19-4 is from 1978 and appears to be original. You will note that it still has the pinned barrel and the counterbored cylinder. That changed in 1982.
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D330001-D420000 corresponds to 1971~72
25K0001-56K9999 is 1978~79

The Model 12 was also called the Military & Police Airweight in early production. It should have an alloy frame and steel cylinder and barrel, and weigh around 18 oz +. The 12-2 version started in 1962, and underwent several changes before yours. The now "standard" thumb latch started in 1966, the D-prefix serial number in 1967, etc. It was replaced by version 12-3 in 1977. It looks like the nickel version, 3" barrel? (unless it has been refinished in nickel). It is not a common gun.

The Model 19 is also called the 357 Combat Magnum, and is much more common. Value can be estimated from completed auctions on Gunbroker and elsewhere, and the Classifieds section here.

Most of this information came from the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, by Jim Supica, available on Amazon. Someone else can no doubt give you value estimates for insurance purposes.
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The Model 12-2 has been refinished and it looks like it was given a hard chrome finish, which included the hammer and trigger. Not the work of S&W. The stocks are aftermarket.

The Model 19-4 is from 1978 and appears to be original. You will note that it still has the pinned barrel and the counterbored cylinder. That changed in 1982.
Thanks for the info guys I really appreciate it!, I wasnít aware of it being refinished at all, but it makes sense because it is in such good condition for being around 50yrs old, does the refinish hurt the value at all? I looked on gun broker and gun auctions and canít find 1 single image of it when I search for 12-2ís.. hereís some additional pictures
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The last group of pictures confirm the refinish. The sideplate fit is all wrong - the result of over-polishing. You can see this also in the damage done to the monogram.

And yes, it does reduce the market value.

The Model 12-2 would not have a "recessed" cylinder. That was only done on rimfire and magnum caliber revolvers. The .38 Special revolvers never had counterbored cylinders.

I suspect the barrel on your 12-2 was replaced, probably at the time the gun was chrome plated. Here's why: 1) it does not say "Airweight" on the side, which an original barrel on this model would; 2) the 3" barrel is highly unusual on a Model 12. There were some built on special order for export to France in 1966 but this is not one of those; 3) the red insert on the ramp front sight is also not normal for a Model 12.
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A hard chrome finish is nothing to sneeze at. If done right it is very durable, and more attractive than some more modern refinishing techniques.

The Model 19 would be more readily convertible to cash, and the target hammer and trigger make it a little more valuable. Some people consider the model 19 the best example of a S&W revolver of the period. The grips on the Model 19 may be original, and they are also target grips. People are generally willing to pay more for guns with the "3T's" (target hammer, target trigger, and target grips). In good condition, the grips sell for well over $100 on ebay. They are usually called "K-frame Target Stocks with Speed Loader cut" (the Model 19 frame is K size). The most popular sizes S&W made at the time were J, K, L, and N.
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Yes, itís resale value is diminished by the refinishing and modification. But, in this case, itís not an investment. You still have a nice handgun to appreciate and enjoy.

Shoot it. Tell the story.
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Thanks for all the info you guys! I appreciate it!! All though it is a bummer that it was refinished.. ���� I just thought by miracle it was in fantastic shape after being around a half a century years old Lol.. I guess it’ll stay the nightstand gun for the wife.. it sure kicks like a 357! It actually has more recoil than the 19 by far!
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