I recently picked up a nice example Model 27-2 with a Patridge Front Sight. It's a 6" P and R ca 1978-79.









Added Pics with Targets that came with the gun, would these be the correct type and vintage?





Best Regards,

Kobsw

One word
NICE

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That's a beauty!

The Patridge is not unusual. You see them both ways on the 6" units, but it seems to me the Patridge is more common (not scientific, just my observation).

In any case, that one is as nice as they come. Congrats!

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

Looks just like mine, possibly my favorite gun.

Your 27-2 should have been shipped with a mahogany presentation case and target stocks made of Goncalo alves as it was made after the upgrade to this model in September 1975. It has the target hammer and trigger. I suspect the blue box and Magna stocks are not original to the 27-2. However, it is still a very nice example.

Bill

Beautiful revolver kobsw!
Besides the correct info Bill has told you, the Modified Magnas or “plain clothes” PC Magnas are the style use for fixed sight Model 58 or 520 only.

One of my m28’s has those same grips. My new m58 had them but I purchased the s&w combat finger groove grips from the s&w store.

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real nice revolver! enjoy it

Doc, I appreciate the information, I did get a set of N Frame targets when I bought it so I'm thinking the original mahogany presentation case was long gone(or otherwise unavailable) at the time of purchase.

I'm going to try to make this one as correct as possible so off to the classifieds

Thanks again,

Kobsw

VM, Roger that, N Frame Magnas are not available on the Model 27's of this timeframe.

Fortunately, I did receive a nice pair of N Frame relieved Target Stocks with the gun so it looks like I may only need the presentation case to make this correct for the time period.

Thanks for the info,

Kobsw

The target grips were probably too big for the last owner.

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John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!

Very nice revolver. The model 27 is kinda my thing. Enjoy.

Thanks for the compliments 27 Man(and everyone else)... I take it you may have a few yourself.

Kobsw

Added Pics here and to the original post of the Targets that came with the gun, would these be the correct type and vintage?





Thanks for all the help,

Kobsw

Congrats! Beautiful package and nicely photographed.

I too love the Model 27 and it pre-model number .357 Magnum ancestors. My S&WCA Membership number (2027), was determined by when I applied for membership. But it was a fantastic coincidental indicator of my passion for the Model 27 that continues to drive my collecting passions today. They are some of the finest handguns ever produced.

Thanks for sharing,

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Richard
Engraved S&W fan

I believe those are the appropriate target grips for your revolver. The diamond grips ended in the late 60s if I remember correctly. The "speedloader" cut target grips started making their way around 1980 or 81. Though as everyone likes to say S&W never wasted anything so sometimes parts/specs come out after the traditional production run dates.

A definite improvement in appearance over the Magnas.

And correct for the gun.

Yes. That's about right for the N frames. On the K frame, they showed up a couple years earlier.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

Boy....... just think, at one time, that quality and craftsmanship was standard fare.

Nailed it.

Very beautiful gun...I have a pre-27 made in 1952 that is an excellent shooter...

You didn't say if the Magna grips on the gun were numbered to the gun...

Could you please also post a good picture of the label...

Bob

I find them too large for most shooters!

Kevin

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Love that 27-2!! Great gun and with accessories too!

You may want to get a factory letter to be sure of ship date before looking for a wooden presentation case as those years (late 70's very early 80's) had a major difference in the case plastic blow molded inserts for the gun and tool setup's.

I've Lettered all my better N Frames, and found the following:

The "pre-27" came with diamond Magna's and shipped October 16, 1952.

The 6" P&R Nickel 27-2 came exactly as you see it, (Patridge, GA Targets, TH, TT) and shipped May 8, 1980, blue box, wooden case, outer cardboard shipping container.

The Model 29-2 44 Magnum shipped December 31, 1980 also with GA Targets (football) and wooden case.

Notice that both 1980 cases have the gun pointing to the right. My understanding is that the insert was molded with gun pointing right for only 1978 to about 1981. I may be off a little in the years but that's my understanding. Maybe others will chime in here but if that info is correct then to make yours absolutely correct, you'll need a factory Letter to be sure of ship date.

The other thing is that most all of these cases I've come across the original factory blue flocking has long turned to dust, so you are left with "reflocking" or leave it as is (like my 29-2). My 27-2 Nickel was "relined" with maroon velvet which is NOT factory at all, but that's the way it came to me. Under the velvet is the original blow molded liner (gray foam on top) with a tool box cutout same as the 29-2.

I'm still walking the fence about sending both to Joe Cebul (on this Forum) for reflocking...he does a beautiful job!

Anyway...you have a very nice specimen of the Model 27-2. Enjoy the heck out of it.

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	27-2 N18.jpg (65.1 KB, 17 views)
	27-2 NA2.jpg (64.4 KB, 17 views)
	27-2 NA4.jpg (74.8 KB, 18 views)
	M29-2M.jpg (73.0 KB, 20 views)

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Charlie B
SWCA#3083, SWHF#570

Beautiful girl, congratulation, I really like the 6 inch barrel, means business in my eyes.

I have a 27-3 with the same sight but wish I had a pinned and recessed one, maybe one day.

Beautiful gun and fabulous pictures.








Here's my 6.5" 27 shipped back in 1960.

When I 1st acquired it the rear sight blade was bent, apparently the gun had been dropped.
I had a good friend replace it with a W/O sight blade.

It was already wearing the trigger shoe that soo many S&W purists are envious of.

I've been told a few times how hideous it is and if it was their gun they would remove it immediately.

Me?? I like it.



I asked a good friend to find me a REALLY NICE set of Coke Bottle grips for it and he did.
They are like brand new.

This is my favorite gun.

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Kenny
Endeavor to persevere.

This nickeled 27-2 6" is from that era (1979). The presentation case, tools and stocks are original to the gun, and represent the fittings that would be proper for your beautiful example.

John

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SMan, I must not be in the right circles since I can't seem to get my hands on a S&W shipped any earlier than 1969, but I'm still on the lookout.

Neither the Magnas or the Targets are number except for the letter N.

Here's a closer pic of the label and the other end of the box.

When I bought the gun the price didn't reflect the box or grips that came with it, but I'm ok with that since it really wan't advertised as such.

Does the S/N date 1978-79? I did a quick check and that's what I found.





Thanks for any info,

kobsw

cman, stunning is all I can say!! Both of those guns are exceptional and the Pre 27's Diamond Magnas are so nice.

Thanks for sharing and providing all the info,

kobsw

Pinned and Recessed or not, that's a beauty!!!

Regards, Kobsw

I've yet to own a nickel gun and hope that the day I do it's as nice as that work of art.

Thanks for the info,

Kobsw

RRanch, Yeah... I totally see why that would be your favorite, the letter and receipt just add to the total appeal of such a fine collectors piece.

Thanks a bunch for sharing.

FYI, I did some quick math and if any of us were to try and purchase the 108 guns on that receipt, ANIB, we would need to spend upwards of $90,000 in today's money, conservatively.

Anyone else come up with a different number?

Best Regards,

Kobsw

kobsw

Just to be clear, your revolver left the factory wearing Magna stocks, just not the pair shown in your first set of pictures. If you look at the box end label, you see an S in the stock location. That indicates square butt Magna stocks. As pointed out earlier, the Magnas on the gun when you got it are of the PC variety, a type not shipped on the Model 27. So the original stocks are "missing in action."

Also, N frame target stock were never numbered to the gun. Except for some very early examples on the Combat Magnum, target stocks weren't numbered on K frames either.

Magna stocks were numbered to the gun until sometime c. 1980s.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

Jack, I think the confusion is that the box shouldn't exist since from the info I'm getting my 27 would've been shipped in a presentation case since it's from 1978-79.

I agree totally, that neither of those stocks are original to the gun, so thank you for helping .

In short, I think I probably have a M27-2 without the original stocks or box/case. That's alright, I'll try to like it anyway.

Much appreciated,

Kobsw

Does the serial number on the box label match the one on your revolver? If so, it is the correct box.

I never bought a new gun back in the day that came in a presentation case. But my understanding is that the gun still shipped in the blue box, packaged together with the presentation case housed in a different, plain, box. You can check this out with those who have more knowledge of the shipping process than I have, but I believe that to be correct.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

As far as what shipped in what container I can show you the sequence with my Nickel Model 27-2 (1980) posted above. This was a "complete package" when I bought it from an estate.

The pics go in order from NA6 to NA 11. The wooden presentation case goes in a plastic sleeve then into the bottom of the outer cardboard shipping container. Next is a cardboard separator that the blue box (which contains the gun wrapped in vapor paper, tools and docs) then sits perfectly in place. Then the box is closed and shipping tape applied down the center.

I believe most all wood case guns probably shipped this way, but this is the only "complete package" I have so can't really state positively as fact.

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	27-2 NA7.jpg (50.2 KB, 106 views)
	27-2 NA8.jpg (42.6 KB, 106 views)
	27-2 NA9.jpg (66.0 KB, 106 views)
	27-2 NA11.jpg (61.0 KB, 107 views)

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Charlie B
SWCA#3083, SWHF#570

... and then when you opened the box and assembled the package for your blued 6" 27-2, this is what you would see...







These Model 27s really are the pinnacle of the revolver maker craft.

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Richard
Engraved S&W fan

The label for the guns that came from the factory with a PC was on the outside of the shipping carton...most of the time the dealer threw them away.

I have a Class A engraved 4" nickel 57 that came complete with the shipping box...trying to remember if the label fell off the shipping carton or not...

I know that Doc44 said he suspects that the label is a phony, but the box is correct for a 27-2... The box that came with PCs had no label nor any printing on the other end like yours does...

I guess a letter will be the only way to tell...maybe it was ordered without a PC...if that could be done...