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Old 09-17-2021, 08:46 PM
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A little embarrassed to say I don't know what PPC is . . . what type of shooting is it?
It's an older shooting sport, "police pistol combat "
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Old 09-17-2021, 09:10 PM
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I like that, what is it built on?
I believe it was a 10-5.
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Old 09-17-2021, 09:23 PM
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Default Clark mod. on a 70 series, new target mod.

my clark has his name on the under side of the slide. it was modified to shoot .38 "wad cuters ammo, the owner had all the original parts that were removed for a "pin gun". SO, i have a target model, like new, and original adjusted rear sights.
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Old 09-17-2021, 10:02 PM
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I think that Clark 19 is amazing! Personally, I would prefer it over a LNIB unfired 19. I would fit a target hammer with minimum single action weight. What a shooter that would be!
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Old 09-18-2021, 08:16 AM
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I was a Bullseye shooter on a Navy pistol team in the early '70's, and back then, Clark sat right next to God. If'in any of you want to clear your collection of any of that cheap Clark stuff, PM me... I'll be glad to take it off your hands!
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Old 09-18-2021, 11:43 AM
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I bought a beautiful Bill Davis PPC revolver built on a model 64 on this site about 6 months ago since I shoot PPC. I wanted Aristocrat 3 position sights and did not want the hammer bobbed......Its a beautiful well built custom revolver and will shoot a ragged hole at 15yds on a full cylindet of 38 wadcutter. Ive shot it once before 38s went thru the roof so now its too expensive to shoot @ 60c rd......Im really happy with it... and I got it at a great price..
You just have to do what the police departments did back in the day… reload! As soon as the artificially high price of primers comes back to sane levels you’ll find that you can shoot quite economically, probably cheaper than the greens fees at your local golf course or lift fees at the ski resort. The old Star Progressive presses were pretty pricey even “way back when” but Dillon made progressive reloading for the masses a reality.

Primers should get back to about $.04 ea, and swaged lead HBWCs at most about $.06, so with the most expensive powders still only costing a couple of cents a round and brass being infinitely reusable with these loads, you’re looking at shooting for about 1/4 the price you mention.

I can remember thinking $.15 per round was high, but today that would be pretty cheap shooting.

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Old 09-18-2021, 12:04 PM
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A little embarrassed to say I don't know what PPC is . . . what type of shooting is it?
PPC - It used to be the Practical Police Course back in the 1930s when the FBI designed it as more duty oriented than NRA style bullseye shooting.

The B27 target is the old Colt Police KD humanoid target but with the scoring rings of the ISU rapid fire target. The Ten ring is an oval 4"x6".

Ranges are from 7 to 50 yards. In the old days (before my time in the 1970s) you would be required to shoot from the hip at 7 yards and expected to fire "point shoulder" at 15 yards. Reloads are on the clock but while the time limits sound generous, ammo was carried in belt loops or dump pouches before speed loaders were developed.

Techniques and equipment evolved. The Match gun is as you see here a heavy barreled .38 with big bold sight rib, drawn from an open front holster and fed with speedloaders. All shots at all ranges are aimed and all shots are fired double action, even at 50 yards.

The Distinguished Revolver must have factory barrel and sights, the Service Revolver must have a 4" barrel. There was once a division that allowed any sight and barrel up to 4", leading to guns like Boozer.

And now, of course, there are corresponding divisions for automatics, with guns like the Model 52 and PPC 9 avidly sought.
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Old 09-18-2021, 01:18 PM
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So who can still make these? I've got a 686 ND I've grown bord with maybe a possible candidate?
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Here’s my model 27-2. The 300 Gun Shop in Colorado done the work on it.
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Depends on the buyer. Lots of sellers think they should command big bucks because they are "custom". A bullseye shooter may covet one, but as a collector I wouldn't look twice at one. Some classic guns have had their value ruined by these conversions.
The guy that had it built to compete wouldn't consider it ruined. If you wanted to be competitive in the PPC game you have to have a wheel gun like this. "Ruining" a revolver is no worse than the thousand of early 1911's that guys put sights, ribs and all manner of aftermarket parts to make them competitive. Not everyone is a collector and some of these guns actually get shot. I appreciate both sides of that coin and built/ruined a lot of wheel guns myself over the years. Some of which actually got worn out from putting bullets down range. There are a lot of shooting games that require gun mods and lot of folks like to shoot their guns.
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Old 09-18-2021, 04:11 PM
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THis one I built for a hunting revolver. Interchangeable front sights on a 7.5 inch barrel turned from a Douglas barrel blank. Started life as a Mod 28 but some how ended up as a .44 mag.
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[QUOTE=Erocksmash;141257409]Thats a really nice gun, I love the idea of a 38/357 gun and most of these PPC guns are .38 only...

This would be over the top for me knowing I could blast 357 out of it..

I think you might reconsider shooting mags out of a PPC gun. Most were built with a 1in10 twist for best accuracy with wadcutters. Those twist rates can sometimes cause havoc with higher pressure loads. I have seen more than a few PPC guns with split forcing cones due to shooting mag loads.
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Old 09-18-2021, 08:57 PM
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Or kick the rib off and throw it at your head.

Looking at the OP's Clark, I have not before seen a barrel with pedestals for the rib. I assume that was done to allow a slightly lighter barrel to suit the customer's preferences on weight and balance.
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[QUOTE=swagmeister;141257697]Clark Custom Guns is located in Princeton, Louisiana, not Pikeville. I have been a customer at Clark's for about 40 years starting when they were first located in a log cabin in Keithville, Louisiana. Skeeter Skelton and Bill Jordan would show up there frequently to talk with Jim, Sr. and the rest of the crew. The shop is 15 miles from my home. You have a great gun that was most likely worked on by Tommy Bison or Jim Clark, Jr. [QUOTE]


The OP’s PPC revolver is a shooter. The value is readily determined by visiting the Clark Custom Guns website. Today someone ordering a base PPC revolver built on a current Model 10 will pay more than $1400 out the door. The OP paid less than 40% for a revolver every bit as “shootable”. Would a competitor pay say $1000?
All Clark guns are also collectable, some more than others. Jimmie Clark opened his first shop in Shreveport in 1950. Swagmeister and I have lived in Clark Custom Guns country for several decades. We know that any Clark gun made in Shreveport was personally built by James Clark Sr. The so-called Shreveport marked guns are easily identified and most sought by knowledgeable collectors. Local prices for basic Shreveport 1911 bullseye guns in good to very good condition were at least $1500 a few years ago when Gold Cups in the same condition were $1000 or so. Keithville marked guns are also collectable. But everything else being equal, a collector will choose a Shreveport gun over a Keithville one. I currently own two 45 caliber Shreveport 1911 bullseye guns and one Keithville Custom Combat 1911 in 38 Super. I shoot, I collect.
Princeton guns like the OP’s PPC are generally perceived to be current production. Are any also collectable? Well, I’m always looking for another Clark gun. I notice there are two new 1911 bullseye guns in the Clark showroom in Princeton as I write. One is a 38 Super the other is a 9mm. Both are optics ready, both are beautifully finished, and both have been tested in a machine rest targeted at 50 yards. Clearly shooters as each target clearly shows that the first ten shots group within 1”. Is either one worth $4000 to a collector?
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