Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Notices

S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 3-Screw PINNED Barrel SWING-OUT Cylinder Hand Ejectors


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-26-2021, 06:36 PM
Vince from MO Vince from MO is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MO USA
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default K22-Need Information

Over the week-end, I bought a K22 and need some information. This one is, (in my opinion) 95-98%. Serial #K 5619xx, no box, tools, or papers and original grips have been replaced with after-market cheap targets. Would like to know if it needs diamond magnas? Also, does it need the gold box and what tools if I run across a set? Can you tell me approximately what year it was manufactured? Right now, I can't take pictures.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Vince
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-26-2021, 07:33 PM
PeteC PeteC is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 654
Likes: 979
Liked 792 Times in 351 Posts
Default

That serial number, if six digits, corresponds to 1964, per the standard catalog of Smith & Wesson, 4th Edition, Appendix B, page 489:

1964: K555000-K605877

Whether it "needs" Diamond Magnas is up to you, but I put target stocks on my Target Model 17, because they feel better in my hand, and target stocks were not serialized to the frame. Magnas would not have matched the s/n, even if I could find them for a price... having said that, check the classifieds,

Last edited by PeteC; 09-26-2021 at 07:34 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 09-26-2021, 07:43 PM
Golphin's Avatar
Golphin Golphin is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Micanopy Florida
Posts: 1,371
Likes: 5,578
Liked 2,151 Times in 834 Posts
Default

I think that S&W stopped using the diamond style magnas around 1968 so if made before then it came with diamond style magnas. As far as the box I have no idea.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-26-2021, 07:55 PM
153's Avatar
153 153 is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 856
Likes: 1,124
Liked 1,916 Times in 416 Posts
Default

My K-22 was made in 1963 and came in a blue box with SAT, cleaning rod with slotted and mop tips and an instruction sheet.

Grips were diamond magna as mentioned above.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:16 PM
.38SuperMan .38SuperMan is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 661
Likes: 265
Liked 1,141 Times in 377 Posts
Default

I recently purchased a 1955 vintage K22 with Diamond magnas. The number embossed on the inside of one panel is different than the serial number of the gun. The cylinder serial number and grip frame numbers match. Should the embossed number on the stocks match the frame serial number.

Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:19 PM
Pine_Worker's Avatar
Pine_Worker Pine_Worker is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1,208
Likes: 1,961
Liked 1,298 Times in 560 Posts
Default

Pictures are always good for us to drool over.
__________________
Pine_Worker
NRA Life Member
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:20 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,192
Likes: 2,277
Liked 17,169 Times in 5,146 Posts
Default

K552xxx, a Model 17-2, shipped 6/64
K563xxx, a Model 17-2, shipped 11/64
__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:21 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,192
Likes: 2,277
Liked 17,169 Times in 5,146 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by .38SuperMan View Post
I recently purchased a 1955 vintage K22 with Diamond magnas. The number embossed on the inside of one panel is different than the serial number of the gun. The cylinder serial number and grip frame numbers match. Should the embossed number on the stocks match the frame serial number.

Thanks!
For that year, yes.
__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:23 PM
bamabiker bamabiker is offline
Member
K22-Need Information  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Near Birmingham
Posts: 6,829
Likes: 4,207
Liked 6,817 Times in 1,886 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by .38SuperMan View Post
I recently purchased a 1955 vintage K22 with Diamond magnas. The number embossed on the inside of one panel is different than the serial number of the gun. The cylinder serial number and grip frame numbers match. Should the embossed number on the stocks match the frame serial number.

Thanks!
Yes they should match if original to the gun.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:30 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,192
Likes: 2,277
Liked 17,169 Times in 5,146 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vince from MO View Post
Over the week-end, I bought a K22 and need some information. This one is, (in my opinion) 95-98%. Serial #K 5619xx, no box, tools, or papers and original grips have been replaced with after-market cheap targets. Would like to know if it needs diamond magnas? Also, does it need the gold box and what tools if I run across a set? Can you tell me approximately what year it was manufactured? Right now, I can't take pictures.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Vince

S&W began phasing out the gold boxes in the mid to late 1950's but they were used until around 1965. Keep checking the sale areas on this forum and also gunbroker and gunsinternational.


I picked up a very nice gold box for my 1955 .38/44 Heavy duty from this forum last year.


__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:32 PM
.38SuperMan .38SuperMan is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 661
Likes: 265
Liked 1,141 Times in 377 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine_Worker View Post
Pictures are always good for us to drool over.
Hereís one. Very sweet shooter! Itís everything I expected and more. Now Iíd like a K38.

Thanks for the info. It really doesnít matter to me since Iím not a collector. I just wanted a nice example to shoot.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BE3D3E88-5BDB-4573-9873-D22E6BCDB0A6.jpg (39.8 KB, 34 views)

Last edited by .38SuperMan; 09-26-2021 at 08:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 09-26-2021, 08:36 PM
Targets Guy's Avatar
Targets Guy Targets Guy is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,192
Likes: 2,277
Liked 17,169 Times in 5,146 Posts
Default

K-22 (1947)
exxonmobil near me


K-38 (1951)



Now I am saving up for the K-32. Wish I was a lot younger.
__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 09-26-2021, 09:38 PM
JH1951's Avatar
JH1951 JH1951 is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: South-Central PA
Posts: 3,314
Likes: 15,767
Liked 4,847 Times in 1,632 Posts
Default

I suggest a 1964 date as well..... Most boxes from that era appear to be the blue two-piece box with a solid border on the top, "Smith & Wesson Inc. Springfield Mass", with the date April 15, 1955 inside the lid. (I can 'bracket' your serial number with the blue boxes.) The gold picture boxes seem to have been phased out around 1953/1954, in favor of the blue boxes. I have also seen a few 'charcoal' colored ones appear, but not many.
Now, for what it is worth, S&W seems to have never thrown out anything, so it is possible that some old gold boxes may have shipped later as mentioned above - just I have not seen one.
__________________
Proud NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-26-2021, 10:21 PM
MTC(SS)Ret's Avatar
MTC(SS)Ret MTC(SS)Ret is offline
US Veteran
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Nassau Cnty, FL
Posts: 340
Likes: 88
Liked 486 Times in 190 Posts
Default

My recently purchased 17-2, serial #K6589**, believed last K frame of 1965. Came with these non-relieved target stocks, no serial number inside. I have heard these stocks were not used by the factory after 1958 or thereabouts so I don't know how they came to be on this gun.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 17.1.jpg (174.4 KB, 22 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 09-26-2021, 10:30 PM
PeteC PeteC is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 654
Likes: 979
Liked 792 Times in 351 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JH1951 View Post
I... I have also seen a few 'charcoal' colored ones appear, but not many. ...
I believe this is an example of what one of the charcoal grey boxes look like, after a lot of fading. Sadly, it just got thrown in with a much later Model 17-2 which eventually landed in my hands. (Posted same pics before)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg K22-Masterpiece.jpg (61.8 KB, 27 views)
File Type: jpg K22-Masterpiece-box2.jpg (84.7 KB, 23 views)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-26-2021, 10:54 PM
Vince from MO Vince from MO is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MO USA
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Thanks to all that posted! It is great to be able to find out so much in such a short time.! Now, I always have "buyers remorse" so assuming that 95% condition is about right, what should it be worth?

Thanks, Vince
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-27-2021, 01:10 AM
austintexas austintexas is offline
SWCA Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 804
Likes: 51
Liked 761 Times in 308 Posts
Default boxes

I have a blue solid border box in my box pile, It for a 17-2 serial # k 659236 on it. As for target gripped M-17s , If they shipped with the target grips they came in a box that was taller, If you put a target stock equipped in a regular box it wont seat all the way down. I have both styles in my box stash.
SWCA 892
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-27-2021, 08:48 AM
bananaman's Avatar
bananaman bananaman is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hillsdale, Mi.
Posts: 6,913
Likes: 5,523
Liked 5,660 Times in 2,535 Posts
Default

My Model 17-2 shipped in 1964. K5622xx. Was an online purchase. Came with rubber booties. Found correct era Magnas for it. They are in great shape. My gun is a little earlier than yours. Great shooter. Enjoy yours! Bob
Attached Images
File Type: jpg pix203380106.jpg (49.3 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg pix675561862.jpg (79.7 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg 003.jpg (130.2 KB, 13 views)
File Type: jpg 002.jpg (146.4 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg 005.jpg (137.4 KB, 9 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #19  
Old 09-27-2021, 08:55 AM
bananaman's Avatar
bananaman bananaman is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hillsdale, Mi.
Posts: 6,913
Likes: 5,523
Liked 5,660 Times in 2,535 Posts
Default

I like to have correct era stocks for my guns, but that doesn't mean something else isn't better to shoot with. I never use rubber though. Bob
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-27-2021, 01:05 PM
Green Frog Green Frog is offline
Member
K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information K22-Need Information  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central VA
Posts: 7,228
Likes: 1,070
Liked 6,928 Times in 3,219 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vince from MO View Post
Thanks to all that posted! It is great to be able to find out so much in such a short time.! Now, I always have "buyers remorse" so assuming that 95% condition is about right, what should it be worth?

Thanks, Vince
It's hard to put a solid price on any used S&W these days. It seems like prices, especially on older and desirable pieces like yours, are all over the place.

I bought a 1948 vintage K22 at auction a little over 10 years ago. It was about a 90% gun and I felt good about getting it then for $425. I wouldn't take much less than twice that for it now. It came with all matching numbers (incl grips) but no box, tools, or docs.

If you are going to keep it and shoot it, the only person who needs to be satisfied with the price is you. As for the grips, since the originals are gone, you can put a pair of period correct grips ("wrong" number) on it, a set of period correct but un-numbered target grips, or whatever aftermarket grips fit you. Remember, some of those period grips from the well known grip makers are now bringing hundreds of dollars and enhance rather than detract from the gun's value.

Froggie

PS Since they didn't come with the gun, I don't think I would mess with trying to get a "correct" box and accessories for it. A gun is only original once, and you're fooling yourself if you try to make it all original again.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
K-22 information Kwas S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 14 10-25-2014 12:16 PM
looking for information on a old gun brandon.mayfield The Lounge 3 06-28-2013 03:41 PM
13-4 information help plz SGT_Kramer S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 12 06-04-2013 10:52 AM
New and Looking for information Kayla S&W Antiques 6 04-30-2013 08:21 PM
Looking for information concerning GLV Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 0 04-25-2013 07:50 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:09 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)