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Old 04-13-2009, 03:02 PM
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I've talked to gunsmiths who said that they have had to repair S&W revolvers with hammer mounted firing pins where the owner was dry firing them.

Is this true? Would it be detrimental to dry fire such a Smith?

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I've talked to gunsmiths who said that they have had to repair S&W revolvers with hammer mounted firing pins where the owner was dry firing them.

Is this true? Would it be detrimental to dry fire such a Smith?

Thanx so much.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:09 PM
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As far as revolvers go, the S&W factory indicates that all revolvers, with the exception of rimfires (.22cal.) can be dry-fired without ill effect. My understanding is that you can dry fire a rimfire revolver on occasion, but that it should be the exception, rather than the rule.

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Old 04-13-2009, 03:11 PM
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Truly excessive dry-firing in the tens of thousands will damage the hammer nose and/or the recoil plate where the firing pin comes out. Occasional snapping will not hurt it. I make it a practice to ease the hammer down using my offhand thumb when dry-firing.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:13 PM
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I have dry fired some of my guns a thousand times or more to smooth them out. I'm sure others here have dry fired there's even more.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:37 PM
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I would just go get some snap caps if it were me.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:39 PM
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When I was shooting PPC for many years I dry fired thousands of times with my hammer mounted PPC gun with no problems. I still dry fire a lot to stay proficient.

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Old 04-13-2009, 03:42 PM
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I have dry fired some of my guns a thousand times or more to smooth them out. I'm sure others here have dry fired there's even more.
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When SW switched to the frame mounted pins, I called SW factory and asked one of their gunsmiths if dry firing was OK. He said you would have to do it millions of times to hurt them. I was concerned because the Cylinder + Slide firing pins are known to break, and warn against dry firing. I have not heard of SW pins breaking.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:28 PM
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If it's a problem I haven't encountered it and I do a lot of dry firing with both frame and hammer mounted firing pins. I use snap caps in my .22s, nothing in my centerfire guns.
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I have dry fired the **** out of a few of mine with no problems, but snap caps are cheap insurance if you are worried
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:56 PM
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I've talked to gunsmiths who said that they have had to repair S&W revolvers with hammer mounted firing pins where the owner was dry firing them.

Is this true? Would it be detrimental to dry fire such a Smith?

Thanx so much.
Dry firing will not harm the revolver. It is a great way to smooth the action and get used to the trigger. The S&W instruction sheet used to recommend it. It read something to the effect of "practice dry shooting with empty revolver," or words to that effect. The factory web site still recommends it, except for rimfires.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:36 PM
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The factory even used to supply a dry fire practice target with their guns.

Here is what their current website says about it-

Can I dry fire my S&W handgun?
Q: Can I dry fire my Smith & Wesson?

A: Yes, except for the .22 caliber pistols which includes models 22A, 22S, 422, 2206, 2214, 2213 and 41.

.22 caliber revolvers such as models 17, 43, 63, 317 and 617 also should not be dry fired.

Q: Why can't I dry fire my .22 pistol or revolver?

A: Dry firing a S&W .22 pistol or revolver will cause damage to the firing pin.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:55 PM
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Q: Why can't I dry fire my .22 pistol or revolver?

A: Dry firing a S&W .22 pistol or revolver will cause damage to the firing pin.
Well, if dry firing a model 17 will harm it, and the new versions of S&W revolvers have frame mounted firing pins (like the model 17); couldn't one extrapolate that dry firing frame mounted firing pins is not good for the gun?
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:04 PM
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Q: Why can't I dry fire my .22 pistol or revolver?

A: Dry firing a S&W .22 pistol or revolver will cause damage to the firing pin.
Well, if dry firing a model 17 will harm it, and the new versions of S&W revolvers have frame mounted firing pins (like the model 17); couldn't one extrapolate that dry firing frame mounted firing pins is not good for the gun?
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I believe the difference here is the fact the Model 17 is a rimfire vs. a centerfire. The rimfire, with a chamber which is still recessed, there is a slim chance of the firing pin striking the chamber rim, that can't happen with a centerfire.
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Old 04-16-2009, 09:02 PM
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I believe the difference here is the fact the Model 17 is a rimfire vs. a centerfire. The rimfire, with a chamber which is still recessed, there is a slim chance of the firing pin striking the chamber rim, that can't happen with a centerfire.
Correct. It is not the frame mounting of the FP that makes the difference. It is the possibility of the FP striking the rim of the charge hole on the cylinder. That obviously cannot happen with the centerfire. It is not supposed to happen with the rimfire either because of the stop built into the FP, but I guess the tolerances can be such that it could occasionally happen, so S&W does not recommend it with the current guns.
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If it's a problem I haven't encountered it and I do a lot of dry firing with both frame and hammer mounted firing pins. I use snap caps in my .22s, nothing in my centerfire guns.
Can someone point me to a source of 22 snap caps?

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Old 04-17-2009, 09:14 AM
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Can someone point me to a source of 22 snap caps?
I believe that Brownells, and Midway both sell them. Check their websites.
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:41 AM
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Pachmayr makes .22 rimfire snap caps. I bought mine online, either from Brownells or directly from Pachmayr.
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Pachmayr makes .22 rimfire snap caps. I bought mine online, either from Brownells or directly from Pachmayr.
Thanks and thanks to Tim. Until this thread I didn't know such a thing existed. I need to practice double action with my M17 and this is it. Great!

Thanks Bob
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Back in the 1950ís I bought a very old .22 revolver that was an unusual name brand to me. It seemed okay until I looked closely at the back of the cylinder and saw the deep (peen) marks from the firing pin striking each cylinder hole with no shell in place. The cartridges were a problem to load and extract until I removed the bur in the chamber. The dips were narrow but deep enough I was surprised it fired okay. The fired shells were not only indented on the outside but bent downward on the lower-side to form a wrinkle when looking sideways.

I read that some semi auto .22 pistols and rifles have safety pins that stop the firing pin before it hitís the barrel when empty. I dislike having to leave a 22 semi auto cocked in long storage so consider it nice when okay to snap them off. I have read that sometimes a safety pin gets broken or someone cleaning gun forgets to put one back in.

Sometimes I have put a small piece of writing tablet paper on the front of the chamber to see if the firing pin smashes through the paper with one or two hammed drops.

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Finally I decided to use a fired shell rotated slightly past the previous indentation. That worked very well for releasing hammer spring tension for storing a hammerless semi auto 22. (A purist would never leave an empty shell in a chamber but I am not a purist) So I also began using fired shells to dry fire my 22 revolver. Each time I clicked on all six chambers I opened it up and rotated each shell slightly more than the width of previous indentation. I did not have the type cylinder that was cut inward to surround the head of the shell, but I doubt it would make a difference.

In this day and age of lawsuits no manufacture would ever recommend dry firing on empty rim-fires so I guess I also will not recommend it either. Also never drink alcohol or talk on telephone when dry-firing unless your kids are grown, you are over 50 years old, and can ignore women really well.
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I have broken 2 hammer noses (hammer mounted firing pin) on my Model 19 dry firing. Once with snap caps and once without snap caps. It should be noted this was while doing crazy fast border line abusive dry firing (yeah I know, don't say it). I rarely dry fire now except very few slow firers.
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The benefit I see in snap caps is not so much protection of the firing pin as more closely approximating the weight of a loaded cylinder when practicing double action. (Yes, I know that changes as soon as the first round is fired, but simulation has its limits) The aluminum A-Zoom caps are pretty good, but even better are deprimed cases with the primer pocket filled flush with silicone gasket-goo and an appropriate weight projectile (seated over inert material the same weight as your preferred powder charge if 5 or 6 grains makes a difference to you). They are also good for reloading and ball-and-dummy drills.
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I got a model 396 a while back and I have dry fired it some but, am wondering if these alloy framed guns with frame mounted firing pins might have problems with extended dry firing. A hard steel firing pin getting smacked into an softer alloy might deform the frame area. It kind of bugs me that I get a tink noise when I do dry fire. Think I am going to avoid it with this gun and make some snap caps for it.
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As far as revolvers go, the S&W factory indicates that all revolvers, with the exception of rimfires (.22cal.) can be dry-fired without ill effect. My understanding is that you can dry fire a rimfire revolver on occasion, but that it should be the exception, rather than the rule.

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Never dry fire any rimfire, even with empty cases. If you hit the a point that has been contacted, you can still damage the chamber or firing pin.
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#4-8 x 7/8 in. Yellow Ribbed Plastic Anchors (100-Piece)

get these at any good hardware store. Under 4 bucks for 100. check the size first but I think this is the one that fits nearly perfect in revolvers (.22).
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Small yellow plastic dry wall anchors(size 3?) make perfectly good, cheap 22lr snap caps.
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why not save your money and just use a fired, empty .22 case?
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