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Here is the photo of my 64-2 DPD marked gun.
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Nice find. They seem to have put some nice factory stocks on some of the 64s, I've noticed.

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hi guys , i just bought a Gould & Goodrich flap holster for my nickeled 10-5, I am assembling a duty belt , cuff case and ammo pouche for my Detroit police revolver, did the Detroit police use silver or brass hardware ??
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hi guys , i just bought a Gould & Goodrich flap holster for my nickeled 10-5, I am assembling a duty belt , cuff case and ammo pouche for my Detroit police revolver, did the Detroit police use silver or brass hardware ??
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My guess would be silver (nickel) for Officers, Brass for Supervisors on up.
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hi guys , i just bought a Gould & Goodrich flap holster for my nickeled 10-5, I am assembling a duty belt , cuff case and ammo pouche for my Detroit police revolver, did the Detroit police use silver or brass hardware ??
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Robbt,
I have a retired Detroit PD Officer on my staff. She is married to a retired DPD officer as well. She tells me her husband has his old gunbelt. I asked her if she would either bring it in so I could take pics, or let her take pics and I will get them to you.
That should help you a bit.
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hi sheriffoconee, that would be great will try to take a picture of my sixgun and the new old stock holster and post it this weekend , many thanks, robbt
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There are so many wonderful old revolvers in this thread! I want to own several of them, So many great examples!
I would never have guessed when I started this post way back on 9-6-08 that there would be so many DPD guns showing up in this one Forum!
Wonderful! ! !
I really want a snub DPD firearm,
Maye someone here will PM me with one they want to sell??
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Re: Brass or Nickle, in '68 the belts being issued had nickle hardware for the officers. Sometime prior to this hardware was brass.

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I just picked up my Detroit Police Pre 10 today at Cabela's in Dundee Michigan.
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hi guys , i just bought a Gould & Goodrich flap holster for my nickeled 10-5, I am assembling a duty belt , cuff case and ammo pouche for my Detroit police revolver, did the Detroit police use silver or brass hardware ??
[ color of the snaps and buckle ??]

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As I recall it was silver for PO's and Sgt.'s and Brass or some other gold colored plating for Lt.'s and up. PO's and Sgt. badges were silver. Lt.'s and up were "gold". Also, the cap braid or cord on the PO's hat was black. Sgt.'s was gray and Lt's and up had some sort of gold braid or metal band.

There were a lot of flap style holsters in the 70's and in the 80's various low bid stuff. In the 80's, 12 round loops were issued for most guys. Skinny guys got 6 round loops. Prior to the 80's a lot of guys carried dump pouches. I don't know if they were issued or not. Cuff cases were issued but a lot of guys I knew carried drop loops. Belts were plain black, no basketweave. Also, DPD had large belt loops in the pants. Your issued gun belt also held up your pants unless you wore a garrison belt with keepers. No keepers were issued. Every time you changed pants, you had to disassemble your gun belts and put the components on as you went through the pants loops with the belt. PREP (it stood for "Personal Radio Equipped Police" if anyone wondered...they weren't "Walkie Talkies) "hangers" were issued. These were like key ring hangers on your belt. They were a leather loop that slid onto your gun belt. From the leather loop hung a quick release type hook of the sort on the end of a dog leash. You pulled back on the "latch" with your thumb to open the J-hook, if that makes sense. These were worn in pairs and they hooked onto either side of a leather PREP case than hung via the hooks on your belt. The PREP radio then went into that case. It was cumbersome and something right out of the horse cavalry of the 1800's (if they would have had radios). Sometime in the 80's, some bright guy invented a PREP clip. This was a spring steel affair that the PREP slid into and hooked onto the gun belt. It held the PREP much more securely and higher on the belt. I still use that type of clip today. I don't know when they got rid of the shoulder strap but I used to see a lot of old timers and motormen wearing them in the 80's. I always thought they were supposed to go over the shoulder OPPOSITE your gun to take some of the weight of the gun, but I saw a lot of guys wearing them on the same shoulder as their gun to..what? Take the weight of their swords or saber? Not sure what that was all about. Would have been nice to have one of those holding up my 25-2. Would have been cool to carry a saber instead of a PREP though too.

Hat trivia: The braids on the front of the caps were functional. They were knotted and tied so you could pull the knots together and get "slack" in the braid to pull them over the visor and down and turn it into a "chin strap". The ends were fastened to the sides of the hat via buttons. We once lined up in roll call with all of our "chin straps" fastened between our lips and chins like some kind of Prussians. The boss wasn't amused.

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Aerojoe, on page 7 of this thread you posted a pic of a nickel .32 Colt Police *** that was a Detroit PD gun. Can I get a picture of the DPD marking? I just bought an old .32 Police *** mfg. 1917 I think (one year before yours there) and I just noticed engraving on the butt that says "DPD No 4". Is this a Detroit gun and what does the No 4 mean? Thanks for your help.
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Oh, one more thing. I don't know if it shows in the pics, but the cylinder on this gun looks like it was fire blued. Odd because I thought that Colt stopped fire bluing the small parts circa 1912, and I didn't know that cylinders were ever fire blued, only triggers, hammers and such. Any thoughts?
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Aerojoe, on page 7 of this thread you posted a pic of a nickel .32 Colt Police *** that was a Detroit PD gun. Can I get a picture of the DPD marking? I just bought an old .32 Police *** mfg. 1917 I think (one year before yours there) and I just noticed engraving on the butt that says "DPD No 4". Is this a Detroit gun and what does the No 4 mean?
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I would say its not a Detroit gun but not just because it is marked DPD as alot of early guns were only marked DPD like my Merwin Hulbert and confiscated undercover guns had a C#### hand engraved.

I would say no because it is not marked Detroit Police like other Police Positives that would be in the same order time. I had a earlier Police Positive from I believe 1916-17 and it was marked like my current police positive.

The gun is not nickel plated like 90% of all Detroit Revolvers were. It is my understanding there were only not nickel plated during war time and when they needed guns quicker then the nickel plated guns could be gotten. My earlier Police Positive was also nickel.

Finally because it is marked number 4. Now i am not sure anybody actually understands Detroit's system for numbering the guns. I have been told every time a new "brand" ie Colt, S&W, Glock was used it started at 1. That means since they were already issuing colts when this gun is made it wouldn't be number 4.

The last part is sometimes not true because I have seen colt auto's that were bought and numbered 1 - 50 even when they were already issuing colts revolvers. But those were test guns so that might explain that. Somebody also screwed up on the glocks and started at number 1 again on the 3rd gen glocks. Detroit sent the guns back and glock made new frames with a DPD1 serial number however the slides and barrels are still marked just DPD. So even though I own the first Detroit glock serial number 00001DPD there is a 00001DPD1 glock 22 somewhere. I am surprised to no have seen it up for sale yet!!!

FYI there are said to be multiple M&P 40's marked #1 the real #1 went to James Barren and I herd another was made for Warren Evans however the M&P's stock numbers are NOT the guns serial number like the glocks were they are just engraved on the slide.
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Nice snub John. Here's mine shipped February of 1948. DPD inventory #9289. Also matching grips. Also bought it from the same place as you did.
We are going to have to do some 25, 50 and 100 yard shooting with these at my place.
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Nice snub John. Here's mine shipped February of 1948. DPD inventory #9289. Also matching grips. Also bought it from the same place as you did.
We are going to have to do some 25, 50 and 100 yard shooting with these at my place.
Sounds good. Let me know when you are ready.
Are you sure you can still see a target at 100 yds?
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hi guys , who made the flap holsters for the Detriot Pd , I have seen Gould & Goodrich and Don Hume ??
did anyone else make them ???
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Nice finds and photos. There's another Detroit Police marksmanship badge on eBay right now. Do a search for "Detroit Police Sharpshooter Revolver mini badge" (I have no relation to seller, interest in sale, etc.).
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I saw a Utube video that was taken driving through parts of Detroit with abandoned houses. The weirdest thing was the large number of boats sitting in the yards and driveways of empty houses. The boats were of course stripped of motors, etc. It was as if all of a sudden the high paying auto jobs left and then the unemployed who could no longer afford the house or the boat left town leaving the boat to be repossessed but it never was worth the bank coming to pick up. And the locals don't seem to want to steal the boat either. If manufacturing jobs continue to be exported other cities may suffer the same fate.

On a happier thought, I enjoyed reading this long thread on D.P.D. guns.
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My Detroit Police Chief of Detective Badge made around 1900. I was told that there are only about 5 Detroit Police badges made like this. This is the only Chief of Deceive Badge of this design (to date). What makes it different is the ridge around the badge is a separate piece that is molded to the badge. It is 10 K gold filled and is most likely made by Weyhing Brothers in Detroit. This badge was made before the makers stamped names and gold content.

When I received it I was told the chief that retired in 1920 gave it to the Chief that retired in 1930. I have had it about 33/34 years.
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I doubt that is an actual Detroit call box. Detroit never had that style of call box except on a few freeways. Those boxes rotted out because they are aluminum and the salt destroyed them. The ones they did have in this style did not have the tiny gamewell logo at the top.

I know the show you went to in madison heights and I am pretty sure who you bought that box from. The table right when you walked in the door to the right? He sells these boxes all the time on ebay. He likes to give a brass DPD marked key with the boxes too.

If you would have said you were looking for a Detroit box. I have restored a bunch of boxes for po's and have every box Detroit used from the very rare "1895" box to the "telephone" box only used in the 9th precinct. So I could have sent you in the right direction or sold you one of my extra boxes I come across.
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I doubt that is an actual Detroit call box. Detroit never had that style of call box except on a few freeways. Those boxes rotted out because they are aluminum and the salt destroyed them. The ones they did have in this style did not have the tiny gamewell logo at the top.

I know the show you went to in madison heights and I am pretty sure who you bought that box from. The table right when you walked in the door to the right? He sells these boxes all the time on ebay. He likes to give a brass DPD marked key with the boxes too.

If you would have said you were looking for a Detroit box. I have restored a bunch of boxes for po's and have every box Detroit used from the very rare "1895" box to the "telephone" box only used in the 9th precinct. So I could have sent you in the right direction or sold you one of my extra boxes I come across.
Well you are wrong on all accounts. I personally know the Officer I purchased the call box from (not the guy on the right when you walk in). It came from the area of the Southfield Freeway, and Grand River.
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Well sorry figured it was the retired sterling heights guy you got it from.It looked alot like the boxes always on ebay. But like i said every DPD cop I talked to that used call boxes has never seen these in Detroit other then a couple on the freeways.
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Just saw this thread because I bought a DPD 10-5 snubby in nickel last Sunday.

I don't know how to post pictures but it is VGC and looks like many of the DPD nickel snubbies posted throughout this thread.

Just a tidbit: About 1.5 years ago the FFL I go to the most bought about 20 Colt Official Police revolvers from the Hamtramck, MI PD. (For those of you not familiar with the area, Hamtramck is a very small city in the middle of Detroit and surrounded geographically by Detroit city proper.)

They were getting rid of their inventory and they were made in 1956. They were standard 4" blued OP's and were all carried by patrolmen. They all had holster wear but were in proper timing, etc.

I bought three of them for a total of $750 and am very happy.

One is my bedstand gun, the second one, with the most wear, I rust blued and carry alot in the winter, and the last is more pristine and is in the safe. (But I shoot them all.)

The interesting thing is there are NO markings that they were ever issued to the Hamtramck PD. Why(?)......I have no idea.

ETA: Oh, I forgot to say the 10-5 snubby was issued to a homicide detective and he bought it from the PD when he retired.

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howdy , what the going price for a good clean nickel Detriot Pd 10-5 , 5 inch with over 95 % nickel and original numbered pc grips ????

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I was born in DeTROIT in the early 1950's, and it was a much different place than it has become today. It was Motor City long before it became Motown. I moved far away before the riots began but still have kin there.
The pics of the police revolvers are interesting to look at. Would like to get one for my collection, but don't know where to start. The handgun laws here in Colorado are a lot different than I remember Michigan's being. Any helpful hints or suggestions would be appreciated. Im in process of renewing my C&R. Im sure many of these would be C&R eligible. Anyway.. Thanks... Dun
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Nice call box WhiteCoyote. Identical to the ones I used in the late 70s while walking a beat in the 7th Precinct. The last one I used was at E Grand Blvd and Gratiot across from a Coney Island where I ate on occassion.
I actually miss those days. Walking a beat is very interesting and keeps you more in touch with the community.

I used to hear a lot of "Ben Turpin" stories from the old timers in the neighborhood while walking.

Ben Turpin was one of Detroit's first black officers and is a legend on Detroit's east side. He carried two 45 caliber revolvers and was to have made his own bullet proof vest from a piece of boiler plate with leather straps. Naturally he worked one of the highest crime areas in Detroit, that being the old "Black Bottom" of "Paradise Valley". Other wise known as Hastings street and surrounding area. This I believe was part of the old "Hunt Street Precinct" which later became precinct #7.
Story goes that he actually killed one of the Purple Gang. He also ran a youth baseball league, much like the current day police athletic leagues.

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This is a great looking badge, and you are correct about the age and maker. I am a long time DPD badge collector, and would love to add this to my collection. If you ever decide to let it go, please consider contacting me first as I will surely make you a very fair and reasonable offer, and it would join perhaps the largest DPD badge collection around. Bob
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My Detroit Police Chief of Detective Badge made around 1900. I was told that there are only about 5 Detroit Police badges made like this. This is the only Chief of Deceive Badge of this design (to date). What makes it different is the ridge around the badge is a separate piece that is molded to the badge. It is 10 K gold filled and is most likely made by Weyhing Brothers in Detroit. This badge was made before the makers stamped names and gold content.

When I received it I was told the chief that retired in 1920 gave it to the Chief that retired in 1930. I have had it about 33/34 years.[/QUOTE]
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An interesting artical.
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OK, I'll put up my new to me model 10-5. Anyone have a clue on the manufacture date? Serial #D269474. I know the grips are not correct, I just like target grips better. My dad retired from DPD in 1996 with 35 on, I think he will like the memento. He hasn't seen it yet, but will very soon....

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A little nostalgia from nova printex. I bet you won't find these at the typical police collector shows...or wold you?



This has nothing to do with Detroit.....But shortly after this photo was taken, I thought I was going get to witness an actual caning. The guy in the hat tried to sell me some weed and his sister on a back alley in Nassau. So I snitched on him to the Bahamian police....Alas, it must take more to get a caning than dope peddling and pimping. The very polite policeman is carrying a piece of cane about 36 inches long with a metal band on one end. No gun, just the cane.





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The gun that won the West (side). East side too! During efforts to suppress the "urban rebellion", cops didn't appreciate having to wear white helmets which drew fire to their noggins, hence the efforts at ghetto expedient camouflage pictured here.

Here we have a "come as you are" gun. Another interesting thing about these pictures: No name tags. Try to put down a riot now without name tags and audio and video 24/7.

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Dscampbell,

Thanks for the date look-up.

Max Law,

GREAT pics!!! Got any more?
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Shotgun in picture is an 870 Remington.
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i just bought a 1970 .38 model 10-5 marked Detroit police if u are still looking for one
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I've seen a few on gunbroker in the past and am currently looking for a Detroit Police marked gun.

i have one available if you are still looking it is a 1970 .38 special model10-5 5 in barrel holds 6 and is marked detroit police
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I don't have one, but I want one!
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Are you sure about that? I have, or had, an unissued, DPD-marked 10-7. Nickel 5".
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Don't own a PD marked gun but have my Dad's old model 10-5 4" pencil barrel unmarked duty gun. Up here in the wilderness that's called "New England" we don't seem to mark our guns like the big city does. I do find these old PD gun threads most interesting though.

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What are those Detroit Police Department marked 5: Nickle plated S&W 10s in the gray box UNISSUED are bringing these days. I have 4 of them unfired & unissued in their boxes plus one that is a shooter. Have seriously concidered selling a couple after New Years. I know the one I shoot a lot is one great shooter.
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What are those Detroit Police Department marked 5: Nickle plated S&W 10s in the gray box UNISSUED are bringing these days. I have 4 of them unfired & unissued in their boxes plus one that is a shooter. Have seriously concidered selling a couple after New Years. I know the one I shoot a lot is one great shooter.
I bought 5 of them a few years ago for about $300.00 each. I offered them to sale to some cops for the price I paid plus shipping and FFL fee and sold a few and many old guys balked that I was trying to take advantage of them. I thought it was a good price. Two of them had sequential DPD numbers.
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A little nostalgia from nova printex. I bet you won't find these at the typical police collector shows...or wold you?

This has nothing to do with Detroit.....But shortly after this photo was taken, I thought I was going get to witness an actual caning. The guy in the hat tried to sell me some weed and his sister on a back alley in Nassau. So I snitched on him to the Bahamian police....Alas, it must take more to get a caning than dope peddling and pimping. The very polite policeman is carrying a piece of cane about 36 inches long with a metal band on one end. No gun, just the cane.





The gun that won the West (side). East side too! During efforts to suppress the "urban rebellion", cops didn't appreciate having to wear white helmets which drew fire to their noggins, hence the efforts at ghetto expedient camouflage pictured here.

Here we have a "come as you are" gun. Another interesting thing about these pictures: No name tags. Try to put down a riot now without name tags and audio and video 24/7.
It's possible that model 94 is a DPD issue. I grew up in Detroit but at the time I was eligible to join the police department, 1973, there was huge racial tension in the City, as the police chief was running for mayor against a state senator named Coleman Young. Anyway, I ended up in Indianapolis, where about 25 years later I met a Glock instructor who was retired DPD. We had a great afternoon talking about my home town, and swapping stories. He spent a number of years on the firearms training unit, and told me of the first day he spent on the unit. He was deep into the sub basement of the Headquarters building downtown and happened upon racks and racks of brand new Winchester Model 94 rifles, along with pallets of ammunition. Turns out the rifles and ammo had been placed there by the War Department during WWII. There was concern about the Nazis staging an invasion through Canada, and the thinking was that American citizens would be very familiar with the Model 94, so the government had stocked a number of police departments along the northern border with rifles and ammunition. My new friend told me when he retired from DPD in the early 90's the rifles and ammo were still there. Of course these would have been pre '64 Winchesters, and who knows what they would have been worth. I never heard another word about the fate of those fine rifles. Maybe they are still there, awaiting an invasion from the north.

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If I remember right Axel Foley ( Eddie Murphy) played a Detroit Cop & he carried a Browning Hi- Power.?
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Here's a bit of DPD nostalgia from the early 70s.
"Stop the robberies, enjoy safe streets.

I would love to get my mits on one of those DPD marked Winchester 94s.
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Here's a bit of DPD nostalgia from the early 70s.
"Stop the robberies, enjoy safe streets.

I would love to get my mits on one of those DPD marked Winchester 94s.
Quite a bit of controversy over that unit. If I recall, Coleman Young campaigned for mayor saying the first thing he would do was disband STRESS, and in fact he did.
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That's correct, he did. Detroit could use that unit today.
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