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Old 03-25-2008, 04:52 PM
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I have never owned a semi and have shot maybe 5 of them in my life.Revolvers just make sense to me.
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It brings out the "COWBOY" in me that has been there since I first started watching TV with Range Rider, Cisco Kid, Stagecoach Theatre, Lash Larue, Gene Autry, Hopalong Cassidy, and all the other character building men of the cinema.
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I too prefer the simplicy and reliability. Some additional reasons I strongly prefer revolvers:

1) A revolver is easier for me to deal with for day to day use. It is easy to load and unload. No need to worry about the slide of an auto perhaps pushing the bullet of the first cartridge back into the case. Easy to see at a glance that a revolver is loaded.

2) I shoot revolvers for fun and competition. Since 99% of the time at the range I'm shooting a S&W revolver, it just makes sense--at least for me--to also carry a S&W revolver and have one in my nightstand. Probably a mistake to switch to another platform when I use a particular one so much.

3) A revolver encourages dry-firing. I'm an old Bullseye shooter and a huge believer in lots and lots of dry firing. The SA trigger on a good revolver is such a joy in itself that it encourages you to dry fire the thing. And with a revolver, you can practice multiple shots or rapid fire by working the DA trigger. Hard to do that with an auto. But with a revolver, if you have ten spare minutes and a safe backstop, well.....dump the cartridges and do a bit of dryfiring!

4) The shape of a revolver, with its complex curves, just suits me better. A concealed revolver held next to my skin doesn't dig in and irritate me the way a boxy auto does. And revolvers tend to fit my hand much better, and therefore "point" much better.

5) I reload. I like having 100% of my brass go straight into a coffee can for the trip back to the reloading bench.

6) Accuracy. Sure, a .22 auto can be plenty accurate, and a target grade centerfire auto can also be accurate (at the expense of tight tolerances). But in my opinion, there is nothing quite like a good revolver for its combination of stone reliability and superb accuracy.
What he said, especially 4, 5, and 6.
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I grew up on the writing of Keith, Jordan, and Skelton. My father and grandfather taught me how to shoot and they were both revolver guys. Also when I was a young cop our issue gun was the S&W 681. Although I was forced to carry a Glock 17 for about 12 years I was never enamored with it. Now that I am back in the private sector I carry a revolver again and it drives the young guys nuts.
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I carry revolvers for the same reasons as many, simplicity & reliability. I also am faster out of the holster, and more accurate with my revolvers.

I shoot IDPA games, and I consistantly do better when shooting my 66, 681, and 19's, than I do with my HK's or S&W 3rd generation semi autos. Regards 18DAI.
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I carry a semi auto (Sig P-239 .40)
The advantage being 7+1 rounds of a good street caliber. The gun is light, slim, and carries well.

Sometimes i'll back it up with a 2" J frame .38 on the ankle.

Once in awhile i'll get the itch to carry my 4" stainless .357 revolver. Can only do it with heavy clothing on, during the cold months.

With that said, i carry the semi-auto 95% of the time with it being back up by the .38 prolly 30% of the time.
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I carry a semi auto (Sig P-239 .40)
The advantage being 7+1 rounds of a good street caliber. The gun is light, slim, and carries well.

Sometimes i'll back it up with a 2" J frame .38 on the ankle.

Once in awhile i'll get the itch to carry my 4" stainless .357 revolver. Can only do it with heavy clothing on, during the cold months.

With that said, i carry the semi-auto 95% of the time with it being back up by the .38 prolly 30% of the time.
During the cold weeks (I live in the PRK, so not many cold days here) I'll wear my 627 on a shoulder rig. I definitely do not feel undergunned with that bohemuth. The other 99.99% of the time it is the j-frame.
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I carry either my Kimber .45acp semi or the Smith 66 .357 , I prefer the .357 because I can wear a t-shirt and it does show or bother my skin. the Kimber requires me to wear a t-shirt unber a regular ****..... and I think Revolver are just plain sexy!
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I carry whatever I feel is appropriate for the percieved day ahead.2" M&P,6" M&P,2" single six,Rock Island Armory 1911 45.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:30 AM
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I have had and seen to many jams in semi-auto's to feel real comfy carrying them. Feel much more secure with a wheel gun.
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I've carried both, on and off duty. I "grew up" with revolvers, and I find them simple, reliable, and versatile- .38 target wadcutters or .357 magnum hollowpoints out of the same gun. Maybe even in the same cylinder! I'm comfortable with a revolver, especially one with my favorite Herrett's stocks. Just as a side note- I had to qualify at the range last night. I did "okay" with my duty gun, a .45 Para LDA, but I shot 7 points higher (on the same course) with my off-duty gun: a model 442 with HKS speedloaders. (If the department would let me, I'd still carry my model 65 as a duty gun!)
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The revolver can be fired in many situations when a semi auto would be reduced to being a single shot(eg. from a pocket or from under the pillow) . Revolvers with a shrouded or internal hammer, since they do not rely on ejection of the fired case and feeding of a new cartridge, will fire when enclosed and even up side down. I tend to pocket carry most of the time. Possibly if I weren't just too cheap to buy a good IWB holster it would change my choices. Revolvers have a "lumpy" profile which tends to conceal that profile in the pocket. A semi auto profile is flat and tends to look just like a gun when carried in your pocket. A pocket holster will help some with the profile but will do nothing about making a automatic pistol fire in all situations / positions. These reasons are the ones that compelled me to carry a revolver. My poor little PPKs just pines away in the safe, looking racy. What I tend to carry most is a 638 Smith&Wesson loaded with 125grain hollowpoints. It is light, accurate, and even kind of cute, in a deadly way.
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For a long time I carried what I was told to...either a Sig or a Beretta. When I started carrying on my own it was with an SP101 .357, because it was the only thing concealable I owned. I've since started spending more money on better leather and have found I can carry a full size 1911 IWB in Florida. The 1911 fits my hand very well and I like the flat shape for IWB carry. On the flip side, I'm currently looking for an Airweight Centennial or Bodygaurd because I don't think there is a better pocket carry option.

Of course I'm not sure immediate action items even exist for clearing revolver malfunctions.
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Like 431PD, I have arthritis in my hands. The only semi-auto that I can manipulate competently is an HK P7 (your grip actually improves with recoil, plus, it's pretty kid-proof.) I find myself going to my S&W 625 in .45ACP more and more. It's big, easy to manipulate, and the moon clips make loading and reloading pretty efficient. I used to shoot both equally well, but old age brings (some) wisdom, and I really prefer my wheel guns now.

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I thought it would be interesting to find out the reasoning behind choosing a revolver for house, concealed carry, pocket carry, etc over a small semi auto being flatter, easier to reload and faster to reload under stress, more rounds available Blah-blah-blah? Also, how many of you carry a semi auto with the revolver as backup, or carry a semi auto most of the time? Who switched from a semi auto back to a revolver and why?
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Cause only really cool guys carry revolvers.
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Revolvers aren't as sensitive to different loads & immediate action drill is as easy as pulling the trigger again. Besides I like the look & "feel" of a wheel gun.
I hope that camera was on a time release with a safe thing behind it. I would hate to be the photographer if you had a twitch.

Although that brings up an advantage of revolvers that no one has mentioned - a real double action pull - even pressure for quite a while, not like some of the so-called double action semi-autos.

I haven't decided which I like better yet, myself.
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90% of my shooting is with revolvers, but I carry a 9mm. I "like" my revolvers better, but CCW is potentially nasty business that isn't over after the gun fire stops. I don't want to loose a prized revolver to an"evidence" locker somewhere maybe miles or states away from my home.

I use a blue CS9. It is steal, blue and single stack. It is smooth and thin, no hammer spur, has a beveled mag well. It rides hammer down with decock lever up for instant DA first shot. It can ride on me for months and get loaded with lint, dead skin and still function. It conceals easily under a tucked shirt so I can be in any environment.

It doesn't shoot as well for me as my beloved .41s, but stoked with 115gr Corbons, it will get the job done.

A friend offered me a good deal on a nice 3" M65 a while back. I had intentions of making the switch to the little .357. I may still, but have not as of now.
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1) Knowing that when I pull the trigger, the (revolver) is going to fire.

2) Easier to conceal as opposed to a full sized auto or even compact auto; fits in pocket.

Can conceal pocket autos chambered in 32 or 380 (p32/p3at) but 38 spl +p beats them.

3) Shrouded hammer or enclosed hammer (638/40) allows one to fire from the coat pocket w/o presenting the weapon.
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My favorite carry gun is a M&P340 stoked with .357 HydraShocks, carried in an Uncle Mike's pocket cozy. I like the J frame 'cause every time you pull the trigger it sends a bullet down range. Tiny little thing with a terrific bang. When it's cold enough to wear a jacket (which isn't often in NE Florida) I'll sometimes carry my Kimber Raptor Ultra II 1911, cocked & locked in a Galco paddle holster. However, I still feel more comfy and safer with the .357 in my pocket.
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There's just sumpt'n really reassuring about the heft of a 4" 629. Sure, a .380 ACP is a LOT easier to carry but if my assailant turns out to be 6' 12" tall and weigh about 350 LBs and he's stoked to the gills on meth, PCP, or horse, (or some combination of the three) with a few shots of JD thrown in for kicks and grins then I want to be firing a gun with some major THUMP!!
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Handguns are expendable tools and I'd be GLAD to spend $900 to replace it if it saved my life.
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My weekend gun is a 1911, but my "all the time" gun is my old 649 38 special body guard.

I can hide it anywhere, and fits my pocket real good. I won't worry about FTF or FTE issues and there is no slide to rack.

Just point and shoot. No safeties, locks, or complicated mechanisms. My house guns are revolvers too.

If I go to bad areas then the 45 and 38 is dragged along.
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My everyday, everywhere carry is a .32 auto that rides in my front jeans pocket without printing. Since most of the year here where I live it is too hot for a covering garment and I can't do the sloppy untucked shirt mode of dress, the auto better fits my needs. While a .32 auto isn't the best stopper in the world, I don't know anyone who really wants to look at the business end of same.

My new truck gun is a M64. Why? It won't rust. I don't have to worry about magazine springs taking a set. It is always going to be ready to run. If it gets stolen, I won't be happy but I lost $300, not a bunch of money and not something that I had much of an emotional attachment to. If I had been able to pick up a M65 that cheap, I would have preferred the .357 over the .38 but either one is going to do the trick if I do my part.

Out in the boonies when I am stumping around, I carry a wheel gun ocasionally in .357 but usually in .44 or .45. If I have to shoot a feral hog (have to have a batch of pork chops) I prefer something with enough whoop to do the job. While a .45 auto will do so at close range and I assume a .40S&W would also, why?

Finally, a roundbutt S&W with a set of wood hogue (no finger groove) stocks just feels right in my hand. This is especially true in the N frame guns. While I do own autos and shoot them on a regular basis, S&W just feels better. By the same token, there is also a cool factor. I don't care how nice it is or how expensive, a 1911 is well, a 1911. I like them and own several but a 1911 compared to a M624 is akin to a cute lady standing next to my beautiful wife who I love and care for dearly. You get the picture.

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Love that quote. You are right it does annoy everyone. I am a gun loving, trial lawyer. If you think that makes my gun friends nuts, you should see what happens when I talk about gun issues with some of my very liberal friends.

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Once in awhile i'll get the itch to carry my 4" stainless .357 revolver. Can only do it with heavy clothing on, during the cold months.
Don't know what you are using for holster and belt, but with what I use I carry a 4" Model 65 and can conceal it with a medium weight t shirt or loose fitting polo. Easily.

Having smooth, rounded wood grips is key as they let the light fabric slide over the gun without printing as you move.
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Anyone who can claim their revolvers have never messed up just isn't shooting enough.
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Reliability and safety. (Have I heard this before?)

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Originally posted by RGS: I don't want to loose a prized revolver to an "evidence" locker somewhere maybe miles or states away from my home.
Handguns are expendable tools and I'd be GLAD to spend $900 to replace it if it saved my life.
Of course you have something there. Doubt I own much less could carry a $900 anything. Well, maybe the 3" 657 is worth that now. However I have 2 revolvers that are serious contenders to replace the 9mm. One is a M357PC and the other a M65-5 3". I have not shot either near enough to trust it with my life, but that may change here. Until that time, the 9mm gets the nod.
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My two carry pieces are the 649, shrouded hammer in 357 and the MP9 compact. Either one carries well in a leather fanny pack worn across my stomach. When not being carried the 649 lives bedside as my bride can handle it easily - she isn't as comfortable with the MP9. Both are easy to carry and provide plenty of pop but I do like the extra firepower the MP brings plus the extra magazine. If the poo hits the fan 20 is better than five but on the other hand if 5 from a 357 doesn't get the job done you should have practiced more. (o; Like the man said "Opinions vary".
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When choosing a sidearm all you need to do is make a list of all the things that matter the most to you, caliber, ergonomics, capacity, etc, etc. Then you must also figure in any limiting factors such as availability, legal restrictions, etc. When I chose a duty weapon I always picked a revolver because my number one priority was speed of the draw and with a thumbsnap holster the revolver beat the autos with no problem. And since S&W revolvers are my favorite handguns anyway, it was an easy choice.

However for concealed carry it is a different situation. I hardly ever carry concealed, in fact the only time I do is when we go to pick up the wifes only grand-daughter. (Don't get me wrong she is Poppys' little 'Fartbucket' too.) However the city has a residency requirement for city employees and when her mother took the job of village idiot she had to move to the ***od. Anyway, since that is the only time I carry now I chose an open top paddle holster so thumbstraps aren't in the equation anymore. I wanted something with reasonable power and a high capacity magazine since I don't carry any extra ammo. I own 43 semi autos of which 37 would have been acceptable so then I was only restricted by one limiting factor, what was immediately avaible for a lefty? I ended up with a Fobus paddle holster for my Glock 20. But I usually stick a Taurus 445 in my pocket instead because I hate paddle holsters.

For around the house I keep a 20 gauge shotgun and an SKS out of the safes.
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I thought it would be interesting to find out the reasoning behind choosing a revolver for house, concealed carry, pocket carry, etc over a small semi auto being flatter, easier to reload and faster to reload under stress, more rounds available Blah-blah-blah? Also, how many of you carry a semi auto with the revolver as backup, or carry a semi auto most of the time? Who switched from a semi auto back to a revolver and why?
One other thing I failed to bring up, forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's words since I didn't read all the posts, is that a complete beginner can pick up a revolver in an emergency and have a cursory idea of how to use the gun. Point at BG, click, repeat as needed until compliance is elicited.

Yes you will run out of bullets before a semi-auto would, but that would be a moot point for someone not used to a semi.
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Well....let's see....I started off in the 70's carrying a Browning High Power, and had that one for about 10 years. Moved from Washington to Arizona, and got into revolvers. Carried a snub for a few years.....got a Glock 19, which I still carry sometimes...and decided to keep the 9mm in the nightstand for home defense and back to carrying snub for CCW...just easier to hide...and no reliability issues.
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Still don't have a concealead carry permit....on the "To do" list...

I've fooled around with pistols, holsters for years. I love autos. Fun to shoot, damn accurate. I have a fair collection of assorted Sigs, 1911's, some with extensive mods, trigger jobs,etc. Even with some full boat customs, the gun I shoot the best is a bone stock West German Sig 225. It fits my hand perfectly. Point and shoot.

If I were to carry a pistol in public, I'd opt for the 340PD, with Crimson Trace grips. It's a pain in the *** to shoot, but it's small enough, light enough, that there's no reason to leave it behind.

Phisiologically, I'm kind of limited. Male, with long legs, short torso. Tried 4 different very expensive holsters with a Sig 239/40. Kramer gunbelt, the works. Nothing fit right. I always ended up with a pistol butt in the ribs, front, back, or side. Not a fan of cross draws, behind the back holsters for a few reasons. Ended up selling the gun, and most of the rigging, as I couldn't see it ever being a usefull CC rig, which is what that gun was meant for. Hated to see the 239 go, as it had a sweet trigger.

A girlfriend made the mistake of going with me to Gander Mountain about 3 years ago. I ended up drooling over a 340PD. She bought it for me as a Christmas present.

I had 2 problems, one my fault, one a S&W production fault.

My fault was trying smoking hot .357 Doubletaps meant for 4" or greater barrells in the 340PD.
Blew the case up. Had to be pounded out with a rod. No big deal. Cylender fine, don't use that ammo.

Second problem was a broken trigger return spring. At the time it broke, I had less than 300 rounds down the barrel, maybe 3,000 dry fires. Replaced under warenty, no problems. Just now hitting around 3,000 rounds, 10 times as many dry fires. No problems.

I'm a little old school, in that I believe a gun has to put 1,000 rounds down range before being considered reliable. The 340PD has passed the test.

My carry considerations are gone. It goes in the breast pocket of a casual jacket, would fit in any but the tightest jeans. I've got a Mika's pocket holster on order, might have to go for the cc license sometime this summer.

I hate the trigger, though that's gotten better with time. I hate the recoil. Love the size and weight. Why revolvers? No spring compression issues, DA simplicity, reliability. If you can carry it everywhere, you might have it when needed. Sorry for the ramble.

Mark
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Mine is a sp-101 with laser grips. If it's a dark street and if I can walk away after a shoot out, I will....so I don't want to leave any empties behind that can be traced to me. Unlike Bernard Getz, I'm not turning myself in....they gotta find me.

If there are several witnesses that can place me at the scene, I'll stay put....but if there are several witnesses, there probably wont be a mugging anyway. Either way, I'll keep my empties off the street with a small wheel gun.
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Win,

Justify any shooting your willing to participate in, and walk away from, and still call yourself an honorable, ethical citizen?

I'm not particularily christian, but I do believe in cursing the darkness.

I do have a problem with folks seeking to commit a crime.

Your proposition implies the lowest logic: "If I don't get caught, it's OK"

Excuse the implied language, but F@%K that.

You emberrass responsible gun ownership, and responsible citizen gun ownership.

Reality check #1 How many muggings happened in West Virginia last year?

Reality check #2 By your logic, you are a criminal waiting for an opportunity. The idea that you percieve a threat, respond violently, and walk away without judicial review, and go back to baking cookies, or whatever you do is ridiculous.

Your post implies the not unique concept of "It's only illegal if I get caught"

Check your local correctional institution. Theres a few folks that might agree with you.

This is meant to be a challenge to your thinking, rather than a personal attack.

My personal ethics are significantly different.
By the way, evidence recovery teams don't need a shell casing. It just helps.

One more rant off,
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Mine is a sp-101 with laser grips. If it's a dark street and if I can walk away after a shoot out, I will....so I don't want to leave any empties behind that can be traced to me. Unlike Bernard Getz, I'm not turning myself in....they gotta find me.

If there are several witnesses that can place me at the scene, I'll stay put....but if there are several witnesses, there probably wont be a mugging anyway. Either way, I'll keep my empties off the street with a small wheel gun.
Don't forget the cameras as you walk away. Better have a good explanation.
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:37 AM
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Many people equate law with ethics. In many cases, I would agree with this. However, when a law is in conflict with government directives in the state and Federal Constitutions, is it a valid law?

It is clear to me that, nowadays, the law has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with power and control of the population.

I do not consider a man who carries without a permit to be a criminal. That person is expressing their right to keep and bear arms. They may, however, be violating the law. Such a person needs to be willing to pay the price because the state will have no mercy.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:01 AM
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I take my 14 year old son to the range with his Walther P22 semi-auto and give him a box of 525 22lr. I have my S&W 317 rev . Guess who has lots and lots of shells to pick up after we're done. My back thanks you very much S&W.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:39 AM
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As for "why" -- I don't carry a revolver. That will change in a bit as an experiment.

1) "Why I carry a revolver": it's a lesson in concealed carry issues. They are very different and I am in the business of providing revolver gear to people. Over the course of the experiment, I'll figure out what really needs to be addressed.

2) "Why I don't carry a revolver."

A) Self-defense vs. self-offense

Several posters have mentioned "offensive" versus "defensive" situations. I think this is playing with words in a public forum for any future courtroom testimony.

It's a fight for life...nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes, we'll be behind the curve and have to react. Other times, we'll see it coming and have the gun out (you're stupid if you have the opportunity but don't draw). Calling such a situation "offensive" or "defensive" is very misleading because it only describes the situation in terms of aggressor or victim. We engage in "defensive" tactics when reacting to an attack and engage in "offensive" tactics when we strike. Note the difference. Yes, we'll use different words in court, but this is the essence of the idea.

There are times where I know the enemy (criminals, terrorists, whatever) are setting up for an attack. In such a situation, I'm going to strike first because self-preservation requires it. The aftermath will require me to articulate why I chose that action and I have the vocabulary to do so. But, people engaging in this activity MUST know how to manage the legal system.

B) Reliability

Reliability how? Is a revolver always more reliable? Or is a semi-auto more reliable? As far as I can tell, it depends upon the situation.

Revolvers can have more trouble when they get dirty. We're all familiar with what dirt can do. Certainly, the weak point in the system is the ammunition if a revolver sits in a desk for two decades. Many semi-autos will do just fine in a drawer for a couple of years before showing problems. But, seriously, do people serious about fighting neglect their tools that way?

For me, the only answer to this question is to test frequently and maintain my weapons. Some of that testing involves attending shooting classes with high round counts. This yields confidence, though it does cause wear and tear. Then again, I always have duplicate models.

C) Capacity

Capacity is important. It is more important than terminal ballistics. The reasons include: 1) criminals are attacking in packs, and 2) the terminal ballistics of bullets fired from handguns are not good. Handgun shots cannot be relied upon to stop an attack quickly (or even slowly). Therefore, multiple shots will LIKELY be required.

When I think of this, I think in terms of bursts. A generally define a burst at 2-6 rounds, depending upon the situation. Therefore, a handgun with 15+1 capacity carries between 3 and 7 bursts. If my first burst to the body doesn't stop the attack, then another burst will be fired at the head.

Considering that most revolvers hold five or six shots, that's only one or two bursts. That's one attacking goblin. Even a S&W 627 with eight shot capacity is equal to that of a single stack 1911 or SIG P220 (two to three burst guns).

Some will cry out "Spray-n-pray! Spray-n-pray!" That's one way to look at it; it's also misleading. I would agree that a shooter using burst fire from a handgun at 50 feet would be engaging in "spray-n-pray". But, at five feet or even 15? Given the dynamics of real gun and knife fights, this is not unreasonable and the odds of success are high.

Accept that you will miss. This is reality, not some fantasy where you get to be picky about your shots. If only a knee is available, take it! Perhaps you're getting your weak arm sliced up by a knife as you attempt to disengage...it won't be easy (so say my instructors and guys who have been there).

So, if you account for misses, burst fire, multiple assailants, and non-range conditions, higher capacity is a BIG DEAL.

It really comes down to playing the odds. Will they attack if you put a gun in play? If they proceed (or don't notice), will it be sufficient? Will you have sufficient time to engage such that their multiple attacks against your one won't matter?
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Mr Benchrat,

Thanks for your opinion on how, if I am being mugged, robbed or car jacked and I shoot in defense of my life, or the lives of my family members, I am then ***nor bound' to submit my actions to judicial review. Your observations of our courts must be different than mine. First, if you are TOTALLY justified in a shooting and found not guilty, you are only out many thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars, in legal fees to get your acquital. (There goes your house and your 401k money).

But even if found not guilty, then comes the personal injury lawsuits. Mr. mugger can't 'get it up' after being shot, so his wife sues you for loss of spousal services. Or he has recurring nightmares...or post traumatic stress syndrome...or a thousand other real or imagined disorders, and suddenly the original victim, is now the bad guy who must be made to pay. Maybe I used hollow points to defend my life....oh my God, that adds another quarter million in damages I owe because a fast talking lawyer is able to convince the jury that I am a NRA member from the stone age with a callous disregard for the rights of my poor Meth smoking mugger.

My adult son, who practices law, has one jawdropping story after another of things he sees every day in the court room... injustices inflicted upon the muggee, not always the mugger. Your theory sounds good, and in a perfect world, I would agree with your sentiments. But on the advice of my lawyer, (and since I spent thousands getting him through law school, you will forgive me if I listen to his experience rather than your opinion), if I can walk away, undetected after an attempted assualt upon my person where I had to shoot to defend my life, I'm walking....and the SP-101 and remaining ammo will get thrown in the deepest part of Ohio river on my way home.

But please, don't let my thinking on this subject sway your actions should you ever be involved in a shooting. IF you have good witnesses, that can be located after the fact, who will back up your story, you will probably be found not guilty. However, if I may, I recommend you buy lots of personal liability insurance (it's about $300 a year for a million in coverage...not that expensive when you consider the risk of going without)....cause there WILL be a personal injury attorney somewhere, willing to take you to court, to rob you in a way your original attacker.... could only dream about.
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I own three autos that are extremely reliable and accurate: Colt OACP, Glock 20 and a BHP. I can hit anything with multiple hits up to 25 yards with any of these guns. I love them!
I have four wheel guns. One is accurate to 7 yards(S&W 940). Two are accurate up to 25 yards(S&W 65-3 3" and Ruger Alaskan .454 Casull). The other is accurate to 75 yards (Dan Wesson 15-2 8").
I really can't fault my autos for having less reliability than my wheel guns because they don't. However, the autos do require decent magazines to perform reliably. The wheel guns just need good ammo.
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Mr Win,

I agree there there are 2 schools in play.
1. The way things ought to be. (Basis of civilization, etc.)
2. The way things are.

Your argument says we should continue with things the way they are.

We should avoid responsibility. We should blame the system for lacking justice, and take no responsibility for our actions. Our actions should not be reviewed by our peers.

We should take no opportunity to change or challenge that which is unreasonable, or unethical.

We should do what's easy, rather than what's right.

I understand the dilema, I just don't agree with your solution.

I'm no virgin. I know what a .45 tastes like.
It's sorta like sucking on a penny. Scars suck.

I'm a believer in HVLT (High Velocity Lead Therapy) I also believe in taking responsibility for any therapeutic technique I might employ.

That's just me.

I can't see myself ever fulfilling all the roles of judge, jury, and executioner.

and sleeping nights.

Mark

Sorry for the thread hijack. I'm done.
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I just seem to be able to shoot a revolver more accuratly than a semi.
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I was a LEO for 34 years and carried both revolvers and autos. Both are good choiced for
personal protection but both require regular practice to be reliable tools in an emergency self protectiob role. I prefer the revolver as I find it easier to carry concealed and with 5 or 6 rounds is more than adequate for the normal
self protection encounter. I prefer the revolver
for the following reasons:

1- Used them for most of my career and feel very comfortable with them. They are in my opinion more reliable than an autoloader.

2- I find the revolver easier to conceal and more comfortable to wear.

3- Revolvers are fine with ammo changes and will generally not fail to operate with different types of ammo.

4- Reloading for a revolver is in my opinion easier than for an autoloader and bullet choices are better as well.

5- Revolvers are easy to make changes to such as grip changes which can greatly alter the gun
to different uses such as concealability or ability to handle magnum loads.

6- Reloads are in my opinion easier to carry concealed and can be carried loose or in speed loaders or speed strips.

7- Revolvers lend themselves to practice in dry firing which will not compare to an autoloader.

8- Revolvers are nostalgic, they have been around since the early 1800's and have proven themselves over and over in every type of environment and conflict and in every type of application, even in taking big dangerous game.
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I like revolvers because they're all metal! They don't make revolvers out of Fantastic-Plastic! Revolvers are real guns for real men! You never saw John Wayne shooting an automatic!
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I,too, was a part of Law Enforcement for over
thirty years. I am now retired. I carry revolvers
for various reasons. The multiple-attacker theory
is not one of them. Statistically, less than what
I carry in my J-frame is fired in an encounter.
So, I carry for ease and comfort of carry. My
revolvers fulfill that. I also am arthritic, so
the revolvers sit better for less pain in firing
and reloading. Sorta hard to work the slide on
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TAC, I hate to burst your bubble, but John Wayne did shoot a semi-auto in McQ. I believe it was a Browning Hi Power.
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