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This one is first-year; April/May of 1954. Ser# S1111xx
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Hey yall,


Newbie here, just got my first revolver, inherited from my 80-y/o Colorado game warden uncle, who inherited it from his (uncle? dad?) when he started working as a warden in the early 1960s.



I can't figure out what this gun is - help!


It's a S&W 38/357, and my uncle told me it was a highway patrol-issue unit, however, the S/N and the specs don't seem to line up?


I am pretty sure its a pre-HP (/FHP?) model 28 N-frame, serial # S 103214. From a different forum (1911 forum) I've found that to be a late 1954-early 1955 s/n, pre-HP? This serial # is stamped on the butt, the cylinder, and the body inside the cylinder area. (Sorry, I don't know all my gun terms!)



Also to confuse further, this gun has a 5" barrel, cylinder-to-muzzle. It does not say 'highway patrolman' or anything else on the gun, however, there is a second number stamped on the cylinder arm and on the frame that reads '23260'



Anybody know the scoop on these non-FHP, pre-HP 5" N-frames? Is it a model 28? What is this gun?

I know there's lots of chatter about pins and screws on these forums, but I don't know what screws or pins those reference.





Also, anyone have any clue what the value on this might be? This revolver doesn't really fit my needs (I'm a backcountry hunter and backpacking guide, and this is a bulky, heavy gun!) and I'm considering selling it at some point. The bluing is in exceptional condition, and it's been fired very little - maybe 200 rounds - since my uncle took ownership of it in 1961.






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Hey yall,


Newbie here, just got my first revolver, inherited from my 80-y/o Colorado game warden uncle, who inherited it from his (uncle? dad?) when he started working as a warden in the early 1960s.



I can't figure out what this gun is - help!


It's a S&W 38/357, and my uncle told me it was a highway patrol-issue unit, however, the S/N and the specs don't seem to line up?


I am pretty sure its a pre-HP (/FHP?) model 28 N-frame, serial # S 103214. From a different forum (1911 forum) I've found that to be a late 1954-early 1955 s/n, pre-HP? This serial # is stamped on the butt, the cylinder, and the body inside the cylinder area. (Sorry, I don't know all my gun terms!)



Also to confuse further, this gun has a 5" barrel, cylinder-to-muzzle. It does not say 'highway patrolman' or anything else on the gun, however, there is a second number stamped on the cylinder arm and on the frame that reads '23260'



Anybody know the scoop on these non-FHP, pre-HP 5" N-frames? Is it a model 28? What is this gun?

I know there's lots of chatter about pins and screws on these forums, but I don't know what screws or pins those reference.





Also, anyone have any clue what the value on this might be? This revolver doesn't really fit my needs (I'm a backcountry hunter and backpacking guide, and this is a bulky, heavy gun!) and I'm considering selling it at some point. The bluing is in exceptional condition, and it's been fired very little - maybe 200 rounds - since my uncle took ownership of it in 1961.






Pics attached, and in the album here: n-frame serial # S 103214 - Google Photos


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It looks like a 5 screw model 27 or pre-model 27 to me. The model 28
does not have checkering on the top strap or the high polish finish. Your
gun has both of these, plus it has a 5 inch barrel. The 28 was normally available in 4 or 6 inch only.

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Hey yall,


Newbie here, just got my first revolver, inherited from my 80-y/o Colorado game warden uncle, who inherited it from his (uncle? dad?) when he started working as a warden in the early 1960s.



I can't figure out what this gun is - help!


It's a S&W 38/357, and my uncle told me it was a highway patrol-issue unit, however, the S/N and the specs don't seem to line up?


I am pretty sure its a pre-HP (/FHP?) model 28 N-frame, serial # S 103214. From a different forum (1911 forum) I've found that to be a late 1954-early 1955 s/n, pre-HP? This serial # is stamped on the butt, the cylinder, and the body inside the cylinder area. (Sorry, I don't know all my gun terms!)



Also to confuse further, this gun has a 5" barrel, cylinder-to-muzzle. It does not say 'highway patrolman' or anything else on the gun, however, there is a second number stamped on the cylinder arm and on the frame that reads '23260'



Anybody know the scoop on these non-FHP, pre-HP 5" N-frames? Is it a model 28? What is this gun?

I know there's lots of chatter about pins and screws on these forums, but I don't know what screws or pins those reference.





Also, anyone have any clue what the value on this might be? This revolver doesn't really fit my needs (I'm a backcountry hunter and backpacking guide, and this is a bulky, heavy gun!) and I'm considering selling it at some point. The bluing is in exceptional condition, and it's been fired very little - maybe 200 rounds - since my uncle took ownership of it in 1961.






Pics attached, and in the album here: n-frame serial # S 103214 - Google Photos


Thanks! Help a newbie out!
It's an early Pre M27, known as The .357 Magnum, the follow-on to the Registered Magnum. Model numbers weren't assigned until around 1957. The M27 is S&W's Cadillac revolver in .357 Magnum. The M28 is a less-finished version, made to sell for less to law enforcement. Early guns had 5 screws, then the screw nearest the top of the side plate was deleted, making it a 4-screw gun, then the one in front of the trigger guard, and from there on they were all 3-screw guns. Yours is an absolute peach, looks like the cylinder stop turn line is the only mark on it. Originally, 3-1/2 and 5" barrels were available, the 5" was dropped in 1979. 4", 6" and 8-3/8" were available sometime in the early model numbered years. SCSW doesn't mention a value for a Exc or VGC 5-screw gun but does mention a 4-screw is double what a 3 screw brings, around $2K for ANIB condition, and mentions a premium for 5" barrels.

The number "23260" is a production number to keep fitted parts together while the gun was on the assembly line. You'd find similar numbers on the butt frame, yoke, cylinder and inside the barrel shroud. The "pins and screws" relates to the collectibility and era of manufacture. I explained the screws; the pinned barrel was deleted in 1982, and the recessed cylinder (the case rims fit flush into recesses in the rear of the charge holes) at the same approximate time. Those are hallmarks of Magnum revolvers made up to the early '80s and are worth more to collectors. Yours would be somebody's Holy Grail gun.

Just a SWAG, I'd say easily worth $2K+ by itself, and much more with the box, tools and paperwork. Given the family history behind it, I wouldn't part with it for 10x that, if it were mine. It would make an excellent carry when guiding, get yourself a chest carry rig; they don't interfere with pack straps the weight is carried off your hip and out of the way.

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Former small town cops gun. 1966. Not sure if it shipped with RR WO.
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Thanks for bringing this thread back up. I have a 28 lined up and now I know it was shipped 1961-1962. A friend settled for this one but actually wanted a 5" model 27. He found one so it looks like I'll be heating with firewood this winter. No big deal, did that for 42 years and who knows? might be the new normal anyway.

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I was left this highway patrolman by my father in law recently. Serial is S111xxx which I think means itís from the first year or two. Just wanted to get some ideas on how much itís worth and cleaning it up and keeping it in good shape.
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I was left this highway patrolman by my father in law recently. Serial is S111xxx which I think means itís from the first year or two. Just wanted to get some ideas on how much itís worth and cleaning it up and keeping it in good shape.
Condition makes a pretty big difference in value and that is hard to judge...
Is that a nickel finish or just a lot of reflection in the pics?

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Condition makes a pretty big difference in value and that is hard to judge...
Is that a nickel finish or just a lot of reflection in the pics?

Most any Nframe will bring 600 or more right now.
Yes itís nickel I havenít seen many with that finish. It seems to be in good shape mechanically just has a lot of wear and tear a few spots of surface rust. He kept it in his nightstand for 40 years and shot it a few times a year.
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Yes itís nickel I havenít seen many with that finish. It seems to be in good shape mechanically just has a lot of wear and tear a few spots of surface rust. He kept it in his nightstand for 40 years and shot it a few times a year.
She looks kinda rough, no doubt an old after market nickel job. The screws look a little boogered too...really nice grips though! Were it me I'd keep it in the family, you're not going to get much for it selling. 5 or 6 maybe.
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S3050XX 6". Question. This is what the inside of the crane looks like.

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My 27-2 and 28-2, serial number N585XXX.

That is a great picture of those two guns, I wish you would post a few more side by side shots of those two. Are they both close to the same serial number?
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My contribution. First year Pre-28 shipped in September 1954. S 116959. Last photo sporting some Culina black walnut magna's.




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My contribution. First year Pre-28 shipped in September 1954. S 116959. Last photo sporting some Culina black walnut magna's.



What a fine example, congratulations! The finish looks factory original and if so that is in amazing condition!
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That is a great picture of those two guns, I wish you would post a few more side by side shots of those two. Are they both close to the same serial number?
The Model 27-2 is 731XXX.
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Well this was bugging me, I found a colorized version of that old video in the middle of the night. It was farther back then I remembered, 1938. Note, don't try some of these shooting skills at home, You'll shoot your eye out kid!
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ETA: You'll see my memory is not as reliable as it use to be, no civilian shooters and it appears there were some 1911's (?) being fired toward the end, the video is not quite as I remembered. (Has anyone seen my keys?)

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That is a beautiful gun and package of factory items. If it were mine I would not have it drilled and tapped. It will lose collector value if you do. And that is fairly valuable package you have.
There are many newer guns you could buy that are already drilled and tapped for aftermarket sights. That way you save the collector value and add another gun to the stable. Win Win. JA
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Hey Miami JBT - Those Pach's look GREAT on those guns. Tempts me to do the same.
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New to this forum and have had a blast so far! Should be picking up my M-28-2 today. System down last night.. Bummer.. Gun was bought on gunbroker and looks real nice on limited inspection. These damn serial numbers are a real head scratcher.. Best I can tell my gun was made between 1974-1977. SN N2525xx. Am I close? Anyway can't wait to inspect/clean and shoot.. repeat..
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I'm a new member as well and had a S&W Model 28. My great uncle (former Cpt in the ISP) had several and I bought one from him and absolutely loved it. I joined the Army and was sent over to Korea when my brother "borrowed" the gun and it was stolen when his truck was broken into at his apartment. The Police never recovered it and I have never replaced it. I would love to have another one.
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What would be the proper duty holster for a model 28-2? I see some different brands and styles on eBay. I liked to purchase the correct one. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! thanks
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I have a pre 28 n frame s183442 whatís it worth
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