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Well....that's 2-states were pretty sure about.....that leaves 48.
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Smith & Wesson will begin getting my revolver money again when they lose the lock and not before. I'm not concerned with what some foolish state legislatures foist on their own foolish populace who put the wretched politicians in office. What about consumers who reside in the overwhelming number of states where feeble lock-styled safety designs aren't required? Smith & Wesson needs to stick by us too but they're not doing it at this point.

I admire the used, more traditional Smith & Wesson models anyway. I'm not required to purchase new.
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John has been cranking out "Plugs" for our S&W IL transplants for several weeks now & I believe he really has them down pat. Looks like they are set up for J, K, L, & N Frame revolvers in Blue, Stainless, & Matte finishes. I've gotten several "Plugs" from John, and they all are perfect regarding thicknesses into the IL hole. They are easy to put in and are held in by the Forked Spring. Well worth the $25.00 he is charging. Here are a couple pictures of my S&W model 638 Airweight Bodyguard, as well as the actual milled "Plug". Lets see some more of those J-Frames.
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I have done a bit of machine work in the past and for $25 this is a REAL bargain.
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I'm sort-of handy with tools... are detailed instructions included with the plug?
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I'm sort-of handy with tools... are detailed instructions included with the plug?
NO...just the plug and the clip that holds it in. I've seen a picture somewhere that shows the inside of the gun where the clip clips the plug.......
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There is a link to a video on the forum here someplace, but you can go "Google-up" S&W lock removal...or some such verbiage and find the video on you tube. I think that guy only removes the flag, but you will have to remove all 5-pieces to clear the hole and install the plug.

You can find other videos that take you through the general revolver tear-down out there on the web too if you have never gutted one.
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I just bought a 24-6 with the IL, I also have bought old smiths with out the lock I like both and I will buy a new smith and change out the lock. I'd hate not to be able buy a new one just because of that problem, I think I'll suport smith & wesson as much as I can. Just my 2 cents
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:25 PM
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Smith & Wesson will begin getting my revolver money again when they lose the lock and not before. I'm not concerned with what some foolish state legislatures foist on their own foolish populace who put the wretched politicians in office. What about consumers who reside in the overwhelming number of states where feeble lock-styled safety designs aren't required? Smith & Wesson needs to stick by us too but they're not doing it at this point.

I admire the used, more traditional Smith & Wesson models anyway. I'm not required to purchase new.

I recently purchased a no-lock 442 but, other than that, I don't buy IL guns any more. To many good pre-lock guns out there I want!
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There is a link to a video on the forum here someplace, but you can go "Google-up" S&W lock removal...or some such verbiage and find the video on you tube. I think that guy only removes the flag, but you will have to remove all 5-pieces to clear the hole and install the plug.

You can find other videos that take you through the general revolver tear-down out there on the web too if you have never gutted one.
The link to the video is in post #13 in this thread, plus detailed pics in post #14 - it doesn't get much easier than that.


For some of us, buying a S&W without the IL is not an option - my S&W 329PD is but one example. First thing I did with mine was purchase and install the Plug from BS.

And when I sent my 329PD back to the factory for warranty repair, I also sent S&W an unmistakable message about my opinion of their "lock": the IL went back to them in a bag in pieces. When my 329PD came back, the first thing I did, again, was install the Plug.

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I just received the plug for my M-625 and I have a couple of questions. Mine appears a little different than the one shown in post #14. Mine does not have a flat spot on it and it came with a small "U" shaped retaining spring.

So do I use the "U" shaped spring to hold the plug in place or do I use the fork and spring that held the original lock cylinder/cam?

Also, do I have to remove the flag? Can I file down the locking nub that engages the hammer and leave the flag?

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Just wondering about disconnecting the function of the lock by grinding off the nub on the inside of the "flag" to keep the nasty thing from malfunctioning. That way we can preserve the original look of the gun and maybe have some peace of mind. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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Just wondering about disconnecting the function of the lock by grinding off the nub on the inside of the "flag" to keep the nasty thing from malfunctioning. That way we can preserve the original look of the gun and maybe have some peace of mind. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Just searching to find how to buy three more plugs; have two installed and saw your question...

I've filed the studs off my flags and though that would suffice to prevent the IL failure. While shooting a porcupine with my 329pd it locked up - was forced to go to my 360pd, also with a filed off flag stud and finished the critter. The lock still caused the gun to freeze - installed the plug and took out all the **** S&W decided to clutter the hammer area with. Seems to be fine.

If it were not for the scandium offerings, I'd never buy a S&W revolver with the internal lock. Every time I see one I think of the Clintons.
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davemercer hit the nail on the head . Read his post carefully and ninety % of us will find ourselves . We don't need guns ,we want them .
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Do you have any photos of the 442 with a plug coated in Black Delrin? Thanks

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I found the stainless plugs much easier to instal for some reason. I actually lost one of the black ones, and installed the one I bought for my 617 in my 327. It looks fine because there already are silver pins showing through on the side of the gun. One more silver circle blends right in. My 340pd is the same way, The 442 is all black, but I would still order the stainless one for it.

I think the "plug" makes a lot of sense on any gun. But it makes more sense on the j frame centenials. The flag is completely hidden, and there is no way to tell if the gun is locked or not.

Has anybody done anything about the little hole that is left open on the side of the j frames? I did not want to leave it open so I cut a small circle from a black sticker and stuck it over the holes on both of my centenials. It actually doesn't look bad, and no dust or moisture can get in now.

These plugs are a great product, and the peace of mind is worth the price. Ed
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I opted to cut the nub off the flag and leave it installed rather than to leave the small hole. Also I found that with the flag removed I could push in on the plug and it would move inwards slightly no longer sitting flush. With the flag installed it fills the gap between the hammer and the loop of the retaining clip; now when I push in on the plug it is solid and does not move.
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I solved the problem by selling my lock model for a non lock model, lol
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Is there a liability thing for removing the loc incase someone picks it up and shoots it. Like a child if another child is hurt with it because you removed the loc? We have lawyers here right?

It's like removing a safety on a gun right? Are we putting the gun in a unsafe mode by tampering with the loc.

I'm not sure but I would hate to put it all on the line that I worked hard for all my life.

I like the plug idea but is it legally ok to remove the loc.

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Is there a liability thing for removing the loc incase someone picks it up and shoots it. Like a child if another child is hurt with it because you removed the loc?
If that ever happens with my gun, the last thing I will be concerned about is my own fate. There is no excuse for leaving a firearm unattended / unsecured for a child (or anyone) to "pick it up and shoot it", lock or no lock, period.
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I solved the problem by selling my lock model for a non lock model, lol
I'm not parting with my IL models. They function fine. Just read the owners manual on how to use the IL and what not to do with it.
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The lock is considered a storage device, not a safety. You have the obligation to make sure accidents like that don't happen.
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