Bat Guano,

Have you tried to see if a local agency will certify you for the federal LEO permit? Chicago PD and chicagoland does not certify retired officers. They come down to Decatur and get certified. The only problem they run into is if they own a gun that did not exist prior to 11/1/1980.

Cook County is still enforcing the rule that only CURRENT LEOs can carry in the county unless gun that they are carrying was registered with the county prior to 11/1/1980.

Cal, let me tell you something very sad abut the models 14´s of the Aguascalientes police. They were destroyed by SEDENA when they switched to Berettas.
I friend of mine wants to buy one of 8 inches barrel that was in exhibition in the police armory and talked to a Medic of the Police because he wanted him to help him with the trade and he heard the bad news.

Hannibal Barca

You will still see an occasional Model 19 in a holster in the Philadelphia Airport Police. They are all PHL cops with cross-agreement with Tinicum Township as half the airport is in Philadelphia County the other in Delaware Country/Tinicum Township. Dave_n

please be patient. i am from the south and there for ignorant. can you explain why someone would not want retired LEOs to carry? i would think it would extend the department's reach and effectiveness at little expense.

One has to wince at the thought of probably several hundred K-38's "being destroyed" by SEDENA's unwashed drones. Well, I would have really secretly suspected something like that.

I think it was like in 1998 or so I got sucked into going to that big State Fair they up there in Aguascalientes. It was one of those "all expenses paid" deals by some Mexican Trucking Company that thought that having an American as a "friend" would help them out. You should have seen their faces when -- after I let them wine and dine me -- I told them I was Canadian. Anyway, walking around up there, there were lots of Police around, and I remember thinking. "Damn! They ALL have K-38's!" A lot of them had those really cheap synthetic nylon yaqui slide type holsters, so you could see the bottom part of the 6-inch barrel sticking out with it's unshrouded extractor rod partly visible as well, so there was just NO DOUBT as to what you were looking at.

I was on this Mexican Army base once having just done some very elementary and basic training courses for the Police Force that was supposed to go down to Chiapas during the little uprising they had there in 1994 or so. This Mexican Army Lieutenant took me to show off some big bales of MJ they had confiscated out of some cement truck. They were real proud of that. They were going to burn it.

"Can I stand upwind?" I asked whimsically.

He just sort of stared at me and I could see myself reflected in his shiney-mirror sunglasses.

"I'll show you something you'll find interesting." He took me over about 50 yards or so, and there was this big pile of junky guns. I mean, real ****. Like the MJ bales, there were guys in PFP uniforms (Police uniforms with Military guys in them to get around the law prohibiting the Military from doing traffic stops or something like that) with MP-5s. They had this table set up, and there was a guy there with a hacksaw and a big bench vice bending, cutting, and just wrecking the stuff from one pile and throwing it over onto another pile.

"All the guns we have confiscated!" delared buddy proudly.

"This is all junk." I told him. "Where's the good stuff?"

He looked indignant. "You DON'T honestly think we'd destroy THAT do you? The good stuff goes to our officers! The almost good stuff goes to the enlisted men."

"Oh." Man, I was happy to get out of there. Back in those days, I was always troubled by the fact that sooner or later, someone might start to think that I was seeing too much. I keep to myself, these days.

So when you tell me the "K-38's were destroyed", I flashback to standing there watching that guy wreck junk guns while his partner checked them off on a list as they got flung into the DONE pile. Oh, it just makes me shake my head.

Apx 2 years ago saw a cop in the Mexican side of Nogales packing a Model 10. Saw another cop earlier in the day and it looked like a Model 15 but I wasn't close enough to tell for sure. Could have possibly been an Astra or Spanish mfg look-alike. From a distance of about 50 yards I could see some of the Mexican border guards with revolvers but couldn't guess what kind.

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I think Mayberry still issues the model 10.

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Not sure if NYS Department of Corrections still has them, I know a couple of years ago they were. I do know that last year our local NYS Court Officers locally were carrying a couple of Model 15's, I don't know of anyone else.

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Even the 71 year old Deputy Sheriff we have here, aka "Pappy" carries a Glock 22 We have 3 sworn Officers in my township and they also carry Glock 22's.

When I first got hired working for my county govt., I heard there were a couple Deputy Sheriff's who were so old they were about to be made to retire. I would have thought I'd see some older irons in their holsters, but no, all plastic. I don't think these older guys in particular are masters with a handgun either...one of them is a master at buying Powerball tickets and I have heard funny stories that he has been known to report for his shift with an empty holster because he forgot his Glock at home , the other struggles to stay awake during court hearings but at least most days he has a gun in his holster.

The .40 plastic poppers have worked their way down to Podunk

No wheelguns to be seen in the larger town I work in either, it's all Glock, XD's or some other poly gun. Some of the Parole and Probation people might carry wheelguns, I don't know they're always concealed.

It's been quite a while since I've seen any wheelgun in a LEO holster.

The closest I've seen recently was the armored car guard who looked about 110 years old with an Official Police in his holster, refilling the ATM machine. I think some armored carrier companies make their guards buy their own handguns, so some of those guys have S&W and Colt .38's they've had probably forever.

Even in our little rinky dink county the department went to Glocks early on, way back in the 1990's. I remember the first guns were 9mm, and then right about when I joined in 2004 they had gone to .45's. At least they got the caliber right. Even us guys in the Corrections end get the Glocks now, however I would prefer a wheelgun.

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I will admit experiences may differ but my experience with 60 year old cops carrying Model 10 was that at least half of the revolvers would come out of the holsters so filthy, rusted and generally gummed up that they wouldn't fire. If the gun happened to be functional the owner/carrier might not be able to meet the minimal speed or accuracy requirements of qualification.

Not everyone carrying a "plastic" gun sprays n prays. There are those who actually aim and control the trigger. Similarly, carrying a revolver doesn't guarantee good shot placement. Way too much "painting with a broad brush" in this thread, at least in my experience.

Dave

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The revolver vs. auto argument will go on forever. It is really about shot placement and what you are trained to use. I had to use my service revolver more than once during my career so I'm wedded to the wheel, but that's just me.

At 65 I'm too old to even think about reentering LE and have no desire to. If I HAD to I'd probably want a revolver, but that is a real pipe dream (thank goodness).

Detroit Police still does. If you see an officer with one strapped to their hip, then you know about how long they have been on the job

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Illinois Department of Corrections uses Model 64s, though there is a rumor of switching to 40 cal Glocks.

We don't issue revolvers, but we authorize them. I had to attend a meeting today in Atlanta, and I wore my Dad's 2 inch Model 10 that he carried as an FBI agent in the 60's and 70's in my new Lobogunleather belt slide....I carry a 49 in my pocket no matter what else I may have on.
That M 10 is mine now, and I am proud to still carry it at times....

Sheriff, I carry two revolvers with me every time I go to Atlanta, too. Usually a long gun of some kind behind the truck seat. I try not to stop as I whiz through, but I might break down or have a flat or something. Every time I have to go up there I remember why it is I live in S. Georgia.

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If you go through Chicago O'Hare Airport you still see the occasional old timer Chicago Cop with a revolver in holster - usually a Model 64, but some blue guns too. I've also seen a couple of the older women carrying model 36s of 60s.

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Roger that....I can't WAIT to get back home after doing my time in Atlanta....

Those Chicago old timers are the smartest cops in Chicago! Why? Their guns were privately registered in Cook County prior to 1982 and are exempt from all the BS laws Chicago would pass.

I was issued a Model 10 in 1979 while in the police academy. What a reliable, straight shooting firearm. We traded them in for Model 4506's in the late 80's. We were given the opportunity to purchase our Model 10's for 137.00. I didn't do it and regret it to this day. I don't believe any US departments currently issues Model 10's today.

I am 70 years old and started out with revolvers over 50 years ago. I carried revolvers on my guard jobs over 35 years. While they were only guard jobs I had to qualify as regularly with them as often as most police departments do. I have and still do own autos but I never was as fond or as familiar with them as revolvers. I probley have over two dozzen good DA revolvers to sort through to take with me on my outings. I do a lot of boondocking-trail rideing on our ATV. The gun that go`s with me the most is this old 1953 M&P. It`s as simple as it gets. Light to pack, I dont worry about scratching up my pythons or 27, and it`s this same gun that stays loaded in arms reach in the bed room. The exspendsive safe queens are locked in the safe. I wouldnt be surprised if some study was done and it was found that this gun held the most popular spot for a old time police revolver.

It's still being issued here in the Philippines especially in cebu city, model 10, 64 and 686's and our cops here in the city don't feel outgunned and they're really good w/ it. It's the city's local government unit that's issuing it to the local cops.

I'm from Pennsylvania, somewhat in the north, and I wonder the same thing...and what is the purpose of the restriction on the date of the gun itself?

mark

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Nice gun!. Years ago, I got my dad a 1971 M-10 like new in the box. He always wanted one (he simply refered to it as "THE .38 Special" or "The old policeman's revolver" as it's what he remembers fondly hanging on the belts of policemen growing up in Jackson, Mississippi and seeing in movies and tv. Everytime I refer to it as "your model 10" he looks at me like "my what?" and then elaborate "your Smith & Wesson .38" LOL!!
I got him a swivel holster on E bay for carry when he goes hiking in the woods. (Looking for a belt slide to hang it on now )

I'm sure the 10 and 64 "PD trade ins" on GunBroker have sparked many questions

I would bet my next paycheck any newer Model 10 (10-11, 10-14) or 64 (64-5 through -8) being sold as a PD trade in was most likely a security trade in. I would say the last Model 10 to be "issued" by any LE Agency would be 10-10's since these were made in the 1990's, when revolvers were still commonly used by police.

The trend is that PD's don't normally "issue" duty guns anymore, instead the Officers buy their own from an approved list and are reimbursed most or all of the cost. It saves having to worry about an armorer, inspections, maintenance, etc. The LEO is responsible for his-her own weapon.

Even a lot of security companies require their guards to buy their own guns, so you see a lot of Armscor and Taurus revolvers because at $2-300 it's $200 less than a Glock.

I have heard of a lot of 10-10's being used by foreign police such as Japan and Thailand. There have recently been a large lot of 66-7's traded in by an Australian PD.

I am pretty certain no 10-14's are being issued or even carried by any LEO's in the US........if a LEO is carrying a Model 10, he's probably older and the 10 would be an older model, and no younger Officer would carry a new production Model 10 nor would he probably even be allowed to. These days, if I see a LEO with something other than a Glock I'm surprised.........I saw a Deputy Sheriff with what looked like a 5906 and I was pleasantly surprised hahahaha

I saw a model 10 hanging off the hip of a LEO on the street in Lima, Peru not long ago.

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NYS dept of corrections took over the old glock 17's that were replaced by glocks in 45 gap caliber in the NY state police. as I understand it the 17's are used by memebers of the emergency reponse unit but the joe average prisoner transport guys still get model 10's.
When going through chicago ariport I noted about half the officers I saw on duty were carrying wheelguns.
In most PD's union rules often state that when the organization transitions to a new gun offiers trained with and carrying previous issue guns are allowed to continue to carry them if they choose.
I seriously doubt any organization in the U.S. is still issuing a revovler as standrad issue.
back in 2001 when I was working at ground zero as part of a military response unit the vast majority of officers I saw were still carrying wheel guns (doesn't seem like that could have been over 10 years ago now!)

Actually, about 4 or 5 years ago I saw a young policeman carrying a S&W K frame revolver with target grips (didn't ask the exact model, it was a quick insurance inspection checkpoint) in Sterlington, Louisiana. Last year I saw a young sheriff deputy in Union Parish, Louisiana carrying a S&W K frame with magna grips while escorting some prisoners out of the courthouse.

Friend of mine on the Quachita Parish Sheriff's department told me that you could carry a revolver if you wanted to as long as you qualified with it. But most police opted for an automatic.

About seven years ago I was speaking with a young deputy in Harris County, Texas who told me the Sheriff's department (unlike the Houston Police) still allowed their officers to buy and carry whatever they wanted, revolver or auto (although his choice was a Colt 1911A1 .45 Gov't)

I don't know of any. In my Department, I carry a Glock 21, 870 pump and a Colt M4 ( select fire ) while on duty. Lots of lead and a very cramped patrol car.

I know our parish sheriff's department seems to let the veteran officers carry the Model 64. From what I was told they went back to revolvers for a short time when their shipment of semi autos had numerous factory recalls. They issue Glocks now, but the ones who still carry the .38 say they can shoot much more accurately with it.

In the summer of 2009 my wife and I took a road trip up the East Coast to Boston. We spent several days in NYC visiting our daughters. We enjoyed walking around downtown seeing Times Square, etc. While at St. Patrick's Cathedral I saw a NYC policeman standing outside the main entrance. I noticed he was carrying what looked to be a plain S&W M-10 type revolver. It may have been a heavy barrel, but that I couldn't see. He was certainly armed with a revolver and it was certainly a S&W .38 Special. It had the larger S&W target type grips.

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As of last summer I noticed more than a couple 64's and one 10 on a day trip into Manhattan. I was surprised to say the least. I "think" the Tennessee Department of Corrections uses every form of state surplus on their perimeters.

It seems to me that once, a few years ago, during a court appearance here in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, I noticed one of the court deputies carrying a Smith & Wesson revolver. I remember commenting on it to my wife. I didn't notice what type, but it seems to me it was a nickeled Model 19.

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Check this out, it's a 10-14 with Dymondwood grips and what appears to be "CPD" with a number.

Could this be a PD marked 10-14?

I just heard back from the seller of this gun, it is marked "CFD" on the frame, not CPD..........I believe I have seen some 10-11's with the serial # on the frame like this, possibly as contract guns for a large security company so that the guns can be inventoried more easily.

The seller said the wood grips are original..........given that this appears to be a 2001 or so production, it seem odd that it would come from the factory with the Altamont Dymondwoods. Not like it matters, since they aren't numbered to the gun anymore, but it's not until the 10-14 became a "Classic series" that I thought they started putting Dymondwoods on them.

My old department issued leather, clarino (ugh), with a holster for the 4 inchModel 10. We purchased our own .38/.357 revolvers so we purchased a new holster to go with whatever revolver we carried. I used my Model 15 until I got a Model 66 through a department order. Still have both revolvers.

About two years ago, the TDOC transitioned to Glocks. A revolver-armed guard was killed by an inmate's wife, while two guards were transporting the inmate to court. Not sure how much difference it would have made to the murdered guard, but his partner would have more rounds to fire at the fleeing pair.

A pal was issued a 686 when he 1st started working for DPS TX Troopers and he shot it out against 2 baddies one nite on a lonely TX highway. One was drt, the other was doa short while later. When asked very soon after the shooting as to how many rounds he fired, he said maybe a cylinder and a half... the investigator said no, your gun and speed loaders were all empty(24 shots). Leads me to once again trust the mighty 357 in tight situations but maybe reconsider in some situations- say if there had been a 3rd purp and my lone friend had the more recent 357 auto and 3 magazines he maybe could've laid down 3 by his self with the extra ammo he would've had on hand.... many things happen in a split few short moments... thank goodness he was able to go right to training and keep reloading against 2 jerks who were bent to kill him simultaneously during a tail light failure stop because they also had a trunk full of drugs and neither wanted to go back to prison.

I went to a doctors appointment last month, and saw a MDOC inmate transfer crew. The Officer looked to be carrying either a S&W m64 or m65. I can't say that I have ever seen MDOC transport Officers armed with anything but S&W revolvers.

The Police Chief here where I live carries a nickel S&W 586 4".

At my old Department they would issue you a S&W m66 4", or you could buy your sidearm of your choosing. As long as you could qualify with it, you could carry it.

'round here the most dangerous jobs the Chiefs Of Police and County Sheriffs do is escort unruly council members from city & county council meetings. Those jobs tend to occupied by politicians rather than real cops. They could easily get by with one of those fake blue or pink practice guns.

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Not this one. He still helps answer calls with the troops.

Another one of my posts that was totally destroyed by the loss of the photos included within when IMAGECAVE decided to cave. Now restored with the photos replaced.

The Virginia Museum of Fine Arts PD (yes, they have their own PD) carries M64 Smiths in Safariland holsters. I visited the museum several months ago and was actually shocked to see revolvers carried in uniform..I thought I was traveling back in time..
As long as the troops are happy, life is good...BTW, most of these guys are retirees from larger local police departments and sheriff's offices.

The Virginia Museum of Fine Arts PD (yes, they have their own PD) carries M64 Smiths in Safariland holsters. I visited the museum several months ago and was actually shocked to see revolvers carried in uniform..I thought I was traveling back in time..
As long as the troops are happy, life is good...BTW, most of these guys are retirees from larger local police departments and sheriff's offices.

Hong Kong changed over to Glocks back when their used Model 10s were brought back into the US several years ago.

I still see more than few Miami-Dade officers young and old carrying various 4" S&W revolvers in 38 Special /357 magnum. They do not issue revolvers anymore but they are all allowed to carry them if they can qualify with them.

Back 20 years ago HK airport police patrol were carrying Browning P-35 and H&K MP5SD.

Tyrod it sounds like you might be from Columbus, MS.

The Florida Dept. of Corrections still uses Smith 38's for basic issue handgun. It is the basic sidearm and when I worked there (mid-90's) every officer qualified with it yearly. Most were heavy barrel model 10's with the pachmyer grips but sometimes they would bring out the old skinny barrels and wooden grips. I remember seeing a model 15 once. The special units (k-9, CERT, full time transport) were issued 5906's after a three day crossover, but they are some institutions that have M&P 9's.

The academy I adjunct at uses Sig 226's (going to Glock 17's soon) for basic firearms training, then familiarizes with Model 10's. Most of the students end up liking the 38's after firing them.

Those were contracted security guys that FPS oversees. Their duty gun was a DAK Sig P229 in 357 Sig. I think they just changed again.