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Old 05-13-2014, 12:09 AM
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I like to think I know a bit about M29s. I've had them in 8 3/8, 6 1/2 and 6 inch barrels. Callahan uses a 6 1/2" in every movie but the last one, when a 6'' was used. He lost his gun in the bomb at the end of Magnum Force, and when it was kicked into the ocean near the end of Sudden Impact. By '88, when The Dead Pool came out S&W no longer made the 29 in 6 1/2'' so Harry took one with a 6''. All blue steel and all 6 1/2" till the last flick. And I'm tired of pointing this out...
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I like to think I know a bit about M29s. I've had them in 8 3/8, 6 1/2 and 6 inch barrels. Callahan uses a 6 1/2" in every movie but the last one, when a 6'' was used. He lost his gun in the bomb at the end of Magnum Force, and when it was kicked into the ocean near the end of Sudden Impact. By '88, when The Dead Pool came out S&W no longer made the 29 in 6 1/2'' so Harry took one with a 6''. All blue steel and all 6 1/2" till the last flick. And I'm tired of pointing this out...
You dug up a 4 year old thread that nobody had posted to in 2 years for this?
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One thing Eastwood's character admitted in Magnum Force was that he had it loaded with .44 special rounds.
I don't remember that...why would ANYONE choose to load a M-29 with ammo producing 350 lb-ft versus 900+ lb-ft?

Dont' even pretend to say "recoil" and all that reduced loads BS....in the MOVIE, Dirty Harry was all about the Magnum load!
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As big a fan of DH as I am, I have to chuckle at the sound track when he shot those light loads.

They were ALWAYS magnums on the sound track.
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Geeze Clint , say it right . That has caused a lot of grief . Next time I watch :"Play Misty for me" I'm rooting for the crazy woman .
Now that is one creepy woman and one scary movie....I still get upset just thinking about her and that knife. Saw it on the big screen in a dark theater on a date with my girl . She didn't like the movie either. Been married 41 years now!
Some times when she's in the kitchen , cutting up something for dinner I'll ask her if she wants me to "play misty for her" she gives me "The Look" .
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Really, how can a topic on Dirty Harry NOT be relevant?
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A friend's father is an old prop master and he confirmed that until the late 1980's 44 mag guns were modified to fire 45LC blanks. It is still possible to find an old Colt or Great Western revolver that will hold 45LC blanks and have a 38 spl opening at the front of the cylinder.
For your info, the DH M29s were from a prop house in Hollywood by the name of Ellis Mercantile, I know cause that's where I started my TA business in the 80s.

The 29s were 6 1/2", I shot them.

Since the 1950s the blank used is called a 5in1.

It fits the 44 mag, 44 special, 45 Colt, 44-40 and 38-40 (maybe he confused this round although a 38-40 is actually close to 40 caliber..)

It wasn't till the mid 90s that more individual blanks were made, in fact 5in1s are still used, alot.

Used them two weeks ago on "BONES".

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No one asked but I watched Dirty Harry on my VCR and counted the number of rounds in the opening sequence. Four.
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No one asked but I watched Dirty Harry on my VCR and counted the number of rounds in the opening sequence. Four.
Watch it again.
The first two shots are obvious. Then you hear, but do not see him fire at the car as it starts to drive away/towards him, shot #3. Then you see him shoot, two times at the car, #'s 4 and 5. Finally, when the car is on its side, the last bad guy out of the bank gets round #6.
Then again, the bad guy jumping out of the car, once it is on it's side, gets off a shot too. That actually adds to the confusion.
I just dug out, and watched this movie (again) the day before this thread started, a classic.
I did the round count thing too.

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Yep, paused the dvd and zoomed in on the gun.
Pause the DVD at 14:02 to 14:03. Advance 1 frame at a time.
At 14:04, the pin is extremely obvious. It shows up easily again at 14:32
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Oh, and lets not forget what this movie is really all about...Hot Mary

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Once again, I feel compelled as I was a year or so ago to clear up the entire controversy.

First, Clint's not as big as he looks on screen; he's actually quite diminutive.

Second, because of his size, a Model 19 6-inch .357 was used throughout the series but consistently referred to as a Magnum .44.

It was all just movie magic that for decades has fooled all but the most discerning. Case closed!
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It fits the 44 mag, 44 special, 45 Colt, 44-40 and 38-40
Wikipedia says a 5-in-1 blank will work in a .410 shotgun, too.
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I liked the movies.....and I like my pre-29 even better.....
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I watched Dirty Harry and Magnum Force. At the end of Dirty Harry when Clint goods thru the whole '' I know what your thinking'' line,you get a really good look at his 29,and it as a pinned barrel. When Magnum Force starts Clint is holding his 29 for several minutes and all you see is the side of the gun. That 29 does not have a pinned barrel. I always thought he used the same 44 in all the Dirty Harry movies. Anyone have info or knowledge on the different guns used?
Hello, I am Dirty Harry fan living in Asia. Sorry for digging out the old thread, but I would like to share this pic found in the internet.
The M29 is pinned.
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Accurifle, I hope you realize anything on the internet can be fudged(not REAL)?
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Why, that's not possible. They can't put anyting on the internet that isn't true! I saw it on a TV commercial.

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Hi, I myself captured two pics from Magnum Force opening video in Youtube just now. There is a pin.
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Took this picture several years ago at Camp Perry when the NRA had some of Eastwood's movie guns on display. Glare is from the gun being under glass. The emblem on the grip is to John Milius and Clint Eastwood.



Colt Walker repro's from "The Outlaw Josey Wales".


From "Pale Rider".


And from "Tightrope".

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Thanks for that pic, now maybe once and for all the stupid, wrong info floating around out there can be put to rest......... Ahahahah, sometimes I just crack myself up!

Regardless I hope everyone has a safe and meaningful Memorial Day/weekend. I know you guys get the true meaning.
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Just another reason to join the NRA ...

Dirty Harry's Model 29: America's Shooting Star - American Rifleman
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Well I don't wanna throw yall into a tizzy but just this very afternoon I purchased...can you guess?...and I have an afterdavid to prove that I now own that very model 29 from the poster or did he say holster!

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The grips are clearly product placement Coke grips. You gotta do your research befours you bye...




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MrTrolleyguy, please post your affidavit? Who's it from? First I've heard of this.
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I argued this with my buddy he has a 8 3/8" barreled m29 that he swears was used in the movie. I say it was a 6 1/2" barrel.

Now I'm thinking possibly when he has the bad guy on the ground with the barrel in his face the camera shot is up the barrel. Could this be a 8 3/8" barrel making it just look bigger. The 45 caliber did cross my mind for the appearence of a bigger bore. Of course if it wasn't done, like you guys say is correct did they have some sort of photo shop in those days? I swear in some shots the barrel looks longer than 6 1/2"?
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Lens to subject distance has a big influence on the relative sizes of things in the image. The classic example is a straight on portrait taken close up - noses get huge and ears get tiny, and the closer the camera was the bigger the nose seems. Because we all know intutitively the relative sizes of ears and noses, the close up shot with the (relatively) big nose also makes the whole head seem like it's really "deep."

Same thing will happen with a gun barrel pointed at the lens - the closer it is to the lens, the bigger the muzzle will look, AND the (relatively) smaller cylinder will make it feel like the barrel must be a really long one.
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Took this picture several years ago at Camp Perry when the NRA had some of Eastwood's movie guns on display. Glare is from the gun being under glass. The emblem on the grip is to John Milius and Clint Eastwood.

Do you remember if the badge is inlaid into the grip or just screwed on top? My friend had a replica made and isn't convinced it's inlaid into the wood.

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A S&W M57 in .41 magnum was actually used in the first DH movie if I recall correctly.
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This will be the myth that never dies. My head hurts, believe whatever.
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I got the DVD from the county library and watched that part again. Six it is.
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Some day this forum will put up a "sticky" on the Dirty Harry "magnum" and straighten out all the misinformation ... then again that would only be effective if folks were to read it.

Oh well.....
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I got the DVD from the county library and watched that part again. Six it is.
I cannot believe that you can belong to the S&W Forum and not have all the Dirty Harry films on DVD! For that matter Clint Eastwood DVD's in general, I have an entire shelf just for his DVDs!
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I agree, there should be a Dirty Harry myths sticky somewhere.

Can anyone bust or confirm this one I read on the Inet?

Frank Sinatra was originally envisioned in the role of Harry Callahan, but he couldn't wield the M-29 due to an old wrist injury.

Supposedly, the lead was then offered to John Wayne, who declined to take on a Sinatra reject.

Now Dirty Harry is unquestionably Clint's character, but I have this mental of The Duke or Blue Eyes delivering the line "Well do ya, punk?", and it's pretty dang powerful.

I've compared the two "True Grit" versions and think the re-make is better made and better-acted, especially the role of LaBoeuf. But for entertainment, the raw strength of The Duke in the original does it for me.
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I was lucky and ran into John Milius, who wrote "Dirty Harry". We were in the Colt booth at the NRA Show in Reno some years back. I asked him about Sinatra's connection to "Dirty Harry".

Milius related that he had been called up and asked to meet with Frank who wanted to see "the gat". Frank had just had some surgery to his right hand and the scars were evident. Milius showed Frank the Model 29, and Sinatra looked it over without much comment. By the time Milius got home Frank had withdrawn from the project. Shortly thereafter Clint Eastwood was hired.

I regret not asking Milius what barrel length pistol he showed Frank. It is my understanding that Harry was originally supposed to carry a 4 inch revolver.
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I cannot believe that you can belong to the S&W Forum and not have all the Dirty Harry films on DVD! For that matter Clint Eastwood DVD's in general, I have an entire shelf just for his DVDs!
Yes, I have failed once again. I do have access to two county library systems and Netflix, however, so I can watch Clint anytime I like. I also have a 19, 36, 63, 66 and an M&P 15 (and used to have a 29) so I feel that allows me to partake of the Forum, as if one really needs a reason. FWIW, I like "Joe Kidd" and "High Plains Drifter" for his location use of the Eastern Sierras.

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What, no pictures!!!





See he is obviously not much taller than an orangutan.




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In his later years, Clint's height was reduced to 6'2" (188 cm) from normal elderly spinal compression. But in his youth, Clint (born was measured at a legitimate 6'4 ...
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Been there, done that. I went from 6' 2 3/4" at age 25, down to 5' 11 1/2" at age 69. Time can be very unfriendly to those of us who are well-stricken in years.
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Been there, done that. I went from 6' 2 3/4" at age 25, down to 5' 11 1/2" at age 69. Time can be very unfriendly to those of us who are well-stricken in years.
Yes, but it still beats being a tall corpse.

I never knew that one of the Colt Walker replicas in "Josie Wales" was the same revolver that Kim Darby used in "True Grit", though. Interesting.
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Let's move along people, nothing to see here, it's just a movie.
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I argued this with my buddy he has a 8 3/8" barreled m29 that he swears was used in the movie. I say it was a 6 1/2" barrel.

Now I'm thinking possibly when he has the bad guy on the ground with the barrel in his face the camera shot is up the barrel. Could this be a 8 3/8" barrel making it just look bigger. The 45 caliber did cross my mind for the appearence of a bigger bore. Of course if it wasn't done, like you guys say is correct did they have some sort of photo shop in those days? I swear in some shots the barrel looks longer than 6 1/2"?
From what I have read numerous times over the years is that an 8-3/8" M29 was used only for promotional posters and ads.
Harry Callahan never used anything but a 6-1/2" M29 like mine.
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I read somewhere that he actually used a model 15 in 45 Colt.

Guys, those were movies... it does not matter.
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Having seen that gun every day for the past year and a half, I can assure you that it is indeed a Model 29, the barrel is pinned, and it still chambers a .44 Mag round with no problem.
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Dirty Harry wore argyle socks in the chase scenes to create more excitement. When he was driving around, he wore "gold toes" white socks. He was paid handsomely by the argyle confederation.
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From what I have read numerous times over the years is that an 8-3/8" M29 was used only for promotional posters and ads.
Harry Callahan never used anything but a 6-1/2" M29 like mine.
Wrong,he used a 6 inch 29-2 in sudden Impact ,and the Dead Pool.
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They were going to use a Glock 17 at first, but there were two problems.
It hadn't been produced yet.
And it caused problems with a line that they really wanted to use.

"Uh uh. I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire seventeen shots or only sixteen?" Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a 9 mm, the most common handgun in the world and would likely penetrate your skull, you've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?"

Yea, it kinda looses some of the "punch"!

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No its not!!! How can you say its make believe? Everytime on TV is real, aint it???
Everything on the internet is real. Lol
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Wrong,he used a 6 inch 29-2 in sudden Impact ,and the Dead Pool.
Nope. You're the wrong one. He always used the 6-1/2".
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Nope. You're the wrong one. He always used the 6-1/2".
Go back and look at the several still pictures from both movies ,you will be able to see its a 6 inch.Or better yet post them here so that others may confirm that for you.Not withstanding the special one cut to .45 bore for dramatic muzzle effect in the coffee shop scene in Sudden Impact.
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Never trust those French models... "Bon Jour"; indeed!!!
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