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Old 04-24-2012, 10:59 PM
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I am talking configuration, not Calibre...

I am a big fan of handguns with adjustable sights.

However I have been using a S&W Bodyguard since 1972 and it has shot great, I have killed rabbits and snakes withh it ans I have qualified 100% on my Depts qual course, that included shots at 25 yards.

For quite a while I have debated getting a S&W 44 Mag Snubbie.

I was torn between fixed sights and Adj sights...

Then I got a S&W 325 NG in 45 ACP. It has a large front glow in the dark sight and the Cyllinder and slide rear sight, that is well rounded, and non snagging.

I like the fact that there are no sharp edges in this revolver, AND that the "fixed" sights are BIG and easy to pick up, day or night.

I have carried and shot this gun a lot, I handle it every day, as I keep it under my pillow every night, I have carried it in my front pants pocket, and in coat/vest pockets as well as a holster.

I am thinking that the sights on the Night Guard Series of Revolvers just might be the best choice for all round use on an N Frame Snubby.

Especially if you carry it in places other than a belt holster.

As I under stand it the Cylinder and Slide rear sight is a drop in replacement for the standard S&W adj sight.

Also when it comes to a 41 or a 44 Mag Snubbie, is the Scandium frame or a steel frame the best overall choice???

Personally I find the 325 NG ok to shoot with full power 230gr and 185gr +p ammo. I love its light weight.

I will also say that the 4" 329 with full power 44 Mag ammo is Brutal.
I think it is too much [ie to light] of a good thing...

If a person really plans on needing to shoot full power loads in his 41/44Magnum Snubby, a steel frame gun might be a better choice...

Just some Random Thoughts...
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:29 PM
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I agree with you on the steel frame in 44's and 45's. I'm partial to my M24-3 3", but I wish Cylinder and Slide made their Heavy Duty rear sight for the older S&W's, as I really like it. One nice thing about the 44spl, as compared to a .357 Magnum, is the muzzle blast and flash aren't nearly as annoying out of a short barreled revolver.

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My only snubby N-frames are my 2 5/8" PC627 UDRs. I find their orange ramp easier to pick up in very low light, as in my bedroom, hall, etc, at night, lit by night lights and light leakage from outside street lights, than the night sights on either my 60 Pro or Governor, both equipped with tritium Night Sights. The NS's glow is noticeable in total darkness... but how do you identify friend from foe under such circumstances? Keep in mind, my eyes are 'mature' (63) - it may just be me.

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For a fixed sight you must adjust your loads to the gun. For adj you can shoot from mild to wild and adjust the sights to the load. For this reason I would go with adjustable if you plan on shooting at things past typical SD ranges with this firearm.
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I prefer the all steel guns. My N snubbie is a 24-3.

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prior to the release of the Night Guard series my vote would have gone to the 2" pug nosed N-frames




I also like adjustable sights and when the 45 caliber N-frames came out I grabbed 4 extra barrels with the intent of building a few with adjustable sights. Just have not got around to it yet.

The Night Guards are a GREAT value. Obviously Scandium framed revolvers are not intended for hours at the range. But they do carry easy and pack lots of punch.



I have a 310NG, 327NG and 357NG. The 310 (like my 610s) has been opened up to accept 10MM Magnum along with 10MM Auto or 40 S&W in the cylinder. This gives you a moon clip fed revolver with full Magnum power.

Yes I did say 10MM Magnum.
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I prefer the 3" bbl. 610, for my 'N-frame' snubbie.

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I really like the weight of the steel in my 625-3 but I wish I could add the D&L rear sight to it.



I need to get off my butt and find a good holster for it.
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That is one NICE 625 Max. I hope to find one just like it.
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It's not perfect, but it will do until perfect comes along...
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I like my steel frame.
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I prefer the all steel guns. My N snubbie is a 24-3.

Sir, I would like to say that you taste in leather and steel is of the highest caliber.
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prior to the release of the Night Guard series my vote would have gone to the 2" pug nosed N-frames
Yes I did say 10MM Magnum.
I too have a 310NG, but holy cannolli, colt_saa, 10mm magnum!?! Full power 10mm is about all I can handle though that light weight N-Frame.
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This is my favorite

That big bore looks like a J frame in your big mitt.
I guess this M625 would be my favorite N frame snubbie. Come to think of it I think it's my only N frame snub nose and it's a 3"er, unless I count the 3.5" M27s. Naw, let's keep it 3" or less.
I think I need to go shopping.
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I prefer the 3" bbl. 610, for my 'N-frame' snubbie.

Sweet looking!
Anybody know where I can get a knife like that?
It's a SOG, don't remember the name.
I had one and loved it but I gave it to a friend of mine about 8yrs ago and have missed it since...anybody know of one?
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NE450No2 - I concur with your thoughts and thought you might be interested in seeing my 325PD. This one was modified prior to the Night Guard series, with Bobbed hammer, C&S rear sight and big dot front. Rebound spring reduced and Mag na Ported. I carry it often in leather or pocket.




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I too have a 310NG, but holy cannolli, colt_saa, 10mm magnum!?! Full power 10mm is about all I can handle though that light weight N-Frame.
Both of my 610s were already opened up for 10MM Magnum so it only seamed natural to open the 310 up as well. My other Night Guards are 357 Magnum and 41 Magnum.

I do not take Night Guards to the range for extended sessions of target shooting. They are to protect my life when the SHTF. In that case I can take 6 shots of magnum with no trouble.

I must have a dozen or more Scandium revolvers. I have been putting full power 357 Magnums through my 340 for almost a decade now. Not fun to shoot, but with practice it is nice to know that you can have that much power available.
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I'm with the steel 24 3" crowd, though I would like to see a fixed sight variant. I like fixed sights but I hate the 1/2 moon front sight, my eyes work better with a ramp style front.
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My choice for an N frame snubbie is my .45 acp 625..
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My N-frame snubby of choice:



Great combo of firepower, capacity, and balance. I wish it had a more rounded rear sight, but not at the expense of the adjustable feature - too varied of types of ammo employed.

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Here is my snubbie, a 629 PC model.



I'm glad you mentioned the C&S replacement sight as I have been getting annoyed with the adjustable sights hanging up on my pocket. I may just have to get a set of the fixed sights.

I'm not a huge fan of the grips that came on my 629. I tried some Pachmayrs but they reduced my trigger reach too much.
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Here is my snubbie, a 629 PC model.



I'm glad you mentioned the C&S replacement sight as I have been getting annoyed with the adjustable sights hanging up on my pocket. I may just have to get a set of the fixed sights.

I'm not a huge fan of the grips that came on my 629. I tried some Pachmayrs but they reduced my trigger reach too much.
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Here is the 310NG in a Lobo Leather OWB holster. Great for winter wear under a coat. I have installed "the plug", C&S firing pin and Miculek spring kit. It fuctions flawlessly with an 8 lb. DA trigger pull.
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i carry my 3" 657 41 mag the most...love that gun!i do have a m29-3 three inch as well
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I am quite partial to this one myself; 3" 29-3 with a SDM Gold Bead front sight.
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A couple of questions for you, Sir, if you please?

Which Lobo holster is that? I've been looking at Lobo for a while now for a holster for my 629PC.

What is "the plug"?
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After removing the internal lock from a new Smith, you "plug" the whole on the side with a device called the Plug which is for sale right here on the Forum. It is more a matter of aesthetics than function, but the folks that have it seem to like it. Try using the search function, and I am sure you can find more.
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This is my favorite of all time. I worked Katrina claims in New Orleans with one of these in my pocket at all times.
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I find it hard to choose just one. It depends on what I'm wearing and how much weight I feel like hauling around and if I feel like more shots or bigger boolits that day.

625-10


629-6


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Who made that holster?!

I think I just found my next purchase...
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I know, I know, everybody's seen it before but here it is again. My favorite/ideal N-frame snubby is this Behlert M25-2.

Solo-


And posing with a Behlert Mini .45.
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WC145, I'll never get tired of seeing those two.

Rangerone, that looks like one of keith44spl's(Dave) holsters.
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I sure wish Pachmayr would make N frame Compac Pros. They feel great on K/L frame guns, and with the multitude of RB N frames out there, they would sell a few. But they seem about as progressive as rain forest tribes.
Nice guns everyone, BTW. Should post pics of my two PC 2 5/8 ers, the 627 and 629.
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Pretty close to ideal for me would be an N frame snubbie Airweight (alloy), round butt, 9 or 10 shot, .327 Magnum, sights like the Night Guard series, 3" or 3.5" barrel and blued (not black).
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I sure wish Pachmayr would make N frame Compac Pros. They feel great on K/L frame guns, and with the multitude of RB N frames out there, they would sell a few. But they seem about as progressive as rain forest tribes.
Nice guns everyone, BTW. Should post pics of my two PC 2 5/8 ers, the 627 and 629.
I too would love a set of N frame Compac Pros. I just got a set of the Compacs and they add too much trigger reach. Think I'll try a set of Ahrends.
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prior to the release of the Night Guard series my vote would have gone to the 2" pug nosed N-frames




I also like adjustable sights and when the 45 caliber N-frames came out I grabbed 4 extra barrels with the intent of building a few with adjustable sights. Just have not got around to it yet.

The Night Guards are a GREAT value. Obviously Scandium framed revolvers are not intended for hours at the range. But they do carry easy and pack lots of punch.



I have a 310NG, 327NG and 357NG. The 310 (like my 610s) has been opened up to accept 10MM Magnum along with 10MM Auto or 40 S&W in the cylinder. This gives you a moon clip fed revolver with full Magnum power.

Yes I did say 10MM Magnum.
Tell me more about the 10mm Magnum.I am ignorantof this development. Have the 610 and the 310NG, plus a Kimber Auto and Glocks. Love the 10mm- the Mag interests me -(I can reload)
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29-4, 3"

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I prefer the all steel guns. My N snubbie is a 24-3.

Wow, others like the leather... am I the only one to notice these highly figured stocks? Nice. Clean Break
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Are we talking about palm pistols?

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I've shot or handled almost all the Ns under 3.5" and the best balanced shooter has to be the 24/624 Combat Special.... I carried one the last two years with Dallas PD and had no problem qualifying with 100. With the round butt, shorter cylinder and slim barrel it just balances better than any other big bore...at least to me that is. I have a 657 3" and wish it had the slim barrel....







But when it comes to "lite" I think NE and ENH have hit it on the nose. The .45 ACP is a proven fight stopper without having to go to the higher velocities of lesser calibers and its consequences of more recoil and muzzle blast. In addition if ones needs the extra power one can run .45 Super from these guns. I've spoken with the techs at Buffalo Bore and lots of their customers are running Supers through their .45 S&W revolvers including the tech I spoke with. But one really doesn't need it as the +P .45s will work just as well....

Being a .41 Magnum shooter I bought one of the 357PD Airlites and had planned on buying a 357 Nightguard but other purchases kept getting in the way...then S&W discontinued them... The wholesaler my dealer uses had some left at $735.00 but I was still balking... Then last week I walked into a big shop in Connecticut and there on the shelf was a brand new one for....$599.99....and out the door it went....





The Paycmayer Compacts on the gun have come off and replaced with a set of newer flat style Combats, just ordered "The Plug" from Bullseye Smith to get rid of the IL, the trigger return spring will be replaced with a 13# and the hammer spur will be removed when the gun is apart....

S&W should offer an aftermarket spurless hammer for these guns....

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Hey there Clean Break! I have small hands and these magnas from Keith Brown work just right for me.
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S&W should offer an aftermarket spurless hammer for these guns....

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I agree...I've been looking for one.
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I wish Crimson Trace would make a compact grip for the N frame! I've called them and they said they need more consumer interest...and BTW you can post on their site about interests...hint hint...

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