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Just bought a 642 today to augment my Glock 27 in an off duty role. First, it's perfect, much lighter than the 36 I used to have and no hammer to snag and tear my pockets.

The only issue I have is that my HKS speedloaders bind and don't work. ??? Am I just special or does anyone else have this issue. I'm getting the cylinder open all the way and I don't think they're hanging up on the grips. The HKS speedloaders worked great with the 36 so I was kinda shocked.

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It could be the grips, but I doubt it. J frame's tolerances are just too tight for a lightning fast speedloader reload. What I would suggest is lose the HKS loader and switch to a Safariland Comp I loader.

With the Safariland, you can insert a couple of rounds and turn the cylinder with your fingers while pushing on the loader. Safariland speedloaders release the rounds by the little device in the middle when it comes in contact with the cylinder's star instead of a knob like the HKS.

Once enough rounds are in the charge holes and the loader is satisfied with it's chambering, it will jetison the cartridges by itself. You can then close the cylinder and the loader will fall away from the gun, putting you back into the game/fight.
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I had problems with both HKS and Safariland speedloaders. With the HKS loaders I was trying to insert the rounds all the way into the cylinder until the speedloader was touching the cylinder. The rounds would then hang up and not drop into the cylinder without some additional help. The best method I found was to hold the cylinder in my left hand with the gun at a slight angle so the barrel is pointing towards my left foot. Turn the cylinder so two empty chambers are on the outside (away from the gun). Hold the speedloader at a slight angle so that the speedloader is not touching the grip. Insert bullets into the two outside chambers and then the other bullets will line up with the other three chambers. Only insert the bullets of the rounds into the cylinder (not the entire round) and don't let the speedloader touch the grip. Turn the HKS knob and let go of the speedloader. The rounds will fall freely into the cylinder and the speedloader falls on the floor. With a little practice it works every time. I hope I was able to explain the details well enough. Good luck.

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Shot my model 60 in a backup gun IDPA match the other day. I used a HKS speedloader with no problem. Factory grips with Tyler T-grip adapter.
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Show a pic of the gun so we could see the grips.
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I use HKS speedloaders with my M-642 with the grips that came on them. Yes, space is tight but I never had a real problem. Like an above poster said, don't try to force the loader all the way down into contact with the rear of the cylinder.
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Remove the grips & see if the speedloader will work..
I bet it will..
That'll give you the answer..
HKS #36 works in my 642..

The Newer S&W Grips have been giving alot of people trouble lately
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May I suggest Bianchi Speed Strips in lieu of any speedloader? They are flat and disapear in a pocket with no rattle or bulk. With a little practice they are about as quick. I have carried them since about 1985 and have grown to greatly prefer them. They also come in pairs and I'll often drop one in a trouser pocket and the other in a jacket on the same side. Even if I put two strips in one pocket it gives me twice the round-count of a speedloader while still making less bulk.
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Probably a grip issue. Headknocker has the right idea. Give that a try.

I like to reload my 642 by grabbing a second 642. On the days that I carry just one, I use an HKS or S.L. Variant. I've used the Comp I's in past also. Just practice with what you use.

If using Speed Strips, try loading them up with two rounds, a space and then two more rounds for a total of four rounds only. Gets you back in the fight quick.
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May I suggest Bianchi Speed Strips in lieu of any speedloader? They are flat and disapear in a pocket with no rattle or bulk. With a little practice they are about as quick. I have carried them since about 1985 and have grown to greatly prefer them. They also come in pairs and I'll often drop one in a trouser pocket and the other in a jacket on the same side. Even if I put two strips in one pocket it gives me twice the round-count of a speedloader while still making less bulk.
One sometimes falls into thinking that something that works better on the range for qaul or competition is also good for the street. The range is, after all, where we do the vast majority of our shooting. Such is not always the case, of course.
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I like to reload my 642 by grabbing a second 642. On the days that I carry just one, I use an HKS or S.L. Variant. I've used the Comp I's in past also. Just practice with what you use.

If using Speed Strips, try loading them up with two rounds, a space and then two more rounds for a total of four rounds only. Gets you back in the fight quick.
You a New York reloader too? A model 60 on the hip and a 649 in the pocket for me.

I kinda load my strips the same way. I load two, skip one, load three. That space between does give you more controlability. Of course, loading 5 and leaving the last one by the little plastic tail gives you a little more control as well, but I prefer the skip one method.
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My 642 does that:stick the speed loader in and it gets stuck against the grips.

I like the factory grips,but I may need to change them because of this.
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Try the MAXFire. Purchase them from Dillon. Again, try the MaxFire!!!!!
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What you most likely have here is a grip problem. With a J Frame, it's just the nature of the beast.

The compact Safariland J Frame loaders are the best that I have ever used for speedloading a J Frame .38 Special. If the Safariland doesn't work for you, then you'll probably need to carve away the grips until they do or else buy new grips.

S. L. Variant loaders are almost impossible to find these days. I have a few for the K Frame that I bought years ago and they never impressed me a whole lot. I don't bother with them anymore.

I use the Speed Strip primarily for carrying different types of ammo that I might need to use, like shot cartridges. If you think you're going to effectively reload a revolver with a Speed Strip while under fire, you're kidding yourself. On the other hand, if you can not get a speedloader to work at all, then a Speed Strip is better than nothing.

I have used the Maxfire under match conditions and found that it does not work very well for a FAST reload. At least not as well as a speedloader. But I would choose it over a Speed Strip any day.

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My wifes Model 60 LS doesn't accept HK or Safari speedloaders either with the factory grips. She like the factory grips, so changing them out was out of the question. We went with speed strips, which she likes better because you can carry them much easier than speedloaders.

FWIW the speedloaders didn't fit into my father's Ruger 101 either, grips also got in the way.
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I too have had difficulty with the Safariland Comp I speedloaders in my J-frames, with several kinds of grips. Went with the speed strips, 5-loaded!
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For many years (decades) I carried speed strips, but finally switched to speed loaders (HKS, then Safariland) because the loaders work much better in dim light.

On a well-lit range, I can use speed strips very nearly as quickly as a loader. But if it's dark, the strips get pretty hopeless after the first couple of rds. I tried putting only 4 rds in the strip, or leaving an empty space in the middle, but nothing really made them work well for me.

The loaders are much more comfortable and much less obvious than I expected, in my pocket.

I do need to be careful with the loaders, the factory Bantam grips on my 340PD will block the loader if I don't position it correctly.

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Speedloaders are the answer IMHO.Load them with 2 on each end,which leaves the middle open for the thumb.
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STAY AWAY FROM THE MAXFIRE SPEEDLOADER!!! Some users have bent the crane on their J frames using then. Go to snubnosetraining.com and click onto Michael's blog. I've tried them all including the S.L. Variant (Bobby Macs- Just snub holsters carries them). They are truly amazing and possibly worth the $30 they retail for. I'm also very happy with Dade speadloaders. There's a guy on Ebay that makes them now. I like both better than the HKS. My primary J frames have been altered for moon clips. The problem with moon clips for a reload is how to carry them. The clips for .38 special are thin and bend easy.
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Hello all,

Just bought a 642 today to augment my Glock 27 in an off duty role. First, it's perfect, much lighter than the 36 I used to have and no hammer to snag and tear my pockets.

The only issue I have is that my HKS speedloaders bind and don't work. ??? Am I just special or does anyone else have this issue. I'm getting the cylinder open all the way and I don't think they're hanging up on the grips. The HKS speedloaders worked great with the 36 so I was kinda shocked.

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I had exactly the same problem with my own 642. However, I had already been using HKS speedloaders with my old Model 60, and also a very old Model 36. That Model 60 has been wearing Uncle Mike's-made boot grips for many, many years, and has never bound up, or hung up. So, I removed the S&W-marked/made boot grips from my 642 and replaced them with my old Uncle Mike's version of that same grip. VOILA! Problem solved. So, emboldened by my success, I found a pair of NIB Uncle Mikes J-frame boot grips, on 'the Bay, and bought them. Like my own older Uncle Mike's, the NOS ones fit my 642 perfectly, and the HKS speedloaders now work just fine with that little shooter, too, just like they do with my M60. For what it's worth, I think that, when those S&W versions of that grip were made, something changed just enough to cause the problems that you are having, and I had. Try an older pair of Uncle Mike's boot grips, and I'm betting that your 642 will work just fine with HKS speedloaders, just as did my own. Take care, and God Bless!

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I had trouble using the HKS speedloader on my Taurus 85, just trimmed the rubber a bit and it works fine. I also have Speed Strips as a backup.


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I think it does depend on the grips....I have Hogue Monogrips on all of mine and all the speedloaders I own work with them.
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I agree as well, grips make a difference. I didn't try the speedloader w/ my 442 factory grips, but it loads OK w/ the LG-405 laser grips I have on now.
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I would like to add my comments on the new Safariland Comp 1 speedloader for J frame Smith and Wesson revolvers. I own 6 J frames in various model stainless model 60,642, both 38 and 357 with either Ergo grips,Spegel boot grips or Packmayr compac. This speedloader is too wide for this frame gun,period!! I played with it for about one hour and even called Safariland to no avail. Before you ask,yes,I removed the grips to have a naked empty gun in front of me and when properly loaded,the speed loader will not clear the frame enough for the rounds to drop into the five charge holes in order for the "star" wheel to activate the release mechanism. This loader needs to bottom out on the center ejector star in order for proper release. I bought 2 on Amazon for $11 each and promptly returned them. The package is marked for use by Charter and SW model 60 revolvers and has CJ-7 model number emblazoned on the blister packed card. My call to Safariland fell on deaf ears as their comment was "It should fit". Who else has this problem. I'm a 70 year old dealer with 40 years in the gun business. I'm frustrated on this supposedly new and unique loader as opposed to the HKS twist off type used for years albeit on larger framed guns of mine. Ted
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My 442, as well as my Model 38, both have the factory magna grips w/a TGrip and all HKS speed loaders work fine. Almost any other grip I've tried will interfere w/the speed loader. Normally I use a speed strip and keep the speed loaders in my truck, or use them for LEOSA qualification.
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I have the CT 405 grips on my jframe. Both HKS and Safariland comp 1's work as expected. I carry the comp 1 as my preference.
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I have Spegel boot grips on my 642 and never had problems with either HKS or Safariland Comp I speedloaders. I also have a set of PGS Hideout grips for the J-frame and neither type of speedloader worked well until I attacked the grips with a file and sandpaper. My personal preference is for Comp I speedloaders.

I keep meaning to try the S.L. Variant speedloaders but my Comp Is work well so I haven't felt the need to try them.

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I had exactly the same problem with my own 642. However, I had already been using HKS speedloaders with my old Model 60, and also a very old Model 36. That Model 60 has been wearing Uncle Mike's-made boot grips for many, many years, and has never bound up, or hung up. So, I removed the S&W-marked/made boot grips from my 642 and replaced them with my old Uncle Mike's version of that same grip. VOILA! Problem solved. So, emboldened by my success, I found a pair of NIB Uncle Mikes J-frame boot grips, on 'the Bay, and bought them. Like my own older Uncle Mike's, the NOS ones fit my 642 perfectly, and the HKS speedloaders now work just fine with that little shooter, too, just like they do with my M60. For what it's worth, I think that, when those S&W versions of that grip were made, something changed just enough to cause the problems that you are having, and I had. Try an older pair of Uncle Mike's boot grips, and I'm betting that your 642 will work just fine with HKS speedloaders, just as did my own. Take care, and God Bless!

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Doc has the right prescription. The S&W knock-offs of the original UM Boots are a smidge too thick at that point to allow the HKS loader. Take an X-acto (proper spelling?) knife and trim off a strip of the leather and the loader should operate properly. I find the HKS loaders function best when there is no pressure, altho some match shooters will properly contradict this. Also, they function most positively with RNL service ammo. YMMV.

I prefer the speed strips for the reasons an above poster gave. Flat, toss them into the pocket, no muss, no fuss. I load them fully with 6 rounds; I already have few enough rounds with a J-frame.

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Sort of old posts but on my 60-4 the Hogue type grips, as received from S&W when handgun was new, has a channel like cut or reduction on the left side of grips and allows for easy access of HKS speed loaders. Personally, I prefer the JII - 357/38 speed loaders from 5 Star Firearms--all machined aluminum not plastic and knob works in opposite direction of HKS. Warning, they cost more than the HKS. 5 Star Firearms - Home. Milrose
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It's an easy fix. I took my Grip off touched it against the grinding wheel of my bench grinder. The wheel fit perfect in the area were the Speed Loader would fit. It rounded out the area perfect and left just a few lines in the rubber.
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I had exactly the same problem with my own 642. However, I had already been using HKS speedloaders with my old Model 60, and also a very old Model 36. That Model 60 has been wearing Uncle Mike's-made boot grips for many, many years, and has never bound up, or hung up. So, I removed the S&W-marked/made boot grips from my 642 and replaced them with my old Uncle Mike's version of that same grip. VOILA! Problem solved. So, emboldened by my success, I found a pair of NIB Uncle Mikes J-frame boot grips, on 'the Bay, and bought them. Like my own older Uncle Mike's, the NOS ones fit my 642 perfectly, and the HKS speedloaders now work just fine with that little shooter, too, just like they do with my M60. For what it's worth, I think that, when those S&W versions of that grip were made, something changed just enough to cause the problems that you are having, and I had. Try an older pair of Uncle Mike's boot grips, and I'm betting that your 642 will work just fine with HKS speedloaders, just as did my own. Take care, and God Bless!

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THIS. I just had a 642 Pro with the factory grips they're putting on these days that wouldn't work with either the HKS or Safariland speed loaders. Just picked up a 1992 vintage 60 with the Uncle Mike's boot grips and both loaders work perfectly.

AND... Smith and Wesson has approx 200 sets still in stock on the "clearance" section of their store website at $15/set! You'll end up with a similar (better, to me, IMHO) grip on your gun and grips that work great with speed loaders.

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Sort of old posts but on my 60-4 the Hogue type grips, as received from S&W when handgun was new, has a channel like cut or reduction on the left side of grips and allows for easy access of HKS speed loaders. Personally, I prefer the JII - 357/38 speed loaders from 5 Star Firearms--all machined aluminum not plastic and knob works in opposite direction of HKS. Warning, they cost more than the HKS. 5 Star Firearms - Home. Milrose
+1 for the 5 Star Firearms speedloaders. One thing you might consider is on Jframes with the clearcoat finish (642's etc,) the anodized finish of the speedloader can mark up or scratch the surface. FYI
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Default HKS Speedloader will not work on my Model 36, with stock grips

while going over speedloader options for my '73 model 36 snub, i scoured this forum and found the following replies in topics "what speedloaders are best for j-frames", or "what speedloader for my model 36"

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* "The HKS speedloaders worked great with the 36"
* "The Newer S&W Grips have been giving alot of people trouble lately"
* "However, I had already been using HKS speedloaders with my old Model 60, and also a very old Model 36"
* "However I prefer hks speed loaders."
* "I don't always carry speedloaders, but when I do, they're made by HKS."
* "I also use HKS as everyone in the house is familiar with how to operate them"
* "I started with HTK and have reasonable success with them."
* "insert HTK and twist knob (or Safariland and push button), close cylinder, your good to go."
* "FWIW, I like HKS speedloaders"
* "I like the HKS, as I use those regardless of frame size."
* "The HKS unit, AWESOME build quality, specially since they costs less than the Safarilands, I love how easy it is to load the speedloader"
* "I've never had a problem with the function of the HKS."
* "HKS just keep on working, but it does take a little practice"

i had an HKS for a previous revolver, and it fit fine. HKS lists their 36A as designed for S&W model 36's.

based on what i read here, and what HKS said about their product, i picked one up.

it won't work, and here's a pic.
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Those are shoved in way too far. Hold the gun down, line up the bullets and dump them, use your thumb to hold the cylinder.

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With my carry 442, I had to trim part of my Pachmayr Compact grips to get speedloaders to work:


After trimming, speedloaders work great:
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