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Old 06-15-2010, 06:14 AM
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Default 629 Shoulder stock

Hi there,

Can you please help me finding someone selling a shoulder stock for the S&W Model 629-5 RB Revolver.
Does it even exist? I didn't find it on S&W's Website.
Would like to upgrade my scoped (Nikon Encore) Extreme Hunter 12" version from the Performance Center with it.
Surely would be nice, wouldn't it?

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Yes, it would be nice. Unfortunately, it would also be illegal. An attached stock on a handgun with less than a 16" barrel makes it a class III weapon (short barreled rifle).

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What Red9 said. There are many laws and regs on the books that made sense at the time they were implemented, perhaps, but once the rational for such has passed, they unfortunately remain in place.

I can't think of a reason in this day and time with what is available why something like that should be prohibited, but it still is.

The federal regulations stipulate minimum barrel lengths for rifles and shotguns and 1/8 of an inch on the wrong side of those can land you in old cold and stony . . . .
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Yes, it would be nice. Unfortunately, it would also be illegal. An attached stock on a handgun with less than a 16" barrel makes it a class III weapon (short barreled rifle).

Bob

Thank you Bob, did not know that!

I'm from Luxembourg(Europe) and this doesn't count over here.
But i guess that the problem will then be to export it!
Some years ago, we could buy all kind of accessories right from the net in the US. Today, everything is restricted :-(
Lately, AGI with their armorers videos and even Hogue for the grips told me of restrictions. Hogue however opened up a shop in Germany.
Our armorers have plenty of problems asking for replacement parts, too.

However i could buy Wolff Springs recently and i think i will stock up before that will be restricted, too. By the way, customer service on the phone was outstanding, delivery only a few days even to Luxemburg! Thank you Wolff Springs!

That said, parallel to this post, i asked an S&W Armorer in Germany to make me an offer for such a stock. Well, we'll see.
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Stefano,

Since you are outside the US, it would be perfectly legal for you to put a shoulder stock on your 629. The biggest issue would be burning your hand with the powder flash between the cylinder and forcing cone. You would have to be extremely careful where you placed your off hand (or wear a very thick glove!).
As to stocks, I have one and am toying with the idea of putting a 16" barrel on a .45 revolver. S&W's chemical devision made tear gas guns back in the 1970s that were build on N frame blanks. These came with shoulder stocks that fit a standard N frame square butt. I recently aquired one. It's smooth walnut with a rubber butt pad. I've tried it on a scrap, disassembled 1917 frame and it fits perfectly. When time and money allows, I'll make a revolving carbine out of it.
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Thank you Chris,

this should be the thing i'm looking for. I'll try to order one, keep you informed. S&W Chemical Division ? Ok, i just learned something.

I thought of that with the cylinder gap too and would go prudently into the first shots. One should hold the gun like usually including pressing it to the shoulder, that would be enough hold. It's no rifle, that's for sure.
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Default Chris could you post a pix of the stock/sans receiver please?

To the best of my knowledge I have never seen one.

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It is legal in America to make such a critter, complete an ATF Form 1, send your $200 bucks, and presto, instant legal short barreled rifle, provided your state is one of the states that allow possession of an SBR...
It is a relatively easy process...it just takes some $$, and a LOT of patience while you wait....
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Stephano, I'm not sure of the laws where you live, but you could be sitting in the cat bird seat (Slang here for a real good postion), by identifying a need where you are for parts etc. doing some research on licensing and manufacturing rights, getting up some operating capitol and a lot of hard work, you could be sitting on your own budding business.
Alot of people have started with what you are looking at and have become very rich. Figure out what is needed, how to make supplying it happen and see what comes of it.
Opportunity may be knocking.
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I also have been toying with the idea of a N frame carbine. I have built in the past a Luger Carbine in 9MM and two Buntline Specials one in .45LC and the other in .44 Magnum. All with 16 1/4 inch barrels just in case the ATF ruler is a little longer than mine. They all shoot pretty well. If I get a chance I'll take pictures and post later. I seen a K frame done in a collection in Claremont OK. Very well done and I have photos of that. Could you post a photo of the S&W gas gun shoulder stock so I know what I am looking for. I have a friend that's a major police supplier and I have him look for one for me. Thanks Frank Jr.
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S&W Model 276 Gas gun with shoulder stock

Smith & Wesson Model 276 Gas Gun - imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database
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Thank you all for the interesting input.

RD: Making business in guns and gears, thought of it a thousand times and in one occasion i was very close to acquire a gunshop togheter with an acquaintance. I'm glad to have retracted in time, markets in general and selling figures for gunshops went down a bit afterwards and the european arms regulations is not going to be easier.
Also, the internet helps provinding attractive prices and more and more shooters are using it, as i do, i admit! Same for buying guns, specialised auction sites as eGun - Der Marktplatz für Jäger, Schützen und Angler helps finding guns at reasonable prices, even if it lacks customer care.
Rather open up a "pizzeria" or "cafe" over here, still hard work, but far more easy to maintain.
Then again, a US Lady said: “I believe that one of life’s greatest risks is never daring to risk.”

Frank: would be interesting to see the photos, of course.
As for the S&W Shoulder stock, i wrote S&W as for it, let's see.
If you can get one, ask if i can get one, too :-)
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... saw that to late, thank you for the link !
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by the way, that's what i can get from KARL NILL (see photo). Nill grips (Nill Griffe - Aktuell) are really one if not the best wooden handgun grips available for handguns; precise fitting and extremely well made.
Please do not ask the price :-(
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Yes, that is the stock I have. It fits a standard N frame square butt with the exception that the mounting screw goes through the hole that usually has the locating pin. For my test fit on a scrap 1917 frame, I pressed the grip pin out, then used a standard grip screw to secure it. The escutcheons were standard grip type. The rubber butt pad has the S&W logo just like on one of their shotguns.

FYI, I think the S&W chemical division has been out of business for close to 30 years.
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You can register it as a short barrel rifle, then acquire your stock.
It's not illegal, you just have to be smart.
I have tried and not found any online so I found a woodworker locally to do it.
Have not gotten my tax stamp yet, but once I do I will get him to build it.
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C&R handguns are exempt from the SBR rule, if they were originally fitted for a shoulder stock. Guns like Mauser Broomhandles, the rare Webleys cut for the stock, Hi-Powers, etc. are fine.

That doesn't help with this question, just some info to further muddy the waters

I have wanted a Ruger Super Redhawk .44 Mag revolving carbine for a while now........it seems an ideal solution, if Ruger could make me a 20" barrel (might as well go longer than 16") I could have a custom shop like Pinnacle fit it........and then have a custom stockmaker fit a shoulder stock. The grip "peg" of the Super Redhawk would allow for the stock to be fitted to the gun far easier than having a S&W fitted for one.

To avoid the "burn" on your hand, you would need a two hand hold back on the grip of the stock.........there have been numerous attempts at revolving carbines and stocked revolvers, none of which were ever really successful. Colt tried a revolving rifle, Remington tried an 1858 Carbine, and all the military Colt cap and ball revolvers had an option for a shoulder stock, but I doubt many were used with these stocks.

Taurus is trying it now with that Circuit Judge thing, but I will not buy any more Taurus'.
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I think S&W should make a Mod 29/629 Carbine.
With an 18 to 20" barrel, which ever balances best.
I would want the barrel profile to look just like the factory barrel, id just extend the 10" barrel out to 18 or 20". Then put a slim round wood fore end on it.
Cut the barrel rib to take scope mounts that are for a regular scope.

The Taurus has a shroud of sorts that is supposed to protect the off hand arm.
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In the USA is is Legal to take a revolver, install a 16+inch barrel, and then install a rifle stock.
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It's not illegal, not everywhere anyway.
You just have to pay to play.
I want a project gun like that made out of my 27 and once I find a stock maker I will get my tax stamp.
Get the stamp before you buy the stock though or that is illegal.
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